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Post by SciFive on Jan 5, 2021 18:25:51 GMT
Of course. And I may. But eventually it just seems to be a waste of time. Because I can't convey an understanding to someone who is either refusing to understand. Or incapable of understanding. The only argument you've offered for believing in God is "it makes me happy" and "you can't prove God doesn't exist." I just offered you a string of possible beliefs offered for the same reasons. If you don't think any of those arguments are rational then you have two options: 1. Admit your belief is also irrational. 2. Argue why a belief in God is unlike those other beliefs. That's how logic works. It's not that I don't understand what you're conveying, it's that you don't understand that what you're conveying is irrational. Look, dude, you're talking to someone who's spent a significant amount of time studying logic and rationality. Do you really think I'm struggling to understand your points as opposed to you not understanding what counts as rational/irrational arguments? Think about that for a moment... THOUGHTS!!!!!!!!!!!!! No one is trying to get you to believe in a higher power. His personal thoughts are none of your business. |
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 5, 2021 18:26:22 GMT
Now we're back to non sequiturs again. It's like a bot that's malfunctioning. You’re stuck in the human race unless you are a robot. Many billions of people believe in a higher power. There’s nothing you can do about it except flail. Yeah, it's not like anyone ever changed anyone's mind before. That never happens.
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Post by movieliker on Jan 5, 2021 18:26:29 GMT
Of course. And I may. But eventually it just seems to be a waste of time. Because I can't convey an understanding to someone who is either refusing to understand. Or incapable of understanding. The only argument you've offered for believing in God is "it makes me happy" and "you can't prove God doesn't exist." I just offered you a string of possible beliefs offered for the same reasons. If you don't think any of those arguments are rational then you have two options: 1. Admit your belief is also irrational. 2. Argue why a belief in God is unlike those other beliefs. That's how logic works. It's not that I don't understand what you're conveying, it's that you don't understand that what you're conveying is irrational. Look, dude, you're talking to someone who's spent a significant amount of time studying logic and rationality. Do you really think I'm struggling to understand your points as opposed to you not understanding what counts as rational/irrational arguments? Think about that for a moment... As I said before, faith is not a complicated or difficult concept to understand. You seem intelligent. So why are you being so stubborn? More importantly, why do you care? If you don't want to believe, belong to any religion, or have faith --- who is saying you have to? I'm not. I don't think SciFive is. If you don't have faith --- don't. Why do you care what SciFive and I do? |
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Post by SciFive on Jan 5, 2021 18:27:24 GMT
The only argument you've offered for believing in God is "it makes me happy" and "you can't prove God doesn't exist." I just offered you a string of possible beliefs offered for the same reasons. If you don't think any of those arguments are rational then you have two options: 1. Admit your belief is also irrational. 2. Argue why a belief in God is unlike those other beliefs.
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Virtual mind-assault.
This is how the cancel culture works.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jan 5, 2021 18:27:44 GMT
God belief therefore has the powerful combination of meaning a lot to the believer and having few negative consequences if it turns out to be false. ————- Pascal’s wager.  Pascal's Wager might actually be the worst argument for God. It presents a false dichotomy (your option is to either believe in God or not) when it actually you have an endless plethora of Gods to choose from (God of the Bible, Hindu Gods, deist god, Thor). Most people who use this argument coincindently believe in the God they happened to be raised with rather than any real critical analysis.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 5, 2021 18:28:14 GMT
The only argument you've offered for believing in God is "it makes me happy" and "you can't prove God doesn't exist." I just offered you a string of possible beliefs offered for the same reasons. If you don't think any of those arguments are rational then you have two options: 1. Admit your belief is also irrational. 2. Argue why a belief in God is unlike those other beliefs. That's how logic works. It's not that I don't understand what you're conveying, it's that you don't understand that what you're conveying is irrational. Look, dude, you're talking to someone who's spent a significant amount of time studying logic and rationality. Do you really think I'm struggling to understand your points as opposed to you not understanding what counts as rational/irrational arguments? Think about that for a moment... His personal thoughts are none of your business. OK, then my thoughts about his thoughts are none of your business.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jan 5, 2021 18:29:19 GMT
Did you know the original "emo" scene actually sounded way different than what the genre was later known for? Here's Rites of Spring, often considered the first emo band, they sound nothing like My Chemical Romance: Yeah, I know Emo actually had its origins in the hardcore/post-hardcore scene, but bands like My Chemical Romance helped popularize it (alongside the fashion movement) so that's what most people associate with the genre. FWIW, I'm generally not a fan of punk or genres derived from punk, including hardcore and emo. There are some exceptions, though. I'm not the biggest punk fan either, I'm more into the music it helped influence though (post punk, new wave, alternative rock)
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 5, 2021 18:30:25 GMT
The only argument you've offered for believing in God is "it makes me happy" and "you can't prove God doesn't exist." I just offered you a string of possible beliefs offered for the same reasons. If you don't think any of those arguments are rational then you have two options: 1. Admit your belief is also irrational. 2. Argue why a belief in God is unlike those other beliefs. That's how logic works. It's not that I don't understand what you're conveying, it's that you don't understand that what you're conveying is irrational. Look, dude, you're talking to someone who's spent a significant amount of time studying logic and rationality. Do you really think I'm struggling to understand your points as opposed to you not understanding what counts as rational/irrational arguments? Think about that for a moment... As I said before, faith is not a complicated or difficult concept to understand. You seem intelligent. So why are you being so stubborn? More importantly, why do you care? If you don't want to believe, belong to any religion, or have faith --- who is saying you have to? I'm not. I don't think Scifive is. If you don't have faith --- don't. Why do you care what Scifive and I do? I understand faith. I also believe faith is irrational. The notion that faith is/isn't irrational is what this entire discussion is about. Like I keep saying to SciFive, this is a forum for discussing the the subject of religion. Do you ask people on the politics board why they care about politics? Why is this any different? The rest of your post is irrelevant to the discussion. I never claimed anyone is trying to make me believe.
