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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 19:49:30 GMT
@miccee Right, so for the benefit of the child, the parent will face eternal damnation in lieu of, I don't know, maybe raising the kid and everyone avoiding eternal damnation. Evil people can come from loving families and have been well brought up by their parents. Human nature is not perfectible, and there can always people who have personality flaws that are no fault of the parents. And your scenario still relies on the family lineage never having a weak link which would cause someone else to be condemned to hell. And of course, once one family member ends up in hell, does that mean that when the parents get to heaven, they are relieved of having any concern for the wellbeing of their progeny (otherwise if the torture of their son or daughter was preying on their mind constantly, that would hardly be heavenly, would it?)? Or does one bad apple condemn the entire orchard to hell, because the parent bears some responsibility for any sin committed by any of their descendants? That's just a continuation of your justification for the parents taking a gamble with the eternal future of their progeny rather than aborting it and guaranteeing it a berth in heaven.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 19:53:29 GMT
Per @miccee , it doesn't matter what happens during an abortion since the prekid didn't know it was going to happen. It's all good and the prekid is the happier for it...you know...Being dead and all. Not happier for it; that's a strawman. It doesn't have any need or use for happiness, given that it does not have the hunger for happiness (being that it does not have consciousness). Happiness only has any value in relation to the threat of deprivation of happiness. It only has any value once you've created the conditions wherein the sentient being can feel deprived of happiness. What you would put forth as the benefits of being born is, in fact, nothing more than an array of imperfect solutions to an unnecessary problem.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 10, 2017 19:55:27 GMT
Per @miccee , it doesn't matter what happens during an abortion since the prekid didn't know it was going to happen. It's all good and the prekid is the happier for it...you know...Being dead and all.  Jezus.. You are killing it in this thread!!  No pun intended. 
All kudos go to @miccee.
I wouldn't have been able to come up with my material without his material.
He completes me.
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Post by theoncomingstorm on May 10, 2017 20:08:59 GMT
The Silent Scream: What happens during an abortion. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Silent_Scream"Many members of the medical community were critical of the film, describing it as misleading and deceptive. Richard Berkowitz, professor of obstetrics and gynecology at Mount Sinai Medical Center, described the film as "factually misleading and unfair".[4] John Hobbins of the Yale School of Medicine called the film's use of special effects deceptive, a form of "technical flimflam." He pointed out that the film of the ultrasound is initially run at slow speed, but that it is sped up when surgical instruments are introduced to give the impression that "the fetus is thrashing about in alarm." Hobbins questioned the titular "scream", noting that "the fetus spends lots of time with its mouth open", that the "scream" may have been a yawn, and also that "mouth" identified on the blurry ultrasound in the film may in fact have been the space between the fetal chin and chest.[4] Edward Myer, chairman of pediatrics at the University of Virginia stated that, at twelve weeks, the brain is not sufficiently developed for a fetus to be able to feel pain.[8] Similarly, Hart Peterson, chairman of pediatric neurology at the New York Hospital, stated that the "notion that a 12-week-old fetus is in discomfort is erroneous."[8] Fetal development experts argued that, contrary to Nathanson's assertion in the film, a fetus cannot perceive danger or make purposeful movements. David Bodian, a neurobiologist at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, stated that doctors had no evidence that a twelve-week-old fetus could feel pain, but noted the possibility of a reflex movement by a fetus in response to external stimuli such as surgical instruments. The size of the ultrasound image and of the fetus model used was also misleading, appearing to show a fetus the size of a full-term baby, while in actuality a twelve-week-old fetus is under two inches long.[4] Jennifer Niebyl of the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine said that what Nathanson described as the fetus recoiling from pain and seeking to escape is "strictly reflex activity" which Nathason made look purposeful by speeding up the film as the suction catheter was placed.[12] Fay Redwine of the VCU Medical Center stated "Any of us could show you the same image in a fetus who is not being aborted.""
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Post by gadreel on May 10, 2017 20:14:30 GMT
It doesn't deprive in the sense that there will be any feeling of having been deprived. You have to notice the absence of something in order to feel deprived of it. Which isn't true from a Christian perspective. Actually it has been and in some cases still is, Christian dogma has held that the foetus it not imbued with a soul until the quickening, therefore prior to that it is simply a lump of meat. Not that I expected you to know that. maybe you could educate yourself embryo.asu.edu/pages/roman-catholic-church-quickening
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Post by lowtacks86 on May 10, 2017 20:21:37 GMT
@miccee Exactly. Why take the chance that everything will turn out OK like it usually does when you can just kill the mistake for unprotected sex? Or you know an unwanted pregnancy from rape
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Post by blade on May 10, 2017 20:26:59 GMT
@miccee Exactly. Why take the chance that everything will turn out OK like it usually does when you can just kill the mistake for unprotected sex? Or you know an unwanted pregnancy from rape Two wrongs dont make a right.
