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Post by Stammerhead on Jan 15, 2021 0:11:39 GMT
I told you to fuck off after you acted like an ass. As I have said twice already I am not taking issue with you not wanting them to be included under the LGBT umbrella (LGBT works better as a title anyway but when I look at the clinical description of sociopathy from the NHS I can’t see anything that applies to asexuals (unless not having sex makes it difficult for them to have long term relationships). exploit, manipulate or violate the rights of others lack concern, regret or remorse about other people's distress behave irresponsibly and show disregard for normal social behaviour have difficulty sustaining long-term relationships be unable to control their anger lack guilt, or not learn from their mistakes blame others for problems in their lives repeatedly break the law You just dislike the thought of people not having sex and can only come up with negative/insulting reasons for them not doing so. No, I just think there is something repulsive about a person who is so narcissistic and self-centered that they find no other human being attractive. I'm not even talking about sex at this point. www.dictionary.com/browse/affectional-orientation
Seriously, think about what the term means, especially when it's called a separate orientation like homosexuality or heterosexuality. An asexual looks at a male and says "meh, that does nothing for me". An asexual looks at a female and says "meh, that does nothing for me".
So if that doesn't match clinical descriptions of sociopathy, fine. It still describes some very asocial and unhealthy behavior. I’m not going to argue but not because you’re right but there’s a brick wall over there and I think time will be better spent if I just smash my brains out. Have a nice life.
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Post by gameboy on Jan 15, 2021 0:16:49 GMT
No, I just think there is something repulsive about a person who is so narcissistic and self-centered that they find no other human being attractive. I'm not even talking about sex at this point. www.dictionary.com/browse/affectional-orientation
Seriously, think about what the term means, especially when it's called a separate orientation like homosexuality or heterosexuality. An asexual looks at a male and says "meh, that does nothing for me". An asexual looks at a female and says "meh, that does nothing for me".
So if that doesn't match clinical descriptions of sociopathy, fine. It still describes some very asocial and unhealthy behavior. I’m not going to argue but not because you’re right but there’s a brick wall over there and I think time will be better spent if I just smash my brains out. Have a nice life. No, you're not gonna argue with me because you can't shoot down my flawless logic.
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Post by Stammerhead on Jan 15, 2021 0:20:54 GMT
I’m not going to argue but not because you’re right but there’s a brick wall over there and I think time will be better spent if I just smash my brains out. Have a nice life. No, you're not gonna argue with me because you can't shoot down my flawless logic. Oh fuck. There you go again. I give the the chance to shut the fuck up and you just can’t fucking do it.
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Post by gameboy on Jan 15, 2021 1:14:36 GMT
No, you're not gonna argue with me because you can't shoot down my flawless logic. Oh fuck. There you go again. I give the the chance to shut the fuck up and you just can’t fucking do it. Wow, you've gotten quite the foul mouth lately. 
Why else do we come here but to debate these topics? You could have least drawn a witty cartoon. 
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 15, 2021 2:44:30 GMT
I told you to fuck off after you acted like an ass. As I have said twice already I am not taking issue with you not wanting them to be included under the LGBT umbrella (LGBT works better as a title anyway but when I look at the clinical description of sociopathy from the NHS I can’t see anything that applies to asexuals (unless not having sex makes it difficult for them to have long term relationships). exploit, manipulate or violate the rights of others lack concern, regret or remorse about other people's distress behave irresponsibly and show disregard for normal social behaviour have difficulty sustaining long-term relationships be unable to control their anger lack guilt, or not learn from their mistakes blame others for problems in their lives repeatedly break the law You just dislike the thought of people not having sex and can only come up with negative/insulting reasons for them not doing so. No, I just think there is something repulsive about a person who is so narcissistic and self-centered that they find no other human being attractive. I'm not even talking about sex at this point. www.dictionary.com/browse/affectional-orientation
Seriously, think about what the term means, especially when it's called a separate orientation like homosexuality or heterosexuality. An asexual looks at a male and says "meh, that does nothing for me". An asexual looks at a female and says "meh, that does nothing for me".
