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Dec 31, 2020 0:03:57 GMT
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Post by SciFive on Dec 31, 2020 0:03:57 GMT
You’ll need to become a PhD in physics to understand. No. God and physics don't mix. They do if you are smart enough to understand physics. Dr. Shroeder doesn’t prove that God exists but he shows with physics that science and God are compatible, at least in Judaism. No one has to believe him, but he makes a good case. Freedom of thought. |
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Dec 31, 2020 0:09:18 GMT
Post by BATouttaheck on Dec 31, 2020 0:09:18 GMT
No. God and physics don't mix. They do if you are smart enough to understand physics. Dr. Shroeder doesn’t prove that God exists but he shows with physics that science and God are compatible, at least in Judaism. No one has to believe him, but he makes a good case. Freedom of thought. fwiw ... no one had to believe Erich van Daniken's Chariots of the Gods ... but he made a good case ... freedom of thought.
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Dec 31, 2020 0:15:06 GMT
Post by lowtacks86 on Dec 31, 2020 0:15:06 GMT
No. God and physics don't mix. They do if you are smart enough to understand physics. Dr. Shroeder doesn’t prove that God exists but he shows with physics that science and God are compatible, at least in Judaism. No one has to believe him, but he makes a good case. Freedom of thought. "They do if you are smart enough to understand physics." There are plenty of phsycists that diagree with what Schrader has to say, by your reasoning are they "not smart enough to understand physics"? Do you see why this is a bad argument? "Dr. Shroeder doesn’t prove that God exists but he shows with physics that science and God are compatible, at least in Judaism." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motivated_reasoningen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias"No one has to believe him, but he makes a good case." Then why haven't his studies withstood peer review and published journals? You do realize it's not just big mean atheists that have criticized him, other God believers have called out his "scientific" claims. "Freedom of thought." Yes, in the same way we're free to criticize creationist pseudo-science hacks. It's not a one way street.
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Dec 31, 2020 0:21:43 GMT
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Post by SciFive on Dec 31, 2020 0:21:43 GMT
MIT Physicists can write as much about physics as they please.
Dr. Schroeder is wonderful at this.
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Dec 31, 2020 0:36:35 GMT
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Post by lowtacks86 on Dec 31, 2020 0:36:35 GMT
MIT Physicists can write as much about physics as they please. Dr. Schroeder is wonderful at this. "MIT Physicists can write as much about physics as they please. " I never said otherwise. That doesn't mean they get a safe space from criticism (which is what you're basically arguing for). "Dr. Schroeder is wonderful at this." I'm sure he's great at preaching to the choir rather than providing actual convincing, empirical based arguments.
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Dec 31, 2020 0:42:22 GMT
Post by goz on Dec 31, 2020 0:42:22 GMT
MIT Physicists can write as much about physics as they please. Dr. Schroeder is wonderful at this. If it is about physics which is proveable, then it cannot be about God, which even you have admitted is not.
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Dec 31, 2020 0:49:45 GMT
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Post by SciFive on Dec 31, 2020 0:49:45 GMT
MIT Physicists can write as much about physics as they please. Dr. Schroeder is wonderful at this. If it is about physics which is proveable, then it cannot be about God, which even you have admitted is not. Provable physics is compatible with the belief in a higher power. This is Dr. Shroeder’s point and he makes it very well in four books. Read his books to see how he does it. |
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Dec 31, 2020 0:59:33 GMT
Post by goz on Dec 31, 2020 0:59:33 GMT
If it is about physics which is proveable, then it cannot be about God, which even you have admitted is not. Provable physics is compatible with the belief in a higher power. This is Dr. Shroeder’s point and he makes it very well in four books. Read his books to see how he does it. No. it isn't You can't prove it is just like you said... God can neither be proven nor disproven. Are you taking that back? Are you making a claim ( the burden of proof then being on you) that proveable physics proves God's existence?
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Dec 31, 2020 1:04:00 GMT
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Post by SciFive on Dec 31, 2020 1:04:00 GMT
Provable physics is compatible with the belief in a higher power. This is Dr. Shroeder’s point and he makes it very well in four books. Read his books to see how he does it. He sees the two (physics and God) as compatible. He doesn’t ask anyone to believe in God. He explains his position that the two are not incompatible. He’s allowed to think this. |
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Dec 31, 2020 1:08:59 GMT
Post by goz on Dec 31, 2020 1:08:59 GMT
He sees the two (physics and God) as compatible. He doesn’t ask anyone to believe in God. He explains his position that the two are not incompatible. He’s allowed to think this. You know that is not logically possible, right? One is proveable the other is not.They are at opposite ends of a spectrum of natural and supernatural, which YOU have claimed are NOT proveable.
