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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 5, 2021 23:20:23 GMT
OK, now we're moving on to the God issue. What you're arguing is that your belief in God is rational relative to your desire to be happy. However, the issue of something's existence is not dependent upon your desires. The sun, moon, stars, grass, animals, trees, rocks, etc. all exist regardless of whether you want them to exist or not. Their existence is in no way dependent upon your desires. God's existence is the same way, it's completely independent of your subjective desires. Truth, IN GENERAL, is completely independent of your objective desires, and rationality is about the reasoning we use to form true beliefs. This is why saying "it's rational to believe in God because it makes me feel good" is fundamentally different than something like "it's rational to take your asthma medicine." The latter is totally dependent upon someone's subjective desire to live. The existence of God is not dependent on any subjective desire. To believe in something that may or may not exist based on a desire rather than evidence is a textbook logical fallacy. To deny this is to basically deny the entire field of rationality and logic. If what you're saying is true, then you should rewrite the entire "Wishful Thinking" entry on Wikipedia because, according to you, that's not even a logical fallacy. ########## We've already agreed on that. Just like the former is totally dependent on someone's subjective desire to be happy. I've literally read this post half-a-dozen time to make sure I'm not making a mistake, but it seems you are saying completely contradictory things in back-to-back sentences: 1. We agree that God's existence isn't dependent upon your desires. 2. But it's dependent on someone's desire to be happy. What?
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Post by SciFive on Jan 5, 2021 23:23:50 GMT
To believe in something that may or may not exist based on a desire rather than evidence is a textbook logical fallacy. To deny this is to basically deny the entire field of rationality and logic. ————————- Oh, good grief!!! This is the biggest pile of bullsh*t I’ve seen here. It’s OPTIMISM!! It’s not a crime against humanity. It's also a logical fallacy according to literally every single logic textbook and online source. Sorry if the truth is too pessimistic for you. He’s already said that his happiness is not the only reason he believes in God. He is refusing your mind-assault where you try to interrogate him as if believing in God is a felony. Scientists and doctors believe in God. They’re probably happy about it, too. Anti-religion religion people sound like a pretty miserable bunch. Their freaking misery demands company. |
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 5, 2021 23:28:11 GMT
It's also a logical fallacy according to literally every single logic textbook and online source. Sorry if the truth is too pessimistic for you. He’s already said that his happiness is not the only reason he believes in God. He is refusing your mind-assault where you try to interrogate him as if believing in God is a felony. Scientists and doctors believe in God. They’re probably happy about it, too. Anti-religion religion people sound like a pretty miserable bunch. Their freaking misery demands company. The only other reason he's given is "you can't prove God doesn't exist," which is another logical fallacy. If he's given any other reason, I must've missed them. You really are funny. "Mind assault" from "interrogation" for a "felony" on a free, open forum where he (and you) can literally put me on ignore or stop responding to my posts. You really do have the biggest victim complex of any person I've ever seen.
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Post by SciFive on Jan 5, 2021 23:29:52 GMT
Emo is applying more things in the physical world to the spiritual world.
Believing in God is not a mental disorder even when people believe because it makes them happy.
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Post by SciFive on Jan 5, 2021 23:32:14 GMT
He’s already said that his happiness is not the only reason he believes in God. He is refusing your mind-assault where you try to interrogate him as if believing in God is a felony. Scientists and doctors believe in God. They’re probably happy about it, too. Anti-religion religion people sound like a pretty miserable bunch. Their freaking misery demands company. The only other reason he's given is "you can't prove God doesn't exist," which is another logical fallacy. If he's given any other reason, I must've missed them. You really are funny. "Mind assault" from "interrogation" for a "felony" on a free, open forum where he (and you) can literally put me on ignore or stop responding to my posts. You really do have the biggest victim complex of any person I've ever seen. The world of logic doesn’t cast people as mentally ill for believing in God. Not for any reason. This anti-religion religion business is sick sh*t. |
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 5, 2021 23:36:20 GMT
The only other reason he's given is "you can't prove God doesn't exist," which is another logical fallacy. If he's given any other reason, I must've missed them. You really are funny. "Mind assault" from "interrogation" for a "felony" on a free, open forum where he (and you) can literally put me on ignore or stop responding to my posts. You really do have the biggest victim complex of any person I've ever seen. The world of logic doesn’t cast people as mentally ill for believing in God. And where have I done that? Or is this just you making up more bullshit to play the victim about?
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 5, 2021 23:37:29 GMT
Emo is applying more things in the physical world to the spiritual world. And LieFive has utterly failed to argue why anyone should assume the spiritual world exists.
