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Post by Stammerhead on Jan 7, 2021 1:12:35 GMT
Those things are pretty rare here in the UK.
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Post by marianne48 on Jan 7, 2021 2:38:13 GMT
I would ask them if they were really big Dukes of Hazzard fans.
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Post by gameboy on Jan 7, 2021 3:04:52 GMT
I don't know about that. I'm always curious why someone would blatantly do something that's not socially acceptable.
Seriously? ![]() Exactly how long did it take for people like this to become socially acceptable? And why did they do it when it *wasn't*? Why didn't they just act and be and do what everybody else around them was?
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Well go ahead, show us the confederate flag in those pictures. It's the 'official' symbol of white supremacists right?, and this was their biggest demonstration ever when they marched on Washington in 1925. Go ahead, show us all the confederate flags at that march.
Don't take my words out of context. You still haven't made a point. Pinky, her point is that often people, for good or bad reasons, do things which are socially unacceptable.
As usual, I'm aghast at the conformist mob mentality on this board. There's nothing wrong with the Confederate flag as an emblem of Southern heritage.
Sure, to me, if I see it here in California, it usually signifies white trash rednecks. But vive la différence and respect other people's rights to think differently than you.
I'm frankly aghast at all these fools who say they would poop on their lawn (yeah, that's better than flying a flag) or refuse to look past the shallow and try and see a real person rather than a stereotype. 
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Post by Marv on Jan 7, 2021 3:13:55 GMT
Is it someone I otherwise would get along with?
I mean, let’s just say if we’re making first impressions I’m probably gonna be a little wary. Not even particularly for that flag but that they’re probably politically opinionated and if they are that brazen about it I’d wonder how soon until we were having awkward conversations about religion and politics. So I’d be hesitant to become best buds.
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Post by Spitfire926f on Jan 7, 2021 3:30:00 GMT
There's confederate flags all over MI due to southern migration in early/mid 20th century. For most people here it's about family heritage. Are there assholes here where it may mean a different context? Sure, but those people are everywhere. Not everyone with a rebel flag here has one because they're a white supremacist.
Frankly, I'm sick of seeing them here though. We border Canada FFS.
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Post by darkreviewer2013 on Jan 7, 2021 7:32:24 GMT
In my home country, supporters of one county football team sometimes fly the Confederate flag due to the fact that it features their team's colour scheme. It's a dumb and inappropriate practice given what the flag represents. May as well go for broke and fly a swastika flag. And I would take issue with a friend who flew it, yes.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 7, 2021 7:57:48 GMT
You have a point to make?
You're the one who brought up 'blatantly do something socially unacceptable'. Did you forget history?
Liberals get a free pass.
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Post by gameboy on Jan 7, 2021 9:02:59 GMT
Those things are pretty rare here in the UK. Does anybody in England fly Scottish flags and upside down Union Jack's?
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Post by Stammerhead on Jan 7, 2021 9:52:23 GMT
Those things are pretty rare here in the UK. Does anybody in England fly Scottish flags and upside down Union Jack's? It’s an official flag so gets flown without any drama as far as I know but you tend to see it more if there’s an England v Scotland football match. Same thing with the English flag. As for the Union Jack I don’t pay enough attention to it to notice if it’s upside down (in some ways it’s like a Jackson Pollock painting) but there have been occasions when it’s been accidentally flown upside down on government buildings.
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Post by gameboy on Jan 7, 2021 16:46:22 GMT
Does anybody in England fly Scottish flags and upside down Union Jack's? It’s an official flag so gets flown without any drama as far as I know but you tend to see it more if there’s an England v Scotland football match. Same thing with the English flag. As for the Union Jack I don’t pay enough attention to it to notice if it’s upside down (in some ways it’s like a Jackson Pollock painting) but there have been occasions when it’s been accidentally flown upside down on government buildings. How can you tell if the Union Jack is upside down? Damn, so Welsh nationalists want to be added to the Union Jack and change it to this: So in other words, the Welsh wanna take over the whole flag! 
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Post by novastar6 on Jan 7, 2021 17:50:53 GMT
You're the one who brought up 'blatantly do something socially unacceptable'. Did you forget history?
Liberals get a free pass.
Age old story.
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 7, 2021 18:06:26 GMT
Depends.
People are more than one thing and I can look past bad things and just focus on the good things about a person.
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 7, 2021 18:12:17 GMT
that would be the smart thing to do, which is why i didn't think of it. I don't know about that. I'm always curious why someone would blatantly do something that's not socially acceptable. That is how both positive change happens. Something being socially acceptable doesn't make it correct. Throughout history the majority has believed wrong things and it took the people with fringe views to show how incorrect the majority was. People who go along with stuff just because it is socially acceptable is where the term "sheeple" comes from. People who are too scared or lazy to think for themselves. On the other side of the coin there are people who do horrible things. They aren't doing things that are socially unacceptable just for the sake of it, they are doing it because of deep-rooted psychological reasons.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jan 7, 2021 21:01:17 GMT
Well go ahead, show us the confederate flag in those pictures. It's the 'official' symbol of white supremacists right?, and this was their biggest demonstration ever when they marched on Washington in 1925. Go ahead, show us all the confederate flags at that march.
I didn't say what it was a symbol of (re: ignorance and open hostility). And yes, American racists may fly an American flag (re: half-truths), but only racists, or - to be absolutely fair to those "Southern heritage" folks - people indifferent to racism, would fly a flag that in its very name represents the traitors that took the USA to its bloodiest war so they could preserve slavery.
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Post by novastar6 on Jan 7, 2021 23:27:20 GMT
Well go ahead, show us the confederate flag in those pictures. It's the 'official' symbol of white supremacists right?, and this was their biggest demonstration ever when they marched on Washington in 1925. Go ahead, show us all the confederate flags at that march.
