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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jan 20, 2021 13:35:16 GMT
Inspired by the “are you rooting for Tom Brady” thread, a question came up as to what Brady’s biggest game has been. Now I don’t remember all the AFC Championship games or in-season games but to me the choice is between two - his first Super Bowl against the Rams or his Super Bowl comeback against the Falcons. Other options - statistically his best game was the loss against the Eagles in LII. Historically the most significant game might be the 1 in the 18-1 year. Is there one game that stands out above the others? Rey?
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jan 20, 2021 13:41:33 GMT
My favorite is Super Bowl 42, with 46 close behind. You could make a case that 42 was the biggest because of what almost was achieved by the evil empire but was thwarted by the righteous scrappy challenger.
But I think I'd say his first Super Bowl against the Rams. That's where his legacy was first being built, and the last time he was legitimately an underdog.
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Post by sdm3 on Jan 20, 2021 13:45:53 GMT
Interesting topic, it makes a change to discuss Tom Brady for once.
It depends on how you read the question. Most significant game? His best performance? The game where he did the most with the least help? The game that highest number of people saw? The game that contributed the most to his legacy?
Anyway, his biggest game was SB42. A chance to clinch the first ever 19-0 season. And he blew it.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jan 20, 2021 13:46:33 GMT
My favorite is Super Bowl 42, with 46 close behind. You could make a case that 42 was the biggest because of what almost was achieved by the evil empire but was thwarted by the righteous scrappy challenger. But I think I'd say his first Super Bowl against the Rams. That's where his legacy was first being built, and the last time he was legitimately an underdog. Technically last I saw the Packers were favored by either 3 or 3.5 so he’s an underdog this year too 😎 |
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Post by Xeliou66 on Jan 20, 2021 14:38:15 GMT
I would say Super Bowl 51 - leading the Pats back from down 28-3 was an amazing accomplishment.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 20, 2021 14:45:23 GMT
Off the top of my head: 1. Super Bowl 51-- Greatest comeback in SB history. At one point the Falcons are up by 21 points and the Falcons players are celebrating on the mic'd up video; one of them says, "They got Tom Brady though." Even up three scores in a Super Bowl, they were afraid. And for good reason. 2. Super Bowl 36-- Led team into FG range with under 2 minutes against the defending champion Rams as a first year starter. 3. Super Bowl 49-- At the time the greatest SB comeback ever, down ten in the 4th qtr against the defending champs with the league's #1 defense 4. Super Bowl 52-- A loss, but still incredible stats- 505 yds and three TDs 5. 2001 AFC Divisional round-- 32-52 312 yds, 0 TDs 1 pick and a rushing TD in a raging blizzard; Down by ten in the 4th qtr. Brady was 8-8 in OT including a 4th down conversion. Not bad for a first year 'game manager.') "We're gonna win tonight, I promise you that," he said to Kraft on the sidelines before the game. Again, this is my favorite Patriots game of all time. Better than the Super Bowls. It snowed like crazy, it was the final game ever played in Foxboro Stadium, I don't know if the game tying kick, into the teeth of a blizzard, was ever more than ten feet off the ground. It was for lack of a better word, magical. 6. 2004 AFC Championship game-- Win at Pittsburgh against the 15-1 Steelers; 207 yds, 2 TDs 7. 2018 AFC Championship-- Win at Arrowhead which became a shootout as the Chiefs scored 24 4th qtr points. 8. 2017 AFC Championship game-- Down by 10 with under 9 minutes to play against the league's #2 defense, playing with a severely injured thumb. 290 yds and 2 TDs that day. Honestly, this should really be much higher on the list but I'm too lazy to go back and make changes. Keep in mind he would go on to throw for 500+ yds in a losing effort at the SB. 9. 2014 Divisional round vs Baltimore-- Down by 14 points twice, Brady went 33-50 for 367 yds and 3 TDs in a comeback win against another top ten defense 10. 2013 week 12 vs. Broncos-- Down 24-0 at halftime, the Pats won 34-31 in OT behind 344 yds and 3 TDs from Brady; Manning only threw for 150 yds because the wind was absolutely whipping that night. Honorable Mentions: 2009 week 7 vs Titans-- Pats win 59-0 in a snowstorm, Brady went 29-34 for 380 and 6 TDs (5 in the second qtr alone!). Brady had more TDs than incompletions. In a snowstorm. The game didn't mean much, but a performance like that has to be mentioned. 