So if that doesn't match clinical descriptions of sociopathy, fine. It still describes some very asocial and unhealthy behavior.
I wouldn't call it repulsive, as that is a subjective psychological assessment and sounds like it is born of too much harsh judgement. However, I get the gist of what you are explaining about those that claim they are asexual, when I feel that is just a brush off for other personal issues that are going on.
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Post by gameboy on Jan 15, 2021 2:58:53 GMT
No, I just think there is something repulsive about a person who is so narcissistic and self-centered that they find no other human being attractive. I'm not even talking about sex at this point. www.dictionary.com/browse/affectional-orientation
Seriously, think about what the term means, especially when it's called a separate orientation like homosexuality or heterosexuality. An asexual looks at a male and says "meh, that does nothing for me". An asexual looks at a female and says "meh, that does nothing for me".
So if that doesn't match clinical descriptions of sociopathy, fine. It still describes some very asocial and unhealthy behavior.
I wouldn't call it repulsive, as that is a subjective psychological assessment and sounds like it is born of too much harsh judgement. However, I get the gist of what you are explaining about those that claim they are asexual, when I feel that is just a brush off for other personal issues that are going on. Well, I might not be so harsh if they didn't insist on trying to piggyback on our movement.
There's just something sick about it. And I'm not even talking about sex now. But you can't love anyone? If they can love both males and females, well then they're bisexual. But they love no one! Oh, aren't they special? Lol.
The audacity of such people. Sorry, it's anti-human bullshit which these freaks are trying to pass off as normal.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 15, 2021 3:08:46 GMT
I wouldn't call it repulsive, as that is a subjective psychological assessment and sounds like it is born of too much harsh judgement. However, I get the gist of what you are explaining about those that claim they are asexual, when I feel that is just a brush off for other personal issues that are going on. Well, I might not be so harsh if they didn't insist on trying to piggyback on our movement.
There's just something sick about it. And I'm not even talking about sex now. But you can't love anyone? If they can love both males and females, well then they're bisexual. But they love no one! Oh, aren't they special? Lol.
The audacity of such people. Sorry, it's anti-human bullshit which these freaks are trying to pass off as normal.
Everything after B is just piggybacking and is muddying the waters even more regarding a straight forward sexuality. Asexual is away from sexuality too and I’d say many who choose to identify as this, have really just given up on a partnership, it’s not that they don’t not have sexual feelings or even feelings of human attraction. What are they then? It’s a fallacy.
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Post by gameboy on Jan 15, 2021 3:19:53 GMT
Well, I might not be so harsh if they didn't insist on trying to piggyback on our movement.
There's just something sick about it. And I'm not even talking about sex now. But you can't love anyone? If they can love both males and females, well then they're bisexual. But they love no one! Oh, aren't they special? Lol.
The audacity of such people. Sorry, it's anti-human bullshit which these freaks are trying to pass off as normal.
Everything after B is just piggybacking and is muddying the waters even more regarding a straight forward sexuality. Asexual is away from sexuality too and I’d say many who choose to identify as this, have really just given up on a partnership, it’s not that they don’t not have sexual feelings or even feelings of human attraction. What are they then? It’s a fallacy. I can accept the 'T' because transgender have historically aligned with gay people. I mean, we're the ones who like drag shows. So they need a place to go and we might as well carry them as we have for thousands of years in one way or another.
But my understanding of asexual is that they have a normal sex drive but just aren't attracted to anybody. So I agree with you. It's a fallacy. Or maybe there's some alien race out there that they'll find attractive but haven't met them yet. It sounds to me like narcissism in the extreme.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 15, 2021 3:22:51 GMT
Everything after B is just piggybacking and is muddying the waters even more regarding a straight forward sexuality. Asexual is away from sexuality too and I’d say many who choose to identify as this, have really just given up on a partnership, it’s not that they don’t not have sexual feelings or even feelings of human attraction. What are they then? It’s a fallacy. I can accept the 'T' because transgender have historically aligned with gay people. I mean, we're the ones who like drag shows. So they need a place to go and we might as well carry them as we have for thousands of years in one way or another.