I didn't say what it was a symbol of (re: ignorance and open hostility). And yes, American racists may fly an American flag (re: half-truths), but only racists, or - to be absolutely fair to those "Southern heritage" folks - people indifferent to racism, would fly a flag that in its very name represents the traitors that took the USA to its bloodiest war so they could preserve slavery.
Okay, let me ask you a question. Would you go to war and fight against your literal own flesh and blood, fight in a kill or be killed situation against your own actual brother, just so a bunch of rich guys who you don't know and don't have anything to do with, could keep THEIR slaves? Do you really think all the poor men fighting and dying owned slaves? Do you know what it took to be exempt from fighting? A union man had to pay $300, which adjusted for inflation today would be $9,400. A confederate man had to own 20 slaves to be exempt, some slaves back then sold for $1,000, a single slave would sell for the equivalent of $30,000 today, so to be exempt from fighting, they had to own up to the equivalent of $627,000 worth of slaves. You think the guys who were starving because they couldn't afford $1.10 for a pound of bacon had that kind of money laying around to own people? So again, would you go to war and kill your own family for a bunch of rich people to own slaves?
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jan 7, 2021 23:47:46 GMT
I didn't say what it was a symbol of (re: ignorance and open hostility). And yes, American racists may fly an American flag (re: half-truths), but only racists, or - to be absolutely fair to those "Southern heritage" folks - people indifferent to racism, would fly a flag that in its very name represents the traitors that took the USA to its bloodiest war so they could preserve slavery.
Okay, let me ask you a question. Would you go to war and fight against your literal own flesh and blood, fight in a kill or be killed situation against your own actual brother, just so a bunch of rich guys who you don't know and don't have anything to do with, could keep THEIR slaves? Do you really think all the poor men fighting and dying owned slaves? Do you know what it took to be exempt from fighting? A union man had to pay $300, which adjusted for inflation today would be $9,400. A confederate man had to own 20 slaves to be exempt, some slaves back then sold for $1,000, a single slave would sell for the equivalent of $30,000 today, so to be exempt from fighting, they had to own up to the equivalent of $627,000 worth of slaves. You think the guys who were starving because they couldn't afford $1.10 for a pound of bacon had that kind of money laying around to own people? So again, would you go to war and kill your own family for a bunch of rich people to own slaves?
A war fought by the poor to protect the interests of the rich, how unusual. To answer your question: I wouldn't have a choice. MY question is, why would someone who's ancestors were forced to kill their fellow countrymen look back fondly on and celebrate said rich guys and their unjust cause? |
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Post by Stammerhead on Jan 8, 2021 0:04:12 GMT
It’s an official flag so gets flown without any drama as far as I know but you tend to see it more if there’s an England v Scotland football match. Same thing with the English flag. As for the Union Jack I don’t pay enough attention to it to notice if it’s upside down (in some ways it’s like a Jackson Pollock painting) but there have been occasions when it’s been accidentally flown upside down on government buildings. How can you tell if the Union Jack is upside down? Damn, so Welsh nationalists want to be added to the Union Jack and change it to this: So in other words, the Welsh wanna take over the whole flag! Unless they plan to successfully invade England it would end up being a lot smaller if that ever happened. Mind you, we could include St George killing the dragon just to annoy them.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jan 8, 2021 0:30:14 GMT
If they had a confedarate flag outside their home ? I would say i wouldn't. I find it hard to say, since its my belief that everyone has to the right to their opinion. But the truth is that I probably wouldn't have been friends with that person anyway. Other previous attitudes would have pulled us apart already.
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Post by gameboy on Jan 8, 2021 4:35:37 GMT
How can you tell if the Union Jack is upside down? Damn, so Welsh nationalists want to be added to the Union Jack and change it to this: So in other words, the Welsh wanna take over the whole flag! Unless they plan to successfully invade England it would end up being a lot smaller if that ever happened. Mind you, we could include St George killing the dragon just to annoy them. Tell the Welsh to add a green stripe or something to represent Wales. If the Brits ever add that monster to their flag, I'm burning a Union Jack.
But great line about St George and the Dragon. St George was Greek.
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Post by novastar6 on Jan 8, 2021 5:22:01 GMT
Okay, let me ask you a question. Would you go to war and fight against your literal own flesh and blood, fight in a kill or be killed situation against your own actual brother, just so a bunch of rich guys who you don't know and don't have anything to do with, could keep THEIR slaves? Do you really think all the poor men fighting and dying owned slaves? Do you know what it took to be exempt from fighting? A union man had to pay $300, which adjusted for inflation today would be $9,400. A confederate man had to own 20 slaves to be exempt, some slaves back then sold for $1,000, a single slave would sell for the equivalent of $30,000 today, so to be exempt from fighting, they had to own up to the equivalent of $627,000 worth of slaves. You think the guys who were starving because they couldn't afford $1.10 for a pound of bacon had that kind of money laying around to own people? So again, would you go to war and kill your own family for a bunch of rich people to own slaves?
A war fought by the poor to protect the interests of the rich, how unusual. To answer your question: I wouldn't have a choice. MY question is, why would someone who's ancestors were forced to kill their fellow countrymen look back fondly on and celebrate said rich guys and their unjust cause?
It's your opinion that's what they do. You think that was going through anybody's mind the entire time millions of people tuned in every week to see Dukes of Hazzard, or did you forget what the General Lee looked like? Guess who was outraged by it...nobody. Black people didn't picket the show, ancestors of slaves didn't picket the show, nobody picketed the show, everybody loved it, everybody was too smart to be offended 'waaaaah, there's a confederate flag on top of the car, it's so racist!'
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