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Post by movieliker on Jan 5, 2021 18:39:26 GMT
As I said before, faith is not a complicated or difficult concept to understand. You seem intelligent. So why are you being so stubborn? More importantly, why do you care? If you don't want to believe, belong to any religion, or have faith --- who is saying you have to? I'm not. I don't think Scifive is. If you don't have faith --- don't. Why do you care what Scifive and I do? I understand faith. I also believe faith is irrational. The notion that faith is/isn't irrational is what this entire discussion is about. Like I keep saying to SciFive, this is a forum for discussing the the subject of religion. Do you ask people on the politics board why they care about politics? Why is this any different? The rest of your post is irrelevant to the discussion. I never claimed anyone is trying to make me believe. You and I have gone round and round. I don't think we have accomplished anything. And I feel more pages of us going round and round is not going to accomplish anything either. You are smart enough to figure it out for yourself. I don't think I can help you. |
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Post by SciFive on Jan 5, 2021 18:40:23 GMT
You should use it!! Give yourself something constructive to do with your lives. I'd wager I've done more with my life than you with your 55,000 posts. I’d take that bet if message boards weren’t anonymous. You are obsessed with billions of other people’s thoughts. That’s irrational. |
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 5, 2021 18:42:12 GMT
I have no practical hope of changing everyone's minds, but there's millions of atheists out there discussing this issue now influencing millions of people, which might be why religious belief is on the decline most everywhere in the Western world. I'm but one tiny, humble part of the effort. Is this really my life? Nope. If you look at my post history you'll see I've been gone from this forum for a long time until the past week-or-so. I also have literally 1/11 of your posts, so this is another case of pot/kettle. Do you like Deftones? Maynard guest appeared on this song, I quite like it: Deftones are OK. They're one of those bands whose discography I went through once and enjoyed for the most part (more "like" than "love") but haven't really felt like revisiting since. Many people whose tastes I respect love them to death, so maybe I should give them another chance. My initial disinterest might've been because it's hard for me to hear past many of the nu-metal cliches.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jan 5, 2021 18:42:42 GMT
I'd wager I've done more with my life than you with your 55,000 posts. I’d take that bet if message boards weren’t anonymous. You are obsessed with billions of other people’s thoughts. That’s irrational. Maybe not "billions" but there are millions of people that deny global warming in this country and vote and help shape public policy which is rather alarming. Do you consider that concern to be "irrational"?
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 5, 2021 18:44:26 GMT
Then his thoughts are my business while he openly shares them on a discussion forum. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You are whining that he’s not sharing his thoughts enough to SUIT YOU. No, I'm saying that the thoughts he is sharing are irrational bases for belief. It's not my fault that neither you nor him understand basic logical fallacies. If you guys just want to admit that your belief is irrational, then we can leave it there. However, if you're going to insist that your belief is rational then I'll continue to request some evidence or rationality that's not blatantly fallacious.
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Post by The Lost One on Jan 5, 2021 18:45:40 GMT
God belief therefore has the powerful combination of meaning a lot to the believer and having few negative consequences if it turns out to be false. ————- Pascal’s wager.  Pascal's Wager might actually be the worst argument for God. It presents a false dichotomy (your option is to either believe in God or not) when it actually you have an endless plethora of Gods to choose from (God of the Bible, Hindu Gods, deist god, Thor). Most people who use this argument coincindently believe in the God they happened to be raised with rather than any real critical analysis. True, though Pascal argued that investigating various religions would leave one in no doubt that Christianity is superior to other conceptions of God. Though he would say that wouldn't he |
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jan 5, 2021 18:45:44 GMT
Do you like Deftones? Maynard guest appeared on this song, I quite like it: Deftones are OK. They're one of those bands whose discography I went through once and enjoyed for the most part (more "like" than "love") but haven't really felt like revisiting since. Many people whose tastes I respect love them to death, so maybe I should give them another chance. My initial disinterest might've been because it's hard for me to hear past many of the nu-metal cliches. I know they get lumped in the "nu metal" genre, but I always thought of them more as alternative metal (which admitignly is where nu metal derived from). This guy does a pretty good video about if you're interested:
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 5, 2021 18:46:11 GMT
I understand faith. I also believe faith is irrational. The notion that faith is/isn't irrational is what this entire discussion is about. Like I keep saying to SciFive, this is a forum for discussing the the subject of religion. Do you ask people on the politics board why they care about politics? Why is this any different? The rest of your post is irrelevant to the discussion. I never claimed anyone is trying to make me believe. You and I have gone round and round. I don't think we have accomplished anything. And I feel more pages of us going round and round is not going to accomplish anything either. You are smart enough to figure it out for yourself. I don't think I can help you. Yes, we've gone round and round with you refusing to offer any rational reasons to believe while objecting to my calling your belief irrational. Maybe you'd benefit from taking some time to actually study proper reasoning by, eg, taking a logic 101 course.