2011 AFC Divisional Round vs Broncos-- Pats win 45-10 as Brady goes for 363 and 6 TDs. 2015 AFC Championship game vs Broncos-- Pats lose 20-18 in Denver as Brady goes for 310 and a TD along with 2 picks while taking 20+ hits by the Denver defense that would carry old noodle arm to the title that year. Down by 8 in the 4th qtr and as we would find out later concussed, Brady led a final comeback drive including a long completion to Gronk on a 4th & 10 that culminated in a TD with :12 seconds left. Pats couldn't convert the 2 pt try, but it was an absolute warrior performance against an all time defense. Again, this is the stuff that springs to mind. The guy has almost 50 more regular season wins than the dudes tied for 2nd place, he has 39 4th qtr comebacks and won 32 playoff games and 6 Super Bowls, so there's plenty of room for debate as to which games were the 'biggest.' These are the ones that stand out to me as far as Brady performances go. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 20, 2021 14:47:07 GMT
Interesting topic, it makes a change to discuss Tom Brady for once. It depends on how you read the question. Most significant game? His best performance? The game where he did the most with the least help? The game that highest number of people saw? The game that contributed the most to his legacy? Anyway, his biggest game was SB42. A chance to clinch the first ever 19-0 season. And he blew it. Took the lead with under 3 minutes to play. Belichick strikes again!
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jan 20, 2021 14:50:21 GMT
Off the top of my head: 1. Super Bowl 51-- Greatest comeback in SB history. At one point the Falcons are up by 21 points and the Falcons players are celebrating on the mic'd up video; one of them says, "They got Tom Brady though." Even up three scores in a Super Bowl, they were afraid. And for good reason. 2. Super Bowl 36-- Led team into FG range with under 2 minutes against the defending champion Rams as a first year starter. 3. Super Bowl 49-- At the time the greatest SB comeback ever, down ten in the 4th qtr against the defending champs with the league's #1 defense 4. Super Bowl 52-- A loss, but still incredible stats- 505 yds and three TDs 5. 2001 AFC Divisional round-- 32-52 312 yds, 0 TDs 1 pick and a rushing TD in a raging blizzard; Down by ten in the 4th qtr. Brady was 8-8 in OT including a 4th down conversion. Not bad for a first year 'game manager.') "We're gonna win tonight, I promise you that," he said to Kraft on the sidelines before the game. Again, this is my favorite Patriots game of all time. Better than the Super Bowls. It snowed like crazy, it was the final game ever played in Foxboro Stadium, I don't know if the game winning kick, into the teeth of a blizzard, was ever more than ten feet off the ground. It was for lack of a better word, magical. 6. 2004 AFC Championship game-- Win at Pittsburgh against the 15-1 Steelers; 207 yds, 2 TDs 7. 2018 AFC Championship-- Win at Arrowhead which became a shootout as the Chiefs scored 24 4th qtr points. 8. 2017 AFC Championship game-- Down by 10 with under 9 minutes to play against the league's #2 defense, playing with a severely injured thumb. 290 yds and 2 TDs that day. Honestly, this should really be much higher on the list but I'm too lazy to go back and make changes. Keep in mind he would go on to throw for 500+ yds in a losing effort at the SB. 9. 2014 Divisional round vs Baltimore-- Down by 14 points twice, Brady went 33-50 for 367 yds and 3 TDs in a comeback win against another top ten defense 10. 2013 week 12 vs. Broncos-- Down 24-0 at halftime, the Pats won 34-31 in OT behind 344 yds and 3 TDs from Brady; Manning only threw for 150 yds because the wind was absolutely whipping that night. Honorable Mentions: 2009 week 7 vs Titans-- Pats win 59-0 in a snowstorm, Brady went 29-34 for 380 and 6 TDs 5 in the second qtr alone!). Brady had more TDs than incompletions. In a snowstorm. The game didn't mean much, but a performance like that has to be mentioned. 2011 AFC Divisional Round vs Broncos-- Pats win 45-10 as Brady goes for 363 and 6 TDs. 2015 AFC Championship game vs Broncos-- Pats lose 20-12 in Denver as Brady goes for 310 and a TD along with 2 picks while taking 20+ hits by the Denver defense that would carry old noodle arm to the title that year. Down by 8 in the 4th qtr and as we would find out later concussed, Brady led a final comeback drive including a long completion to Gronk on a 4th & 10 that culminated in a TD with :12 seconds left. Pats couldn't convert the 2 pt try, but it was an absolute warrior performance against an all time defense. Again, this is the stuff that springs to mind. The guy has almost 50 more regular season wins than the dudes tied for 2nd place, he has 39 4th qtr comebacks and won 32 playoff games and 6 Super Bowls, so there's plenty of room for debate as to which games were the 'biggest.' These are the ones that stand out to me as far as Brady performances go. Is the assumption that 'big' only refers to games that he won then? |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 20, 2021 14:54:55 GMT
