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Post by Feologild Oakes on Dec 26, 2020 21:31:35 GMT
Would you be against or support the introduction of promotion and relegation in US Sports ?
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Post by bluerisk on Dec 26, 2020 21:38:50 GMT
Would you be against or support the introduction of promotion and relegation in US Sports ? They lack the pyramid system as we know it in Europe. But in general I think a league should relegate teams which have proven to be unfit to compete.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Dec 26, 2020 21:49:56 GMT
I'd be all for it in baseball. Other sports don't have the minor league infrastructure.
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Post by millar70 on Dec 26, 2020 21:52:14 GMT
I think it would be one of the best things to happen to North American sports in a long time, but I highly doubt that it would ever even be proposed as an idea, or be able to be implemented if it was accepted as a rule.
I would have no problem with seeing perpetual bottom feeders get the ultimate punishment of banishment until they got better, and that includes my beloved Chargers.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Dec 26, 2020 22:14:53 GMT
I have no problem with it in theory but it has zero chance of ever happening. Too much money involved. Imagine the Cowboys or Yankees having to play in Topeka or Bismarck. Never happen.
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Post by bluerisk on Dec 26, 2020 22:20:48 GMT
I think it would be one of the best things to happen to North American sports in a long time, but I highly doubt that it would ever even be proposed as an idea, or be able to be implemented if it was accepted as a rule. I would have no problem with seeing perpetual bottom feeders get the ultimate punishment of banishment until they got better, and that includes my beloved Chargers. Yeah. I think especially the NFL is a very exclusive club which earns that much money so that reforms like these are a no-go. There is no incentive for the owners. What me buggers is that at some point being bad is even rewarded. Like when the Jets won against the Rams and thus might have lost their first pick to the Jaguars. Maybe one should compose a group of eights (1-8, 9-16, 17-24, 25-32) and have within these groups some sort of draft lottery, and not a guaranteed picks for losing by intention and if not by intention then by no effort at all to keep the competition fair till the end. The best teams 1-8 for the worst picks, and the worst eight team the first eight best picks, but by chance to eliminate a certain bias, and for each round.
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Dec 26, 2020 23:40:54 GMT
Wouldn't this bust the entire draft system?
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Post by bluerisk on Dec 26, 2020 23:57:13 GMT
Wouldn't this bust the entire draft system? One would still have groups. And groups of eight was just a suggestion- can be smaller one too. But I think they have to address the issue, that playing badly, that losing by intention, and thus compromising the competition, should not be awarded.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 27, 2020 0:02:42 GMT
I'd be all for it in baseball. Other sports don't have the minor league infrastructure. Even baseball isn't a good example. All the teams in the English Leagues are independent operations. The Minor Leagues are not. Many are owned outright by their major league affiliate, like the Braves teams. All the rest are dependent on the majors for players. And the owners will never go for it. Get relegated in the American League and your home dates with the Yankees, Red Sox et al become home dates with the Mud Hens, Iron Pigs et al.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 27, 2020 0:03:06 GMT
I've been proposing this idea for eons I'd love to see The Yankees go over to Japan and kick the living sh*t out of them Or the Red Sox down to Cuba Cubs to Mexico, etc Send the Rangers over to Sweden to beat the holy hell out of them Send the Lakers over to China to embarrass them by 85......
USA! USA!
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Post by bluerisk on Dec 27, 2020 0:16:45 GMT
I've been proposing this idea for eons I'd love to see The Yankees go over to Japan and kick the living sh*t out of them Or the Red Sox down to Cuba Cubs to Mexico, etc Send the Rangers over to Sweden to beat the holy hell out of them Send the Lakers over to China to embarrass them by 85......
USA! USA!
Sounds more like international league or competition. US-Football teams taking part in European competitions like the Champions League. With investors and access to the Champions league it could be really like a T-Rex who has just found the ball...but FIFA wouldn't like this idea: a Trans-Atlantic competition aside the Ryder cup.
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Post by tristramshandy on Dec 27, 2020 1:05:40 GMT
If it came along with the financial structure of European soccer, absolutely not. Baseball is bad enough, but when you see smaller teams selling soccer players for ridiculous sums of money, it's even worse.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 27, 2020 2:17:34 GMT
If it came along with the financial structure of European soccer, absolutely not. Baseball is bad enough, but when you see smaller teams selling soccer players for ridiculous sums of money, it's even worse. European football has no salary cap, luxury tax or anything like that. No draft either. But it’s a different sport culture. Fans can support teams like Newcastle United or Southampton knowing that they have zero chance of winning a title. Now or the next 20 years. We can joke that teams like the Pirates or Jets haven’t a prayer but not for the foreseeable future. No chance other than a rich oil sheik buying them like Manchester City or the once in a lifetime miracle like Leicester |
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Dec 27, 2020 8:50:34 GMT
Wouldn't this bust the entire draft system? One would still have groups. And groups of eight was just a suggestion- can be smaller one too. But I think they have to address the issue, that playing badly, that losing by intention, and thus compromising the competition, should not be awarded. Sorry, was replying to the OP's suggestion in general rather than your post. i.e. If you have relegation of a bottom placed team (again hard in US sports due to the divisions set up. Maybe a reverse play offs with all the losing teams going through to the next round!) where would the top draft picks go? Do you give it to one of the bottom ranked surviving teams in the top league? Or do you give it to the bottom team in the pyramid system? Because if you do the former you are still playing with a protectionist system. That's why I think if you introduce relegation you need to abandon drafts and go with survival of the fittest... |
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Post by Aj_June on Dec 27, 2020 9:11:43 GMT
There is only one major professional league in each of the major sports so no chance of relegation as teams are too costly to set up.