But my understanding of asexual is that they have a normal sex drive but just aren't attracted to anybody. So I agree with you. It's a fallacy. Or maybe there's some alien race out there that they'll find attractive but haven't met them yet. It sounds to me like narcissism in the extreme. I believe T is what has started to create the confusion over sexuality. Theirs’ is born out of confusion of gender which is not embracing the physical aspect of sameness. If anything, it is more steeped in narcissism than A.
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Post by gameboy on Jan 15, 2021 4:58:15 GMT
I can accept the 'T' because transgender have historically aligned with gay people. I mean, we're the ones who like drag shows. So they need a place to go and we might as well carry them as we have for thousands of years in one way or another.
But my understanding of asexual is that they have a normal sex drive but just aren't attracted to anybody. So I agree with you. It's a fallacy. Or maybe there's some alien race out there that they'll find attractive but haven't met them yet. It sounds to me like narcissism in the extreme. I believe T is what has started to create the confusion over sexuality. Theirs’ is born out of confusion of gender which is not embracing the physical aspect of sameness. If anything, it is more steeped in narcissism than A. Yes, la 'T' is completely different I agree. We fags love our biological gender. Transgender want to escape it. But you have to admit, gay people have always let transgender fools hangout with us. So there is a historical association.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 15, 2021 7:27:35 GMT
I believe T is what has started to create the confusion over sexuality. Theirs’ is born out of confusion of gender which is not embracing the physical aspect of sameness. If anything, it is more steeped in narcissism than A. Yes, la 'T' is completely different I agree. We fags love our biological gender. Transgender want to escape it. But you have to admit, gay people have always let transgender fools hangout with us. So there is a historical association. I haven't!
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Post by gameboy on Jan 15, 2021 7:44:07 GMT
Yes, la 'T' is completely different I agree. We fags love our biological gender. Transgender want to escape it. But you have to admit, gay people have always let transgender fools hangout with us. So there is a historical association. I haven't! The community has. Almost every gay bar I've been to has had at least one guy in drag. Of course leather bars don't. But it's common in your average gay bar.
And though there is a difference between drag queens and transgender, drag shows are popular in the gay community. So we are more tolerant of cross dressing.
Look at all these gay fools who like RuPaul. I think he should be shot. But he's accepted by most gays.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 15, 2021 9:04:49 GMT
The community has. Almost every gay bar I've been to has had at least one guy in drag. Of course leather bars don't. But it's common in your average gay bar.
And though there is a difference between drag queens and transgender, drag shows are popular in the gay community. So we are more tolerant of cross dressing.
Look at all these gay fools who like RuPaul. I think he should be shot. But he's accepted by most gays.
Drag Queens are predominantly feminine gay guys who don’t have a gender identity disorder. The line blurs and yes, drag Queens are popular in gay hang outs, but is that really the gay community? Straights are dense enough as it is and get the wrong impression of the limp-wristed and effeminate gay. Even you boast about your sense of masculinity.
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Post by gameboy on Jan 15, 2021 16:27:24 GMT
The community has. Almost every gay bar I've been to has had at least one guy in drag. Of course leather bars don't. But it's common in your average gay bar.
And though there is a difference between drag queens and transgender, drag shows are popular in the gay community. So we are more tolerant of cross dressing.
Look at all these gay fools who like RuPaul. I think he should be shot. But he's accepted by most gays.
Drag Queens are predominantly feminine gay guys who don’t have a gender identity disorder. The line blurs and yes, drag Queens are popular in gay hang outs, but is that really the gay community? Straights are dense enough as it is and get the wrong impression of the limp-wristed and effeminate gay. Even you boast about your sense of masculinity. I don't have just a "sense" of masculinity. I'm butch.  Butch is a tradition in the gay community. Toasty, have you ever been in a Turkish prison?