You know what's hilarious? I forgot to mention Super Bowl 38. Brady threw for 354 and 3 TDs in the comeback win; and they had to put up 18 in the 4th as the Panthers put up 19 in that qtr. That has to be on the top ten somewhere, it just has to be.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 20, 2021 14:56:27 GMT
Off the top of my head: 1. Super Bowl 51-- Greatest comeback in SB history. At one point the Falcons are up by 21 points and the Falcons players are celebrating on the mic'd up video; one of them says, "They got Tom Brady though." Even up three scores in a Super Bowl, they were afraid. And for good reason. 2. Super Bowl 36-- Led team into FG range with under 2 minutes against the defending champion Rams as a first year starter. 3. Super Bowl 49-- At the time the greatest SB comeback ever, down ten in the 4th qtr against the defending champs with the league's #1 defense 4. Super Bowl 52-- A loss, but still incredible stats- 505 yds and three TDs 5. 2001 AFC Divisional round-- 32-52 312 yds, 0 TDs 1 pick and a rushing TD in a raging blizzard; Down by ten in the 4th qtr. Brady was 8-8 in OT including a 4th down conversion. Not bad for a first year 'game manager.') "We're gonna win tonight, I promise you that," he said to Kraft on the sidelines before the game. Again, this is my favorite Patriots game of all time. Better than the Super Bowls. It snowed like crazy, it was the final game ever played in Foxboro Stadium, I don't know if the game winning kick, into the teeth of a blizzard, was ever more than ten feet off the ground. It was for lack of a better word, magical. 6. 2004 AFC Championship game-- Win at Pittsburgh against the 15-1 Steelers; 207 yds, 2 TDs 7. 2018 AFC Championship-- Win at Arrowhead which became a shootout as the Chiefs scored 24 4th qtr points. 8. 2017 AFC Championship game-- Down by 10 with under 9 minutes to play against the league's #2 defense, playing with a severely injured thumb. 290 yds and 2 TDs that day. Honestly, this should really be much higher on the list but I'm too lazy to go back and make changes. Keep in mind he would go on to throw for 500+ yds in a losing effort at the SB. 9. 2014 Divisional round vs Baltimore-- Down by 14 points twice, Brady went 33-50 for 367 yds and 3 TDs in a comeback win against another top ten defense 10. 2013 week 12 vs. Broncos-- Down 24-0 at halftime, the Pats won 34-31 in OT behind 344 yds and 3 TDs from Brady; Manning only threw for 150 yds because the wind was absolutely whipping that night. Honorable Mentions: 2009 week 7 vs Titans-- Pats win 59-0 in a snowstorm, Brady went 29-34 for 380 and 6 TDs 5 in the second qtr alone!). Brady had more TDs than incompletions. In a snowstorm. The game didn't mean much, but a performance like that has to be mentioned. 2011 AFC Divisional Round vs Broncos-- Pats win 45-10 as Brady goes for 363 and 6 TDs. 2015 AFC Championship game vs Broncos-- Pats lose 20-12 in Denver as Brady goes for 310 and a TD along with 2 picks while taking 20+ hits by the Denver defense that would carry old noodle arm to the title that year. Down by 8 in the 4th qtr and as we would find out later concussed, Brady led a final comeback drive including a long completion to Gronk on a 4th & 10 that culminated in a TD with :12 seconds left. Pats couldn't convert the 2 pt try, but it was an absolute warrior performance against an all time defense. Again, this is the stuff that springs to mind. The guy has almost 50 more regular season wins than the dudes tied for 2nd place, he has 39 4th qtr comebacks and won 32 playoff games and 6 Super Bowls, so there's plenty of room for debate as to which games were the 'biggest.' These are the ones that stand out to me as far as Brady performances go. Is the assumption that 'big' only refers to games that he won then? I listed two losses, one of them is #4. You can make your own list and use as many losses as you like.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jan 20, 2021 15:02:27 GMT
Is the assumption that 'big' only refers to games that he won then? I listed two losses, one of them is #4. You can make your own list and use as many losses as you like. I'd love to include a bunch of big losses. I wish there were more to choose from. So to correct: Is this assuming that a 'big' game only refers to excellent performances then? From the perspective of a self involved Giants fan it's hard to imagine anyone arguing that the enormity of upsetting the only 19-0 perfect season would not be listed amongst the biggest games. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 20, 2021 15:17:58 GMT