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Post by weststigersbob on Dec 27, 2020 9:39:19 GMT
If it came along with the financial structure of European soccer, absolutely not. Baseball is bad enough, but when you see smaller teams selling soccer players for ridiculous sums of money, it's even worse. European football has no salary cap, luxury tax or anything like that. No draft either. But it’s a different sport culture. Fans can support teams like Newcastle United or Southampton knowing that they have zero chance of winning a title. Now or the next 20 years. We can joke that teams like the Pirates or Jets haven’t a prayer but not for the foreseeable future. No chance other than a rich oil sheik buying them like Manchester City or the once in a lifetime miracle like Leicester You’ve clearly never met a Toon fan have you ? These delusional fools believe they should be winning the EPL every single season.
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Post by bluerisk on Dec 27, 2020 12:30:43 GMT
European football has no salary cap, luxury tax or anything like that. No draft either. But it’s a different sport culture. Fans can support teams like Newcastle United or Southampton knowing that they have zero chance of winning a title. Now or the next 20 years. We can joke that teams like the Pirates or Jets haven’t a prayer but not for the foreseeable future. No chance other than a rich oil sheik buying them like Manchester City or the once in a lifetime miracle like Leicester You’ve clearly never met a Toon fan have you ? These delusional fools believe they should be winning the EPL every single season. Dallas Cowboys fans do exist. 
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Post by masterofallgoons on Dec 27, 2020 15:50:53 GMT
I think it would be one of the best things to happen to North American sports in a long time, but I highly doubt that it would ever even be proposed as an idea, or be able to be implemented if it was accepted as a rule. I would have no problem with seeing perpetual bottom feeders get the ultimate punishment of banishment until they got better, and that includes my beloved Chargers. Yeah. I think especially the NFL is a very exclusive club which earns that much money so that reforms like these are a no-go. There is no incentive for the owners. What me buggers is that at some point being bad is even rewarded. Like when the Jets won against the Rams and thus might have lost their first pick to the Jaguars. Maybe one should compose a group of eights (1-8, 9-16, 17-24, 25-32) and have within these groups some sort of draft lottery, and not a guaranteed picks for losing by intention and if not by intention then by no effort at all to keep the competition fair till the end. The best teams 1-8 for the worst picks, and the worst eight team the first eight best picks, but by chance to eliminate a certain bias, and for each round. This is idea is somewhat similar to what the NBA draft lottery already does, and that was put in place to discourage teams from tanking, as you're suggesting. So the bottom teams enter a lottery so that purposely coming in last place doesn't guarantee you the best pick. But even then there are conspiracy theorists that think the whole thing is fixed, so it doesn't solve everything. |
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Post by sdm3 on Dec 27, 2020 15:59:02 GMT
Yeah. I think especially the NFL is a very exclusive club which earns that much money so that reforms like these are a no-go. There is no incentive for the owners. What me buggers is that at some point being bad is even rewarded. Like when the Jets won against the Rams and thus might have lost their first pick to the Jaguars. Maybe one should compose a group of eights (1-8, 9-16, 17-24, 25-32) and have within these groups some sort of draft lottery, and not a guaranteed picks for losing by intention and if not by intention then by no effort at all to keep the competition fair till the end. The best teams 1-8 for the worst picks, and the worst eight team the first eight best picks, but by chance to eliminate a certain bias, and for each round. This is idea is somewhat similar to what the NBA draft lottery already does, and that was put in place to discourage teams from tanking, as you're suggesting. So the bottom teams enter a lottery so that purposely coming in last place doesn't guarantee you the best pick. But even then there are conspiracy theorists that think the whole thing is fixed, so it doesn't solve everything. Only when it benefits a big market team/a team they don’t like. |
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Post by masterofallgoons on Dec 27, 2020 16:18:02 GMT
This is idea is somewhat similar to what the NBA draft lottery already does, and that was put in place to discourage teams from tanking, as you're suggesting. So the bottom teams enter a lottery so that purposely coming in last place doesn't guarantee you the best pick. But even then there are conspiracy theorists that think the whole thing is fixed, so it doesn't solve everything. Only when it benefits a big market team/a team they don’t like. I wish they'd rig it for the big market again at some point. The Knicks haven't benefitted from this conspiracy for quite some time. |
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