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Post by kolchak92 on Jan 10, 2021 23:33:20 GMT
Ordinary People - Gets a lot of crap for winning a trophy over Raging Bull, I actually think it's the better movie.
Ishtar - Largely infamous for its behind the scenes problems, but I think it's definitely preferable to any of the dozens of shit comedies that are released every year.
Jurassic Park III - Has a reputation for basically being the Batman & Robin of the JP series, which is completely untrue. I think it's better than the newer films.
Green Book - So because Spike Lee badmouthed it, it's now pretty much known as some white-savior movie about a heroic white guy who rides around the south protecting a helpless, impotent black guy. I feel that most people who think this haven't actually seen it.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jan 10, 2021 23:47:43 GMT
In all honesty, GB was the subject of controversy before Spike Lee badmouthed it, and it winning Best Picture only amplified things.
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 10, 2021 23:47:52 GMT
I will never understand movies themselves being judged for winning over a better movie.
That has nothing to do with the quality of the movie itself.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jan 11, 2021 0:15:51 GMT
The Last Jedi - a guy who wasn't a boyscount in the first place grew more cynical, a villain that sucked anyway died so the more interesting villain took his place, new force abilities were discovered as per every movie, Darth Vader's daughter can use the force, an arguable Mary Sue was given flaws but still called a Mary Sue, etc. None of this is what I'd call fair.
Scream - often demeaned for the shitty movies that tried to imitate it
Joker - has nothing to do with incels
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Post by ck100 on Jan 11, 2021 0:24:03 GMT
Ghostbusters 2016
Alien 3
The Last Jedi
Titanic
Avatar
Prometheus
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 11, 2021 0:24:58 GMT
The Last Jedi - a guy who wasn't a boyscount in the first place grew more cynical, a villain that sucked anyway died so the more interesting villain took his place, new force abilities were discovered as per every movie, Darth Vader's daughter can use the force, an arguable Mary Sue was given flaws but still called a Mary Sue, etc. None of this is what I'd call fair. Scream - often demeaned for the shitty movies that tried to imitate it Joker - has nothing to do with incels I am completely oblivious to this.
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Post by Vits on Jan 11, 2021 0:44:43 GMT
CUTIES.
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Post by kolchak92 on Jan 11, 2021 0:45:35 GMT
Joker - has nothing to do with incels I didn't even know what that term was before Joker, but I still don't really understand what it had to do with the movie.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jan 11, 2021 1:08:11 GMT
The Last Jedi - a guy who wasn't a boyscount in the first place grew more cynical, a villain that sucked anyway died so the more interesting villain took his place, new force abilities were discovered as per every movie, Darth Vader's daughter can use the force, an arguable Mary Sue was given flaws but still called a Mary Sue, etc. None of this is what I'd call fair. Scream - often demeaned for the shitty movies that tried to imitate it Joker - has nothing to do with incels On the subject of TLJ, I would say that that the stuff with Luke feels a bit forced. It’s honestly a a stretch to believe that the same person who refused to kill Darth Vader would attempt to murder his teenage nephew before he ever had a chance to do anything wrong. The idea could maybe work if we had more build up to it, but as it stands, it just makes Luke look inconsistent. To be clear, I’m not outraged by the direction the movie went with Luke, but I don’t think it did the best job of explaining or showing us how he got to that point.
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Post by judgejosephdredd on Jan 11, 2021 1:47:35 GMT
The Last Jedi - a guy who wasn't a boyscount in the first place grew more cynical, a villain that sucked anyway died so the more interesting villain took his place, new force abilities were discovered as per every movie, Darth Vader's daughter can use the force, an arguable Mary Sue was given flaws but still called a Mary Sue, etc. None of this is what I'd call fair.Scream - often demeaned for the shitty movies that tried to imitate it Joker - has nothing to do with incels I had the feeling The Last Jedi would've been mentioned in this thread... My two cents on your two cents on the negative complaining about the movie - No, Luke was not a boy scout to begin with, but he evolved into a hero with good judgement and wisdom at the end of Return of the Jedi. Seeing him deconstructed into a reclusive quitter who drinks green breast milk on an island somewhere was certainly not expected but it didn't feel earned or organic or very plausible a transition, it felt like a deconstruction for the sake of it to say, "hey you overgrown children there is no such as an aspirational hero, get over it!" Snoke was set up as the big bad of the whole sequel trilogy and in the end they didn't do anything of note with him and killed him off for shock value, and the only thing they could do to try and explain his role was to make him a science lab experiment by Palpatine. Rey was arguably even more of a Mary Sue here than in The Force Awakens, Rise of Skywalker tried to give her some substance but it was too little too late and didn't work out very well in the end. Most people take issue with that out of all the ways to have Leia use the force they decided to use it in a sequence which just looked silly - She cheats death and flies through space like Mary Poppins to safety? Why not have her use the force in a battle?