I listed two losses, one of them is #4. You can make your own list and use as many losses as you like. I'd love to include a bunch of big losses. I wish there were more to choose from. So to correct: Is this assuming that a 'big' game only refers to excellent performances then? From the perspective of a self involved Giants fan it's hard to imagine anyone arguing that the enormity of upsetting the only 19-0 perfect season would not be listed amongst the biggest games. Yeah 'Big Game' to me meant which games are his best. His stats in that game weren't great, but it should be noted he threw the go ahead TD pass with under 3 minutes to go. The weight of an undefeated season on his shoulders and he came through, too bad Belichick can't say the same. Maybe I should've put it in the top ten. Technically, this list should only be Super Bowls and Conference championship games because those are, historically speaking, the 'biggest' games in any season or any player's career. I just found that too constrictive.
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Post by stickman38 on Jan 20, 2021 15:30:38 GMT
Tuck rule game (2001 AFC divisional game) has to be his biggest. What clearly looked like a fumble, turned out not to be. Brady goes on to become a Super Bowl champ that year and eventually the GOAT. But without that one game, Brady might have faded into oblivion and forgotten. And thats football, one or two plays can often change the outcome of someone's career.
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Post by sdm3 on Jan 20, 2021 15:35:50 GMT
I'd love to include a bunch of big losses. I wish there were more to choose from. So to correct: Is this assuming that a 'big' game only refers to excellent performances then? From the perspective of a self involved Giants fan it's hard to imagine anyone arguing that the enormity of upsetting the only 19-0 perfect season would not be listed amongst the biggest games. Yeah 'Big Game' to me meant which games are his best. His stats in that game weren't great, but it should be noted he threw the go ahead TD pass with under 3 minutes to go. The weight of an undefeated season on his shoulders and he came through, too bad Belichick can't say the same. Maybe I should've put it in the top ten. Technically, this list should only be Super Bowls and Conference championship games because those are, historically speaking, the 'biggest' games in any season or any player's career. I just found that too constrictive. The offense scored 14 points; you call that “coming through”? |
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jan 20, 2021 15:40:53 GMT
Yeah 'Big Game' to me meant which games are his best. His stats in that game weren't great, but it should be noted he threw the go ahead TD pass with under 3 minutes to go. The weight of an undefeated season on his shoulders and he came through, too bad Belichick can't say the same. Maybe I should've put it in the top ten. Technically, this list should only be Super Bowls and Conference championship games because those are, historically speaking, the 'biggest' games in any season or any player's career. I just found that too constrictive. The offense scored 14 points; you call that “coming through”?  Note: it bothers me that this image is not from when Brady actually said this, but I didn't see that image with that caption anywhere.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 20, 2021 15:44:53 GMT
Yeah 'Big Game' to me meant which games are his best. His stats in that game weren't great, but it should be noted he threw the go ahead TD pass with under 3 minutes to go. The weight of an undefeated season on his shoulders and he came through, too bad Belichick can't say the same. Maybe I should've put it in the top ten. Technically, this list should only be Super Bowls and Conference championship games because those are, historically speaking, the 'biggest' games in any season or any player's career. I just found that too constrictive. The offense scored 14 points; you call that “coming through”? I call taking the lead with under 3 minutes coming through. If he hadn't completed a single pass up until the end of the game and threw a hail mary to win it, that would be coming through, wouldn't it? You argue the defense won them the Super Bowl in 2018 when they wouldn't even have gotten there if it weren't for Brady. The Chiefs scored 24 points in the 4th quarter alone and you posted an article saying how great the defense was that post season. Yeah they really came through that day. Belichick's defense really came through in Super Bowl 42. His coaching has really come through over the years without Brady, hasn't it?
