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Post by masterofallgoons on Jan 20, 2021 21:04:55 GMT
I dont understand where the narrative that he didn't have good enough talent around him came from. It's nuts. Chargers didn't have all that many all-pros, and few around 2014. Gates, Tomlinson, Merriman, Dielman, Gordon, McNeill, Osgood, Neil, Jamal Williams, V. Jackson, Weddle, R. Matthews, Stuckey, Verett, Hayward, K.Allen, Ingram, Bosa, a few others. Seems like a pretty good list to me. I'd say he was really fortunate with the talent around him particularly in his early career. I've heard this argument before and I recall those teams always being talked about as favorites and having exemplary rosters. I feel like he had a great deal of talent and I think people just say this now because the results didn't meet those high expectations. |
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Post by millar70 on Jan 20, 2021 21:26:46 GMT
One of my all-time favorite football players. The game is much better when you got guys like Phillip Rivers playing, guys that love football the way he does.
Wished he could have won one with the Chargers, he had the bad fortune to play in the same conference as Tom Brady in his prime. Those Chargers teams just could never get past those Patriots teams.
As far as Hall of Fame goes, I could care less. What you actually do in the field of play has less and less meaning as far as getting into any Hall of Fame, so really the whole charade is getting less and less meaningful.
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Post by Marv on Jan 20, 2021 21:46:26 GMT
With all the upcoming free time he can finally settle down and have some children.  |
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Post by NJtoTX on Jan 20, 2021 22:34:39 GMT
Chargers didn't have all that many all-pros, and few around 2014. Gates, Tomlinson, Merriman, Dielman, Gordon, McNeill, Osgood, Neil, Jamal Williams, V. Jackson, Weddle, R. Matthews, Stuckey, Verett, Hayward, K.Allen, Ingram, Bosa, a few others. That’s not many? If you look year by year over his career. www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sdg/all-pros.htm |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 20, 2021 23:12:50 GMT
One of my all-time favorite football players. The game is much better when you got guys like Phillip Rivers playing, guys that love football the way he does. Wished he could have won one with the Chargers, he had the bad fortune to play in the same conference as Tom Brady in his prime. Those Chargers teams just could never get past those Patriots teams. As far as Hall of Fame goes, I could care less. What you actually do in the field of play has less and less meaning as far as getting into any Hall of Fame, so really the whole charade is getting less and less meaningful. I've never been big on Hall of Fame arguments, in any sport really. If I admire the way a guy played the game, he's in my personal HOF, and that's all that matters to me as a fan.
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Post by NJtoTX on Jan 20, 2021 23:38:04 GMT
The other HOF QBs who didn't get to a Super Bowl were Moon and Fouts.
Moon won 5 Grey Cups in Canada in 6 years before even getting to the NFL at age 28. Fouts probably should not be in.
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Post by millar70 on Jan 20, 2021 23:43:12 GMT
The other HOF QBs who didn't get to a Super Bowl were Moon and Fouts. Moon won 5 Grey Cups in Canada in 6 years before even getting to the NFL at age 28. Fouts probably should not be in. Anyone who watched Dan Fouts knows he was a Hall of Fame quarterback. |
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Post by NJtoTX on Jan 21, 2021 0:04:55 GMT
The other HOF QBs who didn't get to a Super Bowl were Moon and Fouts. Moon won 5 Grey Cups in Canada in 6 years before even getting to the NFL at age 28. Fouts probably should not be in. Anyone who watched Dan Fouts knows he was a Hall of Fame quarterback. Yeah, he passed the eye test. Not great stats, though a different time, and worse in the postseason. www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FoutDa00.htm
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Post by millar70 on Jan 21, 2021 0:13:39 GMT
His luck was bad. The one time where I thought for sure they were going to the Super Bowl, they have to play the AFC championship game in Cincinnati on a day where it was about -45°. I know, both teams had to play in it, but obviously Cincy was a bit more used to cold weather. The Chargers had no chance in that game. Too bad, we missed out on a potential Fouts/Montana Super Bowl matchup. |
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Post by Winston Wolfe on Jan 21, 2021 6:24:21 GMT
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Post by GiantFan1980 on Jan 21, 2021 8:37:47 GMT
Well. That was kinda pointless Indianapolis!
Sorry for being blunt. I'm tired. Just bugs me when these old players go to another team for one season then bow out. Kinda feels like they just left their new team holding their dicks.
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Post by GiantFan1980 on Jan 21, 2021 8:44:04 GMT
I dont understand where the narrative that he didn't have good enough talent around him came from. It's nuts. That 2018 Chargers team was looking like his last serious shot at a Super Bowl run, and the team completely no showed/gave up in that Divisional game as they got completely blown out from opening bell. Everybody was off and Rivers looked pissed (understandable).
Chargers had the talent and when they would get to the playoffs they would more or less lay an egg each time. I know they had to contend with the Patriots at their peak and the Steelers and Ravens, but with the talent they had it seemed like they should of been able to fart out ONE Lombardi!
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Post by GiantFan1980 on Jan 21, 2021 8:48:13 GMT
With all the upcoming free time he can finally settle down and have some children. New expansion team: The Colorado Rivers
The entire team is made up of Phillip Rivers kids!
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Post by Toy-Cannon on Jan 21, 2021 10:16:46 GMT
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Post by NJtoTX on Jan 21, 2021 13:00:57 GMT
Doc, but he's considering coaching.