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Post by SciFive on Jan 5, 2021 23:38:13 GMT
The world of logic doesn’t cast people as mentally ill for believing in God. And where have I done that? Or is this just you making up more bullshit to play the victim about? You’re using the world of logic as some kind of weapon against a man’s personal thoughts. This is mega-arseholery. Stop it. |
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jan 5, 2021 23:39:33 GMT
Emo is applying more things in the physical world to the spiritual world. And LieFive has utterly failed to argue why anyone should assume the spiritual world exists. Because it makes clairvoyants happy of course!
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 5, 2021 23:40:17 GMT
And where have I done that? Or is this just you making up more bullshit to play the victim about? You’re using the world of logic as some kind of weapon against a man’s personal thoughts. The world of logic has always been a weapon against man's irrational thoughts. That's the entire purpose. And you failed to show where I've "cast anyone as mentally ill for believing in God."
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Post by SciFive on Jan 5, 2021 23:40:19 GMT
Emo is applying more things in the physical world to the spiritual world. And LieFive has utterly failed to argue why anyone should assume the spiritual world exists. I’m not asking anyone to believe in the spiritual world. I’m complaining about major arseholery. Leave people alone if they want to believe. |
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Post by SciFive on Jan 5, 2021 23:42:07 GMT
You’re using the world of logic as some kind of weapon against a man’s personal thoughts. The world of logic has always been a weapon against man's irrational thoughts. That's the entire purpose. And you failed to show where I've "cast anyone as mentally ill for believing in God." Science can’t say that God doesn’t exist. Believing in God is not irrational except to people in the anti-religion religion. You guys don’t count. |
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 5, 2021 23:46:20 GMT
And LieFive has utterly failed to argue why anyone should assume the spiritual world exists. I’m not asking anyone to believe in the spiritual world. I don't care. You're still on a forum for discussing such things and repeatedly claiming that one exists. If you're going to repeatedly claim one exists, I have every right to ask your reasons for thinking it does. Othererwise we're back to the "SciFive is a rapist pedophile murderer" world where I can simply make claims without any evidence to support them, and if you dare ask me my reasons for making that claim then you're a virtual mind rapist.
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Post by movieliker on Jan 5, 2021 23:47:07 GMT
We've already agreed on that. Just like the former is totally dependent on someone's subjective desire to be happy. I've literally read this post half-a-dozen time to make sure I'm not making a mistake, but it seems you are saying completely contradictory things in back-to-back sentences: 1. We agree that God's existence isn't dependent upon your desires. 2. But it's dependent on someone's desire to be happy. What? You're taking things out of context. "God's existence" isn't dependent on anybody's desire to believe in God. Somebody's decision to "believe in God" is dependent on their desire to be happy. |
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 5, 2021 23:48:20 GMT
The world of logic has always been a weapon against man's irrational thoughts. That's the entire purpose. And you failed to show where I've "cast anyone as mentally ill for believing in God." Science can’t say that God doesn’t exist. Believing in God is not irrational except to people in the anti-religion religion. You guys don’t count. No, but logic can say whether people's reasons for believing in God are rational or not. Whether believing in God is irrational or not depends on the reasons for believing in God. "Believing in God makes me happy" is irrational, and "you can't prove God doesn't exist so I'll believe" is irrational. I've literally linked to websites explaining why both are logical fallacies. Now, if you'd like to present a reason that's not irrational, I'm all ears.
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Post by SciFive on Jan 5, 2021 23:48:32 GMT
You're still on a forum for discussing such things and repeatedly claiming that one exists.
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Emo, you’re lying again.
I make no such claim.
I’m fighting arseholery.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 5, 2021 23:50:21 GMT
I've literally read this post half-a-dozen time to make sure I'm not making a mistake, but it seems you are saying completely contradictory things in back-to-back sentences: 1. We agree that God's existence isn't dependent upon your desires. 2. But it's dependent on someone's desire to be happy. What? You're taking things out of context. "God's existence" isn't dependent on anybody's desire to believe in God. Somebody's decision to "believe in God" is dependent on their desire to be happy. Yes, but if God's existence isn't dependent upon anyone's desire to believe, then your decision to believe based on your desire to be happy is irrational relative to the truth of God's existence. You can't agree that your desire has no bearing on God's existence, yet your desire to believe is a rational reason to believe "God exists" is true.
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Post by SciFive on Jan 5, 2021 23:50:29 GMT
No, but logic can say whether people's reasons for believing in God are rational or not.
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The reasons are no one else’s business.
Why are you neck deep in arseholery?
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 5, 2021 23:51:26 GMT
You're still on a forum for discussing such things and repeatedly claiming that one exists. ————— Emo, you’re lying again. I make no such claim.I’m fighting arseholery. LieFive, here is you claiming the spiritual world exists right here: IMDB2.freeforums.net/post/4521570/thread
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 5, 2021 23:52:20 GMT
No, but logic can say whether people's reasons for believing in God are rational or not. ——————- The reasons are no one else’s business. They are when presented on a forum for discussing such things. You seem to take umbrage with the entire premise of what discussion forums are for.
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