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jan 11, 2021 2:16:48 GMT
The Last Jedi - a guy who wasn't a boyscount in the first place grew more cynical, a villain that sucked anyway died so the more interesting villain took his place, new force abilities were discovered as per every movie, Darth Vader's daughter can use the force, an arguable Mary Sue was given flaws but still called a Mary Sue, etc. None of this is what I'd call fair. Scream - often demeaned for the shitty movies that tried to imitate it Joker - has nothing to do with incels On the subject of TLJ, I would say that that the stuff with Luke feels a bit forced. It’s honestly a a stretch to believe that the same person who refused to kill Darth Vader would attempt to murder his teenage nephew before he ever had a chance to do anything wrong. The idea could maybe work if we had more build up to it, but as it stands, it just makes Luke look inconsistent. To be clear, I’m not outraged by the direction the movie went with Luke, but I don’t think it did the best job of explaining or showing us how he got to that point. 1. He quite nearly killed Vader before stopping himself 2. He didn't *attempt* to kill Kylo, that was Kylo's version of events. The thought crossed his mind, but as before with Vader, he stopped himself.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 11, 2021 2:18:42 GMT
Jurassic Park III is my second favorite JP movie.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jan 11, 2021 2:32:30 GMT
On the subject of TLJ, I would say that that the stuff with Luke feels a bit forced. It’s honestly a a stretch to believe that the same person who refused to kill Darth Vader would attempt to murder his teenage nephew before he ever had a chance to do anything wrong. The idea could maybe work if we had more build up to it, but as it stands, it just makes Luke look inconsistent. To be clear, I’m not outraged by the direction the movie went with Luke, but I don’t think it did the best job of explaining or showing us how he got to that point. 1. He quite nearly killed Vader before stopping himself 2. He didn't *attempt* to kill Kylo, that was Kylo's version of events. The thought crossed his mind, but as before with Vader, he stopped himself. 1. He nearly killed Vader, a mass murdering tyrant, in a moment of anger, before stopping himself. His entire reason for being there in the first place was to redeem his father, not to kill him. 2. He ignited his lightsaber in front of Ben while he was sleeping. It definitely seems like that was more than just a thought. And again, Ben was not a mass murdering tyrant at that point. He was a teenager who hadn’t done anything wrong just yet.
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Post by onethreetwo on Jan 11, 2021 2:38:24 GMT
Evil Dead (2013). For starters, a lot of people have an inflated love for the original trilogy. Combine that with the lead being female and you have a recipe for instant hatred. It's so fucking good. I'm getting tired of defending it though. At this point fuck everyone else. I'll just enjoy it myself.
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Post by shannondegroot on Jan 11, 2021 2:43:37 GMT
Spaced Invaders (1990)
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Post by kolchak92 on Jan 11, 2021 2:50:10 GMT
Jurassic Park III is my second favorite JP movie. What's your first?
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Post by Prime etc. on Jan 11, 2021 2:54:04 GMT
Jurassic Park III - Has a reputation for basically being the Batman & Robin of the JP series, which is completely untrue. I think it's better than the newer films.
*I have never seen it compared to Batman and Robin. It didn't get much attention when it was released. The previous ones have more comedy than it does. But it is only 90 minutes which is rather short.
