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Post by PreachCaleb on Jan 25, 2021 19:24:11 GMT
I'd have no issue with that, except for the fact lots of shows and movies geared towards those same children include heterosexuality with no subtlety. If children can handle Jasmine and Aladdin making out, they could handle if Elsa had a girlfriend. and still to this day the number of man and women pairings outweigh the number of gay pairings in the world population, many faiths over the years have reinforced the concept that man and women should be together and continue to spread more life onto the Earth. So has homosexuality. It's been around far longer than people want to admit. As for being outnumbered, white people outnumber black people in the U.S. Doesn't mean we should exclude them from movies. And religion doesn't matter when it comes to equality. It's 2021. We don't need to look to centuries old books for how to run our lives. There are enough people on the planet as is. We don't need more.
Neither can a lot of heterosexual couples with fertility problems. The issue isn't about showing how a baby is made.
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Post by mrellaguru on Jan 25, 2021 19:42:59 GMT
Let's save time and just cut everybody out of every movie and TV show right now and go back to watching plays.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 25, 2021 19:53:08 GMT
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 25, 2021 19:53:22 GMT
Okay, still doesn't change the fact that her performance has its share of fans. No one said otherwise. But either way, she is not missed from the franchise. 'Kay.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 25, 2021 20:11:33 GMT
That's because heterosexuality has been the norm since the dawn of recorded history and still to this day the number of man and women pairings outweigh the number of gay pairings in the world population, many faiths over the years have reinforced the concept that man and women should be together and continue to spread more life onto the Earth. So has homosexuality. It's been around far longer than people want to admit. As for being outnumbered, white people outnumber black people in the U.S. Doesn't mean we should exclude them from movies. And religion doesn't matter when it comes to equality. It's 2021. We don't need to look to centuries old books for how to run our lives. There are enough people on the planet as is. We don't need more.
Neither can a lot of heterosexual couples with fertility problems. The issue isn't about showing how a baby is made.
Homosexuality has been around for many years( I did not say it wasn't) however it was not the norm for society which is why most storytelling of the past featured heterosexual characters which influenced other media that came into existence as society progressed into the future. Um, where am I saying there should be exclusion? I am saying most people, and this includes homosexuals and trans people, prefer not to have such complex concepts of gay love and transgendered themes in entertainment designed for young minds who are still learning good grammar and basic mathematics, totally fine if its geared for more mature demographics though. I mentioned religion because it has reinforced the concept of heterosexuality for centuries and still holds weight today in 2021, I am not saying one needs to follow the instructions of a religion with how they live their lifestyle I am however saying that it has contributed to the majority of relationships being heterosexual. Well of course a lot of heterosexual couples have fertility problems, but most do not, anyway you're missing my point.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Jan 25, 2021 20:15:15 GMT
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Post by PreachCaleb on Jan 25, 2021 20:19:22 GMT
So has homosexuality. It's been around far longer than people want to admit. As for being outnumbered, white people outnumber black people in the U.S. Doesn't mean we should exclude them from movies. And religion doesn't matter when it comes to equality. It's 2021. We don't need to look to centuries old books for how to run our lives. There are enough people on the planet as is. We don't need more.
Neither can a lot of heterosexual couples with fertility problems. The issue isn't about showing how a baby is made.