Yes, I know, the lowly breeder loves to stereotype us. And gender bending creeps like RuPaul only reinforce that.
I guess we need to stop caring what teh straights think. Transfolk have no other place to go. So we're sorta saddled with them.
But please get those 'A' freaks away from me!!! 
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 16, 2021 0:18:43 GMT
Drag Queens are predominantly feminine gay guys who don’t have a gender identity disorder. The line blurs and yes, drag Queens are popular in gay hang outs, but is that really the gay community? Straights are dense enough as it is and get the wrong impression of the limp-wristed and effeminate gay. Even you boast about your sense of masculinity. I don't have just a "sense" of masculinity. I'm butch. Butch is a tradition in the gay community. Toasty, have you ever been in a Turkish prison?
Yes, I know, the lowly breeder loves to stereotype us. And gender bending creeps like RuPaul only reinforce that.
I guess we need to stop caring what teh straights think. Transfolk have no other place to go. So we're sorta saddled with them.
But please get those 'A' freaks away from me!!! So you are a butch lesbian now, as well as a homosuperior....  The straights are the ones that constantly need educating, especially when they go into denial about the consequences of their breeding when they don't like what they are given. The Trans movement is attempting to gain a larger voice, but it is still only being regarded in many rational circles as what it is, a disorder of the mind, especially when we are now told that gender is just a construct and yet at the same time, gender is nothing but an obsession with them as they evolve their lives around it wanting to change it and be the opposite to what their physical biology dictates. This is not in step with what the homosexual movement was/is about. Time for anything outside of the pure sexuality sphere to step out and promote their own agendas.
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Post by TutuAnimationPrincess on Jan 16, 2021 1:15:24 GMT
This topic has become quite amusing. If nothing else, it proves there’s no such thing as the “LGBT+ community”. The idea that everyone who potentially falls under that umbrella think the same or are even remotely similar has always been laughable. I allow myself to be called a lesbian for convenience, but I’ve always been my own individual self not identified by any group.
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Post by gameboy on Jan 16, 2021 2:18:04 GMT
I don't have just a "sense" of masculinity. I'm butch. Butch is a tradition in the gay community. Toasty, have you ever been in a Turkish prison?
Yes, I know, the lowly breeder loves to stereotype us. And gender bending creeps like RuPaul only reinforce that.
I guess we need to stop caring what teh straights think. Transfolk have no other place to go. So we're sorta saddled with them.
But please get those 'A' freaks away from me!!! So you are a butch lesbian now, as well as a homosuperior.... The straights are the ones that constantly need educating, especially when they go into denial about the consequences of their breeding when they don't like what they are given. The Trans movement is attempting to gain a larger voice, but it is still only being regarded in many rational circles as what it is, a disorder of the mind, especially when we are now told that gender is just a construct and yet at the same time, gender is nothing but an obsession with them as they evolve their lives around it wanting to change it and be the opposite to what their physical biology dictates. This is not in step with what the homosexual movement was/is about. Time for anything outside of the pure sexuality sphere to step out and promote their own agendas. "I want you! I need you! Anyone out there? Any time?" Tres butch little number whines "Hey dirty, I want you
When it's good, it's really good, and when it's bad I go to pieces" - Bowie Candidate
The LGBT establishment, the same idiots who are trying to saddle us with marriage, are using transgender as an assault on queer children who are getting their balls cut off before they're old enough to even have sex. So I understand your point.
Can you tell me why gay males are obsessed with drag shows though?
