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Post by SciFive on Jan 5, 2021 19:14:32 GMT
You passionately attack billions of people for their private thoughts. This is irrational behavior.How so? It’s slander on one of the highest levels possible. Why would any rational person do this? |
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Post by SciFive on Jan 5, 2021 19:15:58 GMT
Cancel culture. One of the most dangerous things happening now. You guys are the danger. So you want the views of 'guys like us' 'cancelled'? You guys are the cancel culture. One of the sickest things that has developed in recent history. The cancel culture is banning books. |
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jan 5, 2021 19:17:25 GMT
So you want the views of 'guys like us' 'cancelled'? You guys are the cancel culture. One of the sickest things that has developed in recent history. The cancel culture is banning books. What books are being banned?
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 5, 2021 19:17:28 GMT
Yes, we've gone round and round with you refusing to offer any rational reasons to believe while objecting to my calling your belief irrational. Maybe you'd benefit from taking some time to actually study proper reasoning by, eg, taking a logic 101 course. No. I've given you rational reasons. You just don't want to accept them. "I believe because it makes me happy" is blatantly irrational; it's known as the WISHFUL THINKING FALLACY. "You can't prove it wrong" is also blatantly fallacious; it's known as the ARGUMENT FROM IGNORANCE FALLACY.So both of the arguments you've offered are fallacious, thus irrational. So the claim you've offered rational reasons is also blatantly false. Got anything else? Again, I'm sorry you don't know how reason and logic works, but it's not my fault that you don't and I'm having to point these basic things out to you.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jan 5, 2021 19:18:47 GMT
So you want the views of 'guys like us' 'cancelled'? You guys are the cancel culture. One of the sickest things that has developed in recent history. The cancel culture is banning books. Incidentally, 'cancel culture' is the popular practice of withdrawing support for something or somebody (cancelling). But in my case at least, I have never supported the claims of organised religion although I fully agree the right to hold them. So you are misapplying the term.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 5, 2021 19:22:47 GMT
It’s slander on one of the highest levels possible. Why would any rational person do this? First, it's not slander. Slander is an untrue statement written to harm someone's reputation. What I said is neither untrue nor harmful to anyone's reputation. Second, even if it was slander that doesn't make it irrational. I asked you how it was irrational. Since you asked me a question I'll answer: it has nothing to do with rationality. Rationality is about the reasoning one uses to form beliefs about reality, facts about how things are. What people value is not a question of reality or facts, but how people feel. How people feel can not be rational in the absolute, without reference to some goal or desire, and goals and desires themselves are not rational or irrational. If someone wants to devote their lives to attacking the beliefs of others, you might could argue that's morally wrong, a waste of time, or whatever else, but it makes no sense to call it irrational because you don't know the person's goals/desires and have no right to dictate what they are or should be.
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Post by SciFive on Jan 5, 2021 19:23:04 GMT
No. I've given you rational reasons. You just don't want to accept them. "I believe because it makes me happy" is blatantly irrational; it's known as the WISHFUL THINKING FALLACY. "You can't prove it wrong" is also blatantly fallacious; it's known as the ARGUMENT FROM IGNORANCE FALLACY.So both of the arguments you've offered are fallacious, thus irrational. So the claim you've offered rational reasons is also blatantly false. Got anything else? Again, I'm sorry you don't know how reason and logic works, but it's not my fault that you don't and I'm having to point these basic things out to you. Being a smug lying arsehole is the core of the anti-religion religion. |
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 5, 2021 19:24:51 GMT
"I believe because it makes me happy" is blatantly irrational; it's known as the WISHFUL THINKING FALLACY. "You can't prove it wrong" is also blatantly fallacious; it's known as the ARGUMENT FROM IGNORANCE FALLACY.So both of the arguments you've offered are fallacious, thus irrational. So the claim you've offered rational reasons is also blatantly false. Got anything else? Again, I'm sorry you don't know how reason and logic works, but it's not my fault that you don't and I'm having to point these basic things out to you. Being a smug lying arsehole is the core of the anti-religion religion. Apparently making claims without evidence is the core of the pro-religion religion.
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Post by SciFive on Jan 5, 2021 19:24:55 GMT
Rationality is about the reasoning one uses to form beliefs about reality, facts about how things are.
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This leaves you out.
No one knows the reality in this matter.
You’re attacking people irrationally.
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Post by movieliker on Jan 5, 2021 19:25:10 GMT
No. I've given you rational reasons. You just don't want to accept them. "I believe because it makes me happy" is blatantly irrational; it's known as the WISHFUL THINKING FALLACY. "You can't prove it wrong" is also blatantly fallacious; it's known as the ARGUMENT FROM IGNORANCE FALLACY.So both of the arguments you've offered are fallacious, thus irrational. So the claim you've offered rational reasons is also blatantly false. Got anything else? Again, I'm sorry you don't know how reason and logic works, but it's not my fault that you don't and I'm having to point these basic things out to you. No Eva. I believe the number one goal in life for human beings is; "The maximum attainment of happiness and pleasure. And the maximum avoidance of unhappiness and displeasure. In the long and short term." Being religious makes me happy. It has no bad side effects like drug, alcohol, gambling or sex addiction. If happiness is one's goal, and being religious makes one happy, it is completely rational to be happy. I'm not religious in order to convince Eva Yojimbo of the presence of God. I'm not religious because I know God exists. Being religious accomplishes my personal goal. That is entirely rational. |
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Post by SciFive on Jan 5, 2021 19:26:04 GMT
Being a smug lying arsehole is the core of the anti-religion religion. Apparently making claims without evidence is the core of the pro-religion religion. You don’t have the evidence about this matter either. |
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Post by SciFive on Jan 5, 2021 19:31:44 GMT
We come all the way back to the inescapable fact that science doesn’t know if God exists.