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Post by SciFive on Jan 5, 2021 18:46:15 GMT
No, I'm saying that the thoughts he is sharing are irrational bases for belief. It's not my fault that neither you nor him understand basic logical fallacies.
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You will never be able to prove that believers are wrong.
You are irrational for pretending that you’ve already done this.
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Post by The Lost One on Jan 5, 2021 18:47:02 GMT
Surely though there are long-established human practices that you think it is acceptable to criticise, no? Slavery for instance. I'm not saying religion is as bad as slavery of course, but if the latter's long history doesn't protect it from criticism (nor should it), why should the same not be true of religion? The smearing of billions and billions of people for their THOUGHTS is worth criticizing RIGHT NOW!!!! Disagreeing with someone isn't smearing them. |
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 5, 2021 18:47:20 GMT
I'd wager I've done more with my life than you with your 55,000 posts. You are obsessed with billions of other people’s thoughts. That’s irrational. How is it irrational to be concerned about people's thoughts that influence how they vote and act in society?
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 5, 2021 18:48:09 GMT
Deftones are OK. They're one of those bands whose discography I went through once and enjoyed for the most part (more "like" than "love") but haven't really felt like revisiting since. Many people whose tastes I respect love them to death, so maybe I should give them another chance. My initial disinterest might've been because it's hard for me to hear past many of the nu-metal cliches. I know they get lumped in the "nu metal" genre, but I always thought of them more as alternative metal (which admitignly is where nu metal derived from). This guy does a pretty good video about if you're interested: I'll add it to my "Watch Later" list. 
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Post by SciFive on Jan 5, 2021 18:48:41 GMT
You are obsessed with billions of other people’s thoughts. That’s irrational. How is it irrational to be concerned about people's thoughts that influence how they vote and act in society? You are an arsehole that pushes people away. People believe in a higher power and tell people like you to buzz off. |
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 5, 2021 18:49:37 GMT
No, I'm saying that the thoughts he is sharing are irrational bases for belief. It's not my fault that neither you nor him understand basic logical fallacies. —————- You will never be able to prove that believers are wrong. I'm not interested in proving an unfalsifiable belief wrong, I'm interested in proving that belief in such a thing is irrational. Thanks for all your help in that endeavor!
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 5, 2021 18:50:06 GMT
How is it irrational to be concerned about people's thoughts that influence how they vote and act in society? You are an arsehole that pushes people away. People believe in a higher power and tell people like you to buzz off. And you're a moron that can't answer a simple, direct question.
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Post by SciFive on Jan 5, 2021 18:50:31 GMT
No, I'm saying that the thoughts he is sharing are irrational bases for belief. It's not my fault that neither you nor him understand basic logical fallacies. —————- You will never be able to prove that believers are wrong. I'm not interested in proving an unfalsifiable belief wrong, I'm interested in proving that belief in such a thing is irrational. Thanks for all your help in that endeavor! Believers tell people like you to buzz off. Thanks for showing why. |
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Post by SciFive on Jan 5, 2021 18:50:56 GMT
You are an arsehole that pushes people away. People believe in a higher power and tell people like you to buzz off. And you're a moron that can't answer a simple, direct question. You never stop lying. |
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Post by SciFive on Jan 5, 2021 18:52:12 GMT
“Stop believing in God or I will call you irrational.”
“GFY.”
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 5, 2021 18:52:36 GMT
I'm not interested in proving an unfalsifiable belief wrong, I'm interested in proving that belief in such a thing is irrational. Thanks for all your help in that endeavor! Believers tell people like you to buzz off. Thanks for showing why. No, thank YOU for showing why believers are irrational. You are immensely valuable to the atheist cause.
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Post by SciFive on Jan 5, 2021 18:52:49 GMT
Live and let live.
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