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Post by kolchak92 on Jan 11, 2021 3:00:53 GMT
Jurassic Park III - Has a reputation for basically being the Batman & Robin of the JP series, which is completely untrue. I think it's better than the newer films. *I have never seen it compared to Batman and Robin. It didn't get much attention when it was released. The previous ones have more comedy than it does. But it is only 90 minutes which is rather short. Oh no I didn't mean people literally compare it to Batman & Robin, just that it tends to get treated as if it's the equivalent of Batman & Robin for the JP series, or like Star Trek V or Superman IV or something.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jan 11, 2021 3:02:25 GMT
1. He quite nearly killed Vader before stopping himself 2. He didn't *attempt* to kill Kylo, that was Kylo's version of events. The thought crossed his mind, but as before with Vader, he stopped himself. 1. He nearly killed Vader, a mass murdering tyrant, in a moment of anger, before stopping himself. His entire reason for being there in the first place was to redeem his father, not to kill him. 2. He ignited his lightsaber in front of Ben while he was sleeping. It definitely seems like that was more than just a thought. And again, Ben was not a mass murdering tyrant at that point. He was a teenager who hadn’t done anything wrong just yet. 1. All of which can be applied to the Ben scene, except that Luke didn't swing at the kid like Jason Voorhees until chopping his hand off. 2. That's Brandishing a Weapon, not Attempted Murder. As far as Kylo not having done anything yet, we're talking about Luke Skywalker: a Force sensitive demigod. It's not like he was going off of a hunch or something. It's the old "would you kill baby Hitler?" question. Killing Kylo would prevent the same bloodshed his grandfather committed before the fact. Ultimately, Luke chose not to, but for four years he's had to answer to the Thought Police.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jan 11, 2021 3:04:41 GMT
The Last Jedi - a guy who wasn't a boyscount in the first place grew more cynical, a villain that sucked anyway died so the more interesting villain took his place, new force abilities were discovered as per every movie, Darth Vader's daughter can use the force, an arguable Mary Sue was given flaws but still called a Mary Sue, etc. None of this is what I'd call fair.Scream - often demeaned for the shitty movies that tried to imitate it Joker - has nothing to do with incels I had the feeling The Last Jedi would've been mentioned in this thread... My two cents on your two cents on the negative complaining about the movie - No, Luke was not a boy scout to begin with, but he evolved into a hero with good judgement and wisdom at the end of Return of the Jedi. Seeing him deconstructed into a reclusive quitter who drinks green breast milk on an island somewhere was certainly not expected but it didn't feel earned or organic or very plausible a transition, it felt like a deconstruction for the sake of it to say, "hey you overgrown children there is no such as an aspirational hero, get over it!" Snoke was set up as the big bad of the whole sequel trilogy and in the end they didn't do anything of note with him and killed him off for shock value, and the only thing they could do to try and explain his role was to make him a science lab experiment by Palpatine. Rey was arguably even more of a Mary Sue here than in The Force Awakens, Rise of Skywalker tried to give her some substance but it was too little too late and didn't work out very well in the end. Most people take issue with that out of all the ways to have Leia use the force they decided to use it in a sequence which just looked silly - She cheats death and flies through space like Mary Poppins to safety? Why not have her use the force in a battle? What does him drinking green breast milk have to do with anything? He was a farmboy. He's even seen drinking blue milk in ANH. And acting like Rian Johnson hates aspiration and heroism is another area I don't think people are being fair. It's as if they completely missed the entire final act where Luke comes in, saves the day, and reignites idealism across the galaxy and for a new generation. Sometimes things are set up and then subverted. Psycho, by all accounts a classic, set up Janet Leigh as the main character before killing her off halfway through. I don't know why this kind of thing became a crime in 2017, but it'd be one thing if Snoke was actually interesting or compelling. He wasn't. He was through and through a lame Emperor copycat, and seeing a rehash of the OT was one of things everyone was complaining about with TFA. Johnson then has the idea to bypass that and make the more interesting Kylo Ren the Big Bad, and suddenly the ST is not rehashy enough (cue Trevorrow - who would have stuck out Kylo Ren as Big Bad - getting fired and Abrams being brought in to complete the rehash circle). Are you gonna back up that Rey comment with an explanation or anything? TFA didn't have her go on a fool's errand motived by a crush and fail miserably. Though there are plenty of silly looking things in this franchise, if one finds Leia pulling herself through space too much, fair enough. But I'm talking about the people who take it a step further by acting like TLJ made her force sensitive out of nowhere.
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