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 16, 2021 2:36:48 GMT
So you are a butch lesbian now, as well as a homosuperior.... The straights are the ones that constantly need educating, especially when they go into denial about the consequences of their breeding when they don't like what they are given. The Trans movement is attempting to gain a larger voice, but it is still only being regarded in many rational circles as what it is, a disorder of the mind, especially when we are now told that gender is just a construct and yet at the same time, gender is nothing but an obsession with them as they evolve their lives around it wanting to change it and be the opposite to what their physical biology dictates. This is not in step with what the homosexual movement was/is about. Time for anything outside of the pure sexuality sphere to step out and promote their own agendas. "I want you! I need you! Anyone out there? Any time?" Tres butch little number whines "Hey dirty, I want you
When it's good, it's really good, and when it's bad I go to pieces" - Bowie Candidate
The LGBT establishment, the same idiots who are trying to saddle us with marriage, are using transgender as an assault on queer children who are getting their balls cut off before they're old enough to even have sex. So I understand your point.
Can you tell me why gay males are obsessed with drag shows though? Children are still developing and I feel it is important to allow children freedom of expression away from cultural norms and impositions of gender constructs, yet they are also easily impressionable and when so-called professional psychologists and psychiatrists are supposed to have their best interests at heart, and then diagnose them as having gender dysphoria and green light surgery to change them into something that is irreversible, is sick and debased beyond words. I never really got into the drag entertainment thing myself. It is just about caricature and parody of image of femininity, especially when related to superstardom. It might be amusing, but it is also mocking and derisive at the same time even though I may laugh at it too. I am not really laughing with it though, if that makes sense. I do however love To Wong Foo, Thanks For Everything Julie Newmar - 95'. Priscilla: Queen Of The Desert - 94' I can take or leave. I would rather just watch a hot male stripper revelling in his own maleness and sharing it with the rest.
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Post by gameboy on Jan 17, 2021 5:15:29 GMT
"I want you! I need you! Anyone out there? Any time?" Tres butch little number whines "Hey dirty, I want you
When it's good, it's really good, and when it's bad I go to pieces" - Bowie Candidate
The LGBT establishment, the same idiots who are trying to saddle us with marriage, are using transgender as an assault on queer children who are getting their balls cut off before they're old enough to even have sex. So I understand your point.
Can you tell me why gay males are obsessed with drag shows though? Children are still developing and I feel it is important to allow children freedom of expression away from cultural norms and impositions of gender constructs, yet they are also easily impressionable and when so-called professional psychologists and psychiatrists are supposed to have their best interests at heart, and then diagnose them as having gender dysphoria and green light surgery to change them into something that is irreversible, is sick and debased beyond words. I never really got into the drag entertainment thing myself. It is just about caricature and parody of image of femininity, especially when related to superstardom. It might be amusing, but it is also mocking and derisive at the same time even though I may laugh at it too. I am not really laughing with it though, if that makes sense. I do however love To Wong Foo, Thanks For Everything Julie Newmar - 95'. Priscilla: Queen Of The Desert - 94' I can take or leave. I would rather just watch a hot male stripper revelling in his own maleness and sharing it with the rest. I agree with your position on transgender. The decision to convert can only be made when the individual is an adult. And parents and doctors and even the child himself cannot make such a decision until the individual has reached adulthood. I'm also on record as opposing genital mutilation as part of a sex change operation. If gender is truly a social construct, then why are genitals being mutilated to conform to a social construct?
But transgender folks have always been part of the gay community. So I see no problem including them under the rainbow umbrella. We have to remember that in the legendary Stonewall Riots which are generally accepted as the beginning of the current gay liberation movement, it was the drag queens* who led the resistance against the police. *And at the time they were called "drag queens". But many drag queens were transgender.
I loved Priscilla: Queen Of The Desert!!! I surprised you didn't being from that part of the world. I also liked To Wong Foo but thought Priscilla was better.
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Post by quagsjonny on Jan 17, 2021 6:30:15 GMT
Can we all agree Bruce Jenner getting breast implants, adams's apple shaved, penis intact, not gay, loves women and votes Republican.
Time Woman of the year. I love people, but that opens the crazy. I stop at lgb, no T or alphabet. Call a help line.
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Butch is a tradition in the gay community. 