Homosexuality has been around for many years( I did not say it wasn't) however it was not the norm for society which is why most storytelling of the past featured heterosexual characters which influenced other media that came into existence as society progressed into the future. Um, where am I saying there should be exclusion? I am saying most people, and this includes homosexuals and trans people, prefer not to have such complex concepts of gay love and transgendered themes in entertainment designed for young minds who are still learning good grammar and basic mathematics, totally fine if its geared for more mature demographics though. I mentioned religion because it has reinforced the concept of heterosexuality for centuries and still holds weight today in 2021, I am not saying one needs to follow the instructions of a religion with how they live their lifestyle I am however saying that it has contributed to the majority of relationships being heterosexual. Well of course a lot of heterosexual couples have fertility problems, but most do not, anyway you're missing my point. For a lot of societies, it was in fact the norm. If a child can handle the concept of straight love, they can handle the concept of gay love. There is no difference. It's just love. Those young minds can handle it. Religion is far to archaic to look in terms of how we should live our lives now. I understand it's contributed to people's outdated views on relationships. I'm just saying there's no need to look to it for how we shape our forms of entertainment. After all, there's premarital relations all over movies and tv shows. You're missing the point. This isn't about how babies are conceived, so it's irrelevant information.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 25, 2021 21:50:46 GMT
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 25, 2021 22:05:06 GMT
Homosexuality has been around for many years( I did not say it wasn't) however it was not the norm for society which is why most storytelling of the past featured heterosexual characters which influenced other media that came into existence as society progressed into the future. Um, where am I saying there should be exclusion? I am saying most people, and this includes homosexuals and trans people, prefer not to have such complex concepts of gay love and transgendered themes in entertainment designed for young minds who are still learning good grammar and basic mathematics, totally fine if its geared for more mature demographics though. I mentioned religion because it has reinforced the concept of heterosexuality for centuries and still holds weight today in 2021, I am not saying one needs to follow the instructions of a religion with how they live their lifestyle I am however saying that it has contributed to the majority of relationships being heterosexual. Well of course a lot of heterosexual couples have fertility problems, but most do not, anyway you're missing my point. For a lot of societies, it was in fact the norm. If a child can handle the concept of straight love, they can handle the concept of gay love. There is no difference. It's just love. Those young minds can handle it. Religion is far to archaic to look in terms of how we should live our lives now. I understand it's contributed to people's outdated views on relationships. I'm just saying there's no need to look to it for how we shape our forms of entertainment. After all, there's premarital relations all over movies and tv shows. You're missing the point. This isn't about how babies are conceived, so it's irrelevant information. In case you have been getting the wrong impression I am not defending people who are against the idea of presenting gays or trans people in media designed for youth and generally all families, I am explain *why* people take issue with it and that they are more comfortable when such concepts are presented in media that is geared towards more *mature* audiences. If *you* think it is alright for your children to watch programming which features homosexual relationships on screen and display concepts of transgenderism then that's fine, I personally think those sorts of concepts are probably better left in more mature programming and if they must be then try to be subtle about it at least and don't dive too far into it - like when Disney's Lloyd in Space had an episode where the titular character and his friends, who live in a space station and are comprised of very few human beings, try to convince a genderless alien to decide which gender they wish to be come their next birthday. In the end, said alien does not explain their gender of choice. The episode works very well still to this day and isn't particularly problematic because the alien does not resemble a human being anyway, but the metaphor is there so when a child matures and begins to better understand the world they'll understand the context better.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Jan 25, 2021 22:20:32 GMT
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Post by PreachCaleb on Jan 25, 2021 22:24:43 GMT
For a lot of societies, it was in fact the norm. If a child can handle the concept of straight love, they can handle the concept of gay love. There is no difference. It's just love. Those young minds can handle it. Religion is far to archaic to look in terms of how we should live our lives now. I understand it's contributed to people's outdated views on relationships. I'm just saying there's no need to look to it for how we shape our forms of entertainment. After all, there's premarital relations all over movies and tv shows. You're missing the point. This isn't about how babies are conceived, so it's irrelevant information. In case you have been getting the wrong impression I am not defending people who are against the idea of presenting gays or trans people in media designed for youth and generally all families, I am explain *why* people take issue with it and that they are more comfortable when such concepts are presented in media that is geared towards more *mature* audiences. If *you* think it is alright for your children to watch programming which features homosexual relationships on screen and display concepts of transgenderism then that's fine, I personally think those sorts of concepts are probably better left in more mature programming and if they must be then try to be subtle about it at least and don't dive too far into it - like when Disney's Lloyd in Space had an episode where the titular character and his friends, who live in a space station and are comprised of very few human beings, try to convince a genderless alien to decide which gender they wish to be come their next birthday. In the end, said alien does not explain their gender of choice. The episode works very well still to this day and isn't particularly problematic because the alien does not resemble a human being anyway, but the metaphor is there so when a child matures and begins to better understand the world they'll understand the context better. I have no issue with that example from Lloyd in Space. My only concern would be any unfortunate implications that anyone who doesn't immediately fall into one of two genders is rendered non-human. It is definitely a more complicated subject to tackle.However, I do have a problem with saying that a child can't handle homosexual relationships that would show no more intimacy than a heterosexual relationship. As I said, if they can handle a prince and princess kissing, there's no reason they can't handle a prince and prince kissing. Their minds are pretty good at learning.
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