Many scientists and doctors believe in God and the nuts will call them irrational for daring to do so, but it’s B.S.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jan 5, 2021 19:36:53 GMT
We come all the way back to the inescapable fact that science doesn’t know if God exists. Many scientists and doctors believe in God and the nuts will call them irrational for daring to do so, but it’s B.S. "We come all the way back to the inescapable fact that science doesn’t know if God exists." Yes in the same way science doesn't know if a magical leprechaun realm exists. "Many scientists and doctors believe in God and the nuts will call them irrational for daring to do so, but it’s B.S." Scientists tend to be less religious then the general public. And even devoutly religous ones like Georges Lemaître were rational enough not try incorporate god into science.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 5, 2021 19:41:08 GMT
"I believe because it makes me happy" is blatantly irrational; it's known as the WISHFUL THINKING FALLACY. "You can't prove it wrong" is also blatantly fallacious; it's known as the ARGUMENT FROM IGNORANCE FALLACY.So both of the arguments you've offered are fallacious, thus irrational. So the claim you've offered rational reasons is also blatantly false. Got anything else? Again, I'm sorry you don't know how reason and logic works, but it's not my fault that you don't and I'm having to point these basic things out to you. If happiness is one's goal, and being relogious makes one happy, it is completely rational to be happy. See my reply above to SciFive: rationality is about reasoning as it relates to truth. We can speak of rationality colloquially as it relates to non-truth goals/desires, but all serious study of reasoning takes truth as its goal. I even made this distinction way back earlier in the thread when I asked if you were concerned with truth. You said yes, but now you seem to be saying "I'm only interested in truth so long as it doesn't make me unhappy." Plus, remember this post from yesterday: IMDB2.freeforums.net/post/4520574/thread I asked you if you considered those beliefs rational too. If you're being logically consistent, you'd have to say that all of those beliefs are rational solely because they could (hypothetically) make people happy to believe them.
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Post by SciFive on Jan 5, 2021 19:42:07 GMT
See my reply above to SciFive: rationality is about reasoning as it relates to truth.
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Science doesn’t know the truth in this matter.
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Post by movieliker on Jan 5, 2021 19:43:43 GMT
If happiness is one's goal, and being relogious makes one happy, it is completely rational to be happy. See my reply above to SciFive: rationality is about reasoning as it relates to truth. We can speak of rationality colloquially as it relates to non-truth goals/desires, but all serious study of reasoning takes truth as its goal. I even made this distinction way back earlier in the thread when I asked if you were concerned with truth. You said yes, but now you seem to be saying "I'm only interested in truth so long as it doesn't make me unhappy." Plus, remember this post from yesterday: IMDB2.freeforums.net/post/4520574/thread I asked you if you considered those beliefs rational too. If you're being logically consistent, you'd have to say that all of those beliefs are rational solely because they could (hypothetically) make people happy to believe them. No. All those beliefs are different. Each one has to be taken individually. |
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 5, 2021 19:44:50 GMT
No one knows the reality in this matter. One doesn't need to know reality in order to assess the (ir)rationality of the reasons one uses to form beliefs. For example, this is actually rational: "all elephants are green, you are an elephant, you are green" despite being factually wrong. While this: "Clocks tick, Birds sing, Therefore, you are human" is irrational despite being factually correct. Again, I'm sorry that you and movieliker don't have such a basic grasp on what rationality is.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 5, 2021 19:46:17 GMT
Science doesn’t know the truth in this matter. I agree, and I've said I agree about a million times. Science also doesn't know the truth about the existence any being you can imagine; the question is why is it rational to believe in any of them.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 5, 2021 19:46:49 GMT
See my reply above to SciFive: rationality is about reasoning as it relates to truth. We can speak of rationality colloquially as it relates to non-truth goals/desires, but all serious study of reasoning takes truth as its goal. I even made this distinction way back earlier in the thread when I asked if you were concerned with truth. You said yes, but now you seem to be saying "I'm only interested in truth so long as it doesn't make me unhappy." Plus, remember this post from yesterday: IMDB2.freeforums.net/post/4520574/thread I asked you if you considered those beliefs rational too. If you're being logically consistent, you'd have to say that all of those beliefs are rational solely because they could (hypothetically) make people happy to believe them. No. All those beliefs are different. Each one has to be taken individually. Then explain how they're different in a way that makes them irrational but your God belief rational.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 5, 2021 19:47:59 GMT
Apparently making claims without evidence is the core of the pro-religion religion. You don’t have the evidence about this matter either. The evidence is that there isn't any evidence God exists.
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