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Dec 31, 2020 1:13:09 GMT
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Post by SciFive on Dec 31, 2020 1:13:09 GMT
He sees the two (physics and God) as compatible. He doesn’t ask anyone to believe in God. He explains his position that the two are not incompatible. He’s allowed to think this. Dr. Shroeder makes a good case. Science and a belief in a higher power are compatible. Read his books and get back to me. I think his books are great. |
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Dec 31, 2020 1:14:55 GMT
Post by goz on Dec 31, 2020 1:14:55 GMT
Dr. Shroeder makes a good case. Science and a belief in a higher power are compatible. Read his books and get back to me. I think his books are great. How? If as YOU have said that they are incompatible due to the fact that one is proveable and one is not? Have you changed your mind?
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Dec 31, 2020 1:19:11 GMT
Post by SciFive on Dec 31, 2020 1:19:11 GMT
Dr. Shroeder makes a good case. Science and a belief in a higher power are compatible. Read his books and get back to me. I think his books are great. How? You'll have to read his books.
He makes an excellent case.
Science is essentially (in my view) a technical description of what happened in the world after it was initially created.
I have a Master of Science degree, so I'm pretty comfortable with this idea.
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Dec 31, 2020 1:21:54 GMT
Post by goz on Dec 31, 2020 1:21:54 GMT
You'll have to read his books.
He makes an excellent case.
Science is essentially (in my view) a technical description of what happened in the world after it was initially created.
I have a Master of Science degree, so I'm pretty comfortable with this idea.
Then neither of you are either logical nor true physicists if you write off Creation to a supernatural delusion and illusiary 'God'. They are irretrievably incompatible.
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Dec 31, 2020 1:25:58 GMT
Post by SciFive on Dec 31, 2020 1:25:58 GMT
You'll have to read his books.
He makes an excellent case.
Science is essentially (in my view) a technical description of what happened in the world after it was initially created.
I have a Master of Science degree, so I'm pretty comfortable with this idea. You are speaking from ignorance because you haven't read the books.
You're also speaking from hostility and intolerance.
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Dec 31, 2020 1:30:31 GMT
Post by SciFive on Dec 31, 2020 1:30:31 GMT
Imagine this...
The creator of the universe creates time, space, the laws of physics, evolution, etc.
Science is an explanation of how all this works (as much as humans can explain it so far).
If you don't like the idea, you can lump it.
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Dec 31, 2020 1:31:57 GMT
Post by goz on Dec 31, 2020 1:31:57 GMT
You are speaking from ignorance because you haven't read the books.
You're also speaking from hostility and intolerance.
Yet I am speaking from logic and what you have avowed on these board and this thread... it is a fact, that physics relies on scientific method (FFS you claim to be a qualified scientist ) and God relies on faith and issues which cannot be proven( as you have said yourself here on this very thread many times)...so it is immaterial what some Jewish dude says in however many books that preach to his choir of lack of logic and real science.
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Dec 31, 2020 1:32:37 GMT
Post by goz on Dec 31, 2020 1:32:37 GMT
Imagine this...
The creator of the universe creates time, space, the laws of physics, evolution, etc.
Science is an explanation of how all this works (as much as humans can explain it so far).
If you don't like the idea, you can lump it.
Your claim....as you so often say....PROVE IT! You have already said many times on this thread that you cannot so.......................meh!
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Dec 31, 2020 1:35:07 GMT
Post by SciFive on Dec 31, 2020 1:35:07 GMT
You are speaking from ignorance because you haven't read the books.
You're also speaking from hostility and intolerance. My Masters is in Computer Science, not Physics. 
Judaism believes in the very creator who created time, space, the laws of physics, evolution, etc.
If you don't like it, you can lump it.
No one is asking you to believe in God.
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Dec 31, 2020 1:49:07 GMT
Post by goz on Dec 31, 2020 1:49:07 GMT
My Masters is in Computer Science, not Physics.
Judaism believes in the very creator who created time, space, the laws of physics, evolution, etc.
If you don't like it, you can lump it.
No one is asking you to believe in God.
I have never doubted your qualifications . I wouldn't do that. I am sure you are competent in your field.( unlike calling' some 'too stupid to understand anything when you don't know either me nor my qualifications) I DO however verr doubt the 'facts' and the lack of evidence that you have produced on your claim that God created the universe according to you and some Jewish highly qualifie dude. We have discussed this at length on this thread and agreed that NO-ONE can prove either the existence or the non-existence of God, either as a creator or in any other way. Stop trying as it only lessens the meaning of all your previous protestations on this thread that one can't....AND YET HERE YOU ARE TRYING . What do you say to that? Yes it is a claim backed by the whole thread up until now. BTW Being Jewsish is a red herring
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