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Post by lowtacks86 on Jan 13, 2021 22:09:02 GMT
Whose better at making big dumb action movies?
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Post by politicidal on Jan 13, 2021 22:12:31 GMT
Michael Bay.
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Post by CoolJGSāŗ on Jan 13, 2021 22:18:38 GMT
Hal Emmerich?
Bay has managed to have a few films I liked despite his overall suckiness.
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Post by CoolJGSāŗ on Jan 13, 2021 22:20:56 GMT
I looked up Hal Emmerich to see if it was the disaster movie guy and it kept giving me Metal Gear Solid references.
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Post by President Ackbarā¢ on Jan 13, 2021 22:23:09 GMT
Roland.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jan 13, 2021 22:24:29 GMT
I looked up Hal Emmerich to see if it was the disaster movie guy and it kept giving me Metal Gear Solid references. Whoops fixed. In a related matter, I wonder who they're gonna cast as Hal Emerich in the Metal Gear Solid movie.
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Post by Mulder and Scully on Jan 13, 2021 22:50:24 GMT
Michael Bay
Bay also made the underrated black comedy Pain and Gain, which I don't think Emmerich could pull off.
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 13, 2021 23:00:07 GMT
Michael Bay
The problem with Emmerich is that any time he strays from the disaster movie formula, his movies suck donkey balls. With the exception of The Patriot, which feels more like a Mel Gibson movie than an Emmerich movie.
Michael Bay has The Island, The Rock, Bad Boys, Transformers, Pain & Gain and all are of a different type of action movie and all 5 are successful to one degree or another. The Rock is quite a bit better than any of Emmerich's movies imo.
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Post by Prime etc. on Jan 13, 2021 23:09:26 GMT
I give Emmerich the slight edge because his films are more coherent.
The Rock is the only Bay movie I have seen that is re-watchable.
Not that I have any burning desire to watch an Emmerich film..
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Post by Stammerhead on Jan 13, 2021 23:57:21 GMT
I enjoy Emmerich more. Perhaps Iām getting old but I wish Bay could have his films recut against his wishes just to see what happens.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jan 14, 2021 0:24:43 GMT
Emnerich takes his stuff a bit more seriously which makes him worse in my book. Also, anyone who thinks a noble wrote Shakespeare's plays is automatically an asshole.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jan 14, 2021 0:29:03 GMT
Emnerich takes his stuff a bit more seriously which makes him worse in my book. Also, anyone who thinks a noble wrote Shakespeare's plays is automatically an asshole. That's the problem I had with Bay, he always just seemed like a more "serious", more bland version of Michael Bay. Like a less talented Zack Snyder (whose a less talented Chris Nolan)
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 11, 2024 4:09:29 GMT
Emnerich takes his stuff a bit more seriously which makes him worse in my book. Also, anyone who thinks a noble wrote Shakespeare's plays is automatically an asshole. Recently saw Stargate. First Shakespeare was too dumb and poor to write Shakespeare, now the Egyptians were too dumb and brown to build the pyramids. Fuck this idiot. |
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Post by moviemouth on May 11, 2024 4:43:28 GMT
Emnerich takes his stuff a bit more seriously which makes him worse in my book. Also, anyone who thinks a noble wrote Shakespeare's plays is automatically an asshole. Recently saw Stargate. First Shakespeare was too dumb and poor to write Shakespeare, now the Egyptians were too dumb and brown to build the pyramids. Fuck this idiot. I don't think the racism is as strong as some people think it is for the pyramid stuff, because the same thing comes up with stonehenge. It is always just the pyramids too. Nobody seems to think they weren't smart enough to build all that other stuff. I mean Egypt was a huge empire. I really don't think it would matter what color they were. It is just this while thing about the pyramids specifically that apparently most people's imaginations are letting them down on. Would it be neat if it were aliens (or an ancient mutant), yes, but there is no reason to think it wasn't just humans who did it and we are too stupid to figure out exactly how. As for the Shakespeare stuff, that is a well-known conspiracy theory. Whether the writer of the movie or Emmerich actually buy into it is a different question. I have heard very bad things about his Stonewall movie, which I have yet to watch. Thank goodness Michael Bay hasn't decided to make a movie about MLK or something. |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 11, 2024 5:24:53 GMT
Recently saw Stargate. First Shakespeare was too dumb and poor to write Shakespeare, now the Egyptians were too dumb and brown to build the pyramids. Fuck this idiot. I don't think the racism is as strong as some people think it is for the pyramid stuff, because the same thing comes up with stonehenge. It is always just the pyramids too. Nobody seems to think they weren't smart enough to build all that other stuff. I mean Egypt was a huge empire. I really don't think it would matter what color they were. It is just this while thing about the pyramids specifically that apparently most people's imaginations are letting them down on. Would it be neat if it were aliens (or an ancient mutant), yes, but there is no reason to think it wasn't just humans who did it and we are too stupid to figure out exactly how. As for the Shakespeare stuff, that is a well-known conspiracy theory. Whether the writer of the movie or Emmerich actually buy into it is a different question. I have heard very bad things about his Stonewall movie, which I have yet to watch. Thank goodness Michael Bay hasn't decided to make a movie about MLK or something. I haven't really heard aliens credited for Stonehenge, or at least not as often and vigorously as with the pyramids. Fair enough, I guess. I know Emmerich didn't invent the authorship conspiracy (though I would assume he believes in it for him to direct a whole movie endorsing it), I just find it to be elitist nonsense and Anonymous itself protrays Shakespeare like he's Joey from Friends. Actually, a Michael Bay MLK movie would be the most glorious thing to come out of Hollywood in decades. He should get Anthony Anderson and have him play it just like his Transformers character. "I ate da whole plate! Da whole plate! Also, I have a dream."  |