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Post by sdm3 on Jan 20, 2021 16:17:19 GMT
The offense scored 14 points; you call that “coming through”? I call taking the lead with under 3 minutes coming through. If he hadn't completed a single pass up until the end of the game and threw a hail mary to win it, that would be coming through, wouldn't it? You argue the defense won them the Super Bowl in 2018 when they wouldn't even have gotten there if it weren't for Brady. The Chiefs scored 24 points in the 4th quarter alone and you posted an article saying how great the defense was that post season. Yeah they really came through that day. Belichick's defense really came through in Super Bowl 42. His coaching has really come through over the years without Brady, hasn't it? What does that have to do with SB 53 itself? You argue that the offense won them the Super Bowl in 2003... when the defense picked off Peyton Manning four times the previous round... but I'm sure that had nothing to do with Belichick lol... Right Rey? Maybe Brady took over on defense that day? That would explain why he didn't get a whole lot done on his side of the ball. Anyway, I don't blame you for wanting to change the subject away from SB 42. Old saying in life, folks. Lead your all-time great offense to more than 14 points against a wild card team in the Super Bowl before you start pointing fingers at your defense. "Lord Brady" - Oof. 
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 20, 2021 16:28:55 GMT
I call taking the lead with under 3 minutes coming through. If he hadn't completed a single pass up until the end of the game and threw a hail mary to win it, that would be coming through, wouldn't it? You argue the defense won them the Super Bowl in 2018 when they wouldn't even have gotten there if it weren't for Brady. The Chiefs scored 24 points in the 4th quarter alone and you posted an article saying how great the defense was that post season. Yeah they really came through that day. Belichick's defense really came through in Super Bowl 42. His coaching has really come through over the years without Brady, hasn't it? What does that have to do with SB 53 itself? You argue that the offense won them the Super Bowl in 2003... when the defense picked off Peyton Manning four times the previous round... but I'm sure that had nothing to do with Belichick lol... Right Rey? Maybe Brady took over on defense that day? That would explain why he didn't get a whole lot done on his side of the ball. Anyway, I don't blame you for wanting to change the subject away from SB 42. Old saying in life, folks. Lead your all-time great offense to more than 14 points against a wild card team in the Super Bowl before you start pointing fingers at your defense. "Lord Brady" - Oof. How many playoff losses does Manning have? Turns out it isn't too hard to beat ol' Peyton in the playoffs. 14-13 with 9 one and dones. But Belichick is a genius for doing it? Why did he go 5-11 in 2000 with the same group of players? What got them to buy in from 2001 and beyond that wasn't present in 2000? Let's get back to Super Bowl 42 then. I've said many times on this board that they choked, they including Brady. I didn't list that among his best games for a reason, as I explained to goons. Still, the fact is Brady threw a TD pass to get the lead with under three minutes left. You want me to say it was a shit game by Brady, fine, I will. Still gave them the lead with under three minutes. Save your oofs for the fucking bum head coach with a losing record without Brady.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jan 20, 2021 17:40:44 GMT
28-3... accomplishing the near impossible.
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Post by millar70 on Jan 21, 2021 0:26:29 GMT
The Tuck Rule game, easily.
Without the refs handing the Pats that game, who knows if the Pats dynasty even happens.....
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