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Post by SciFive on Jan 5, 2021 18:31:00 GMT
You’re stuck in the human race unless you are a robot. Many billions of people believe in a higher power. There’s nothing you can do about it except flail. Yeah, it's not like anyone ever changed anyone's mind before. That never happens. If you drag one person away from their belief in a higher power, you only have BILLIONS LEFT TO GO. I keep avoiding calling all this a virtual mind-rape of believers for daring to believe, but you are aggressive about other people’s personal thoughts. I see nothing rational about attacking billions of people for what they think. Is this really your life? |
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jan 5, 2021 18:31:48 GMT
His personal thoughts are none of your business. That was, presumably, not what he thought when he willingly shared them here.
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Post by SciFive on Jan 5, 2021 18:32:02 GMT
His personal thoughts are none of your business. OK, then my thoughts about his thoughts are none of your business. They are my business while you smear people openly for their personal thoughts. |
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 5, 2021 18:32:03 GMT
Yeah, I know Emo actually had its origins in the hardcore/post-hardcore scene, but bands like My Chemical Romance helped popularize it (alongside the fashion movement) so that's what most people associate with the genre. FWIW, I'm generally not a fan of punk or genres derived from punk, including hardcore and emo. There are some exceptions, though. I'm not the biggest punk fan either, I'm more into the music it helped influence though (post punk, new wave, alternative rock) Ditto. I do love a lot of post-punk, though that's such a diverse genre with a lot of bands that sound almost nothing like the original punk bands. I've also recently gotten into a lot of the more proggy/poppy post-hardcore bands like Dance Gavin Dance. Weird hearing technical guitar/drum work alongside sing-a-long pop choruses and then hardcore screams, but I dig it.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 5, 2021 18:32:37 GMT
Good name for a metal album.
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Post by SciFive on Jan 5, 2021 18:35:20 GMT
Good name for a metal album. You should use it!! Give yourself something constructive to do with your lives. |
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 5, 2021 18:36:17 GMT
Yeah, it's not like anyone ever changed anyone's mind before. That never happens. If you drag one person away from their belief in a higher power, you only have BILLIONS LEFT TO GO. I keep avoiding calling all this a virtual mind-rape of believers for daring to believe, but you are aggressive about other people’s personal thoughts. I see nothing rational about attacking billions of people for what they think. Is this really your life? I have no practical hope of changing everyone's minds, but there's millions of atheists out there discussing this issue now influencing millions of people, which might be why religious belief is on the decline most everywhere in the Western world. I'm but one tiny, humble part of the effort. Is this really my life? Nope. If you look at my post history you'll see I've been gone from this forum for a long time until the past week-or-so. I also have literally 1/11 of your posts, so this is another case of pot/kettle.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 5, 2021 18:37:42 GMT
OK, then my thoughts about his thoughts are none of your business. They are my business while you smear people openly for their personal thoughts. Then his thoughts are my business while he openly shares them on a discussion forum. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jan 5, 2021 18:37:45 GMT
If you drag one person away from their belief in a higher power, you only have BILLIONS LEFT TO GO. I keep avoiding calling all this a virtual mind-rape of believers for daring to believe, but you are aggressive about other people’s personal thoughts. I see nothing rational about attacking billions of people for what they think. Is this really your life? I have no practical hope of changing everyone's minds, but there's millions of atheists out there discussing this issue now influencing millions of people, which might be why religious belief is on the decline most everywhere in the Western world. I'm but one tiny, humble part of the effort. Is this really my life? Nope. If you look at my post history you'll see I've been gone from this forum for a long time until the past week-or-so. I also have literally 1/11 of your posts, so this is another case of pot/kettle. Do you like Deftones? Maynard guest appeared on this song, I quite like it:
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jan 5, 2021 18:38:20 GMT
OK, then my thoughts about his thoughts are none of your business. They are my business while you smear people openly for their personal thoughts. You mean llke calling them 'arseholes'? And why is it your business and not anyone elses'?
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 5, 2021 18:38:30 GMT
Good name for a metal album. You should use it!! Give yourself something constructive to do with your lives. I'd wager I've done more with my life than you with your 55,000 posts.
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Post by SciFive on Jan 5, 2021 18:38:52 GMT
They are my business while you smear people openly for their personal thoughts. Then his thoughts are my business while he openly shares them on a discussion forum. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You are whining that he’s not sharing his thoughts enough to SUIT YOU. |
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