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Post by twothousandonemark on May 11, 2024 19:37:17 GMT
Whose better at making big dumb action movies? Seems like a paradoxical query that. Big dumb action is Michael Bay. Silly less dumb, yet absurd, action is Emmerich. ID4 > anything from Bay. |
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Post by moviemouth on May 12, 2024 1:47:53 GMT
I don't think the racism is as strong as some people think it is for the pyramid stuff, because the same thing comes up with stonehenge. It is always just the pyramids too. Nobody seems to think they weren't smart enough to build all that other stuff. I mean Egypt was a huge empire. I really don't think it would matter what color they were. It is just this while thing about the pyramids specifically that apparently most people's imaginations are letting them down on. Would it be neat if it were aliens (or an ancient mutant), yes, but there is no reason to think it wasn't just humans who did it and we are too stupid to figure out exactly how. As for the Shakespeare stuff, that is a well-known conspiracy theory. Whether the writer of the movie or Emmerich actually buy into it is a different question. I have heard very bad things about his Stonewall movie, which I have yet to watch. Thank goodness Michael Bay hasn't decided to make a movie about MLK or something. I haven't really heard aliens credited for Stonehenge, or at least not as often and vigorously as with the pyramids. Fair enough, I guess. I know Emmerich didn't invent the authorship conspiracy (though I would assume he believes in it for him to direct a whole movie endorsing it), I just find it to be elitist nonsense and Anonymous itself protrays Shakespeare like he's Joey from Friends. Actually, a Michael Bay MLK movie would be the most glorious thing to come out of Hollywood in decades. He should get Anthony Anderson and have him play it just like his Transformers character. "I ate da whole plate! Da whole plate! Also, I have a dream." This is from Roger Ebert's glowing review, which I disagree with. I mean he called it historical and in the next breath he called it profoundly mistaken. That seems like a contradiction to me. The only thing I agree with about this paragraph is that it casts memorable British actors and that Shakespeare was a figure of compelling interest. "You perhaps know little enough about Shakespeare and next to nothing about the other candidates. That's no reason to avoid this marvelous historical film, which I believe to be profoundly mistaken. Because of the ingenious screenplay by John Orloff, precise direction by Roland Emmerich and the casting of memorable British actors, you can walk into the theater as a blank slate, follow and enjoy the story, and leave convinced ā if of nothing else ā that Shakespeare was a figure of compelling interest." |
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Post by sdrew13163 on May 12, 2024 1:55:27 GMT
Bay by far.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 12, 2024 8:23:13 GMT
I haven't really heard aliens credited for Stonehenge, or at least not as often and vigorously as with the pyramids. Fair enough, I guess. I know Emmerich didn't invent the authorship conspiracy (though I would assume he believes in it for him to direct a whole movie endorsing it), I just find it to be elitist nonsense and Anonymous itself protrays Shakespeare like he's Joey from Friends. Actually, a Michael Bay MLK movie would be the most glorious thing to come out of Hollywood in decades. He should get Anthony Anderson and have him play it just like his Transformers character. "I ate da whole plate! Da whole plate! Also, I have a dream." This is from Roger Ebert's glowing review, which I disagree with. I mean he called it historical and in the next breath he called it profoundly mistaken. That seems like a contradiction to me. The only thing I agree with about this paragraph is that it casts memorable British actors and that Shakespeare was a figure of compelling interest. "You perhaps know little enough about Shakespeare and next to nothing about the other candidates. That's no reason to avoid this marvelous historical film, which I believe to be profoundly mistaken. Because of the ingenious screenplay by John Orloff, precise direction by Roland Emmerich and the casting of memorable British actors, you can walk into the theater as a blank slate, follow and enjoy the story, and leave convinced ā if of nothing else ā that Shakespeare was a figure of compelling interest."I'm not really sure what he's getting at or how it relates to my opinion of the film, but I do find it humorous to think that after 500 years, the thing that's gonna finally convince someone that the most adapated, famous, and talked about writer of all time is "interesting" is a C tier Roland Emmerich movie where Billy Shakes farts and drinks in the background while some boring royal does all the writing. |
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