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Post by lowtacks86 on May 10, 2017 20:30:30 GMT
Or you know an unwanted pregnancy from rape Two wrongs dont make a right. Words of wisdom. That's why you're so respected on this board, no doubt.
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Post by Marv on May 10, 2017 20:31:55 GMT
I'm glad they don't feel guilty. The last thing we need is all the abortion mothers being depressed for the rest of their lives over the choices they've made. Having an abortion I assume to be a pretty hard choice. There's a lot of individual factors to take into consideration and I've become a lot more forgiving about it over the years. I don't think I'd ever fully support having one unless there were large medical concerns...but I'm not gonna stone the women that feel it's the best decision for their lives moving forward.
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Post by blade on May 10, 2017 20:32:43 GMT
Two wrongs dont make a right. Words of wisdom. That's why you're so respected on this board, no doubt. "Yes, why dont we kill this baby in the womb, that will teach that bad man who raped the mother"
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Post by lowtacks86 on May 10, 2017 20:37:49 GMT
Words of wisdom. That's why you're so respected on this board, no doubt. "Yes, why dont we kill this baby in the womb, that will teach that bad man who raped the mother" Too bad Ada's gone, I wasn't which sure which one was stupider. I guess you win by default now.
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Post by blade on May 10, 2017 20:41:30 GMT
"Yes, why dont we kill this baby in the womb, that will teach that bad man who raped the mother" Too bad Ada's gone, I wasn't which sure which one was stupider. I guess you win by default now. Went right over your head. Well done.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 10, 2017 20:51:08 GMT
@miccee Exactly. Why take the chance that everything will turn out OK like it usually does when you can just kill the mistake for unprotected sex? Or you know an unwanted pregnancy from rape My apologies, I didn't know Sarah had been raped nor was my comments directed toward the miniscule portion of the abortions performed as a result of that or incest or the life of mother being in danger. I was talking about the remaining 96% of abortions out there...you know the ones caused by the people messing up in one way or another.
But to be clear, if women wants to have abortions for the most trivial of reasons, maybe because it's Taco Tuesday, it is perfectly legal to do so.
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Post by gadreel on May 10, 2017 21:02:06 GMT
Too bad Ada's gone, I wasn't which sure which one was stupider. I guess you win by default now. Went right over your head. Well done. I don't think it did, I think he understood perfectly that you are an idiot with a black and white view of the world, and a childs ability to communicate.
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Post by Cinemachinery on May 10, 2017 21:13:55 GMT
Two wrongs dont make a right. Words of wisdom. That's why you're so respected on this board, no doubt. Woof! Man, that subtle implication that women are ethically bound to bring a rapist's baby to term. That's some classy stuff, right there.
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Post by blade on May 10, 2017 21:16:57 GMT
Words of wisdom. That's why you're so respected on this board, no doubt. Woof! Man, that subtle implication that women are ethically bound to bring a rapist's baby to term. That's some classy stuff, right there. Why thank you my good man.
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Post by phludowin on May 10, 2017 21:19:57 GMT
So as long as a life is ignorant to be killed, it's OK to kill it? Got it. Good to see you agree. I would add that it should be painless.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 10, 2017 21:27:28 GMT
So as long as a life is ignorant to be killed, it's OK to kill it? Got it. Good to see you agree. I would add that it should be painless. Got it does not in any way mean agreement.
That simply means I understand an idiotic premise.
however, not sure why it being painless matters at all if it's that meaningless.
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Post by gadreel on May 10, 2017 21:27:52 GMT
Words of wisdom. That's why you're so respected on this board, no doubt. Woof! Man, that subtle implication that women are ethically bound to bring a rapist's baby to term. That's some classy stuff, right there. This is the sort of thing that indicates troll not drooling idiot, no one who is capable of reading quietly actually believes the mind boggling nonsense that Blade posts.
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Post by phludowin on May 10, 2017 21:55:37 GMT
Got it does not in any way mean agreement. That simply means I understand an idiotic premise. Do you have any evidence for your claim that this premise is idiotic? My opinion: Non-persons don't have a right to life; but if they can feel pain, it's ethical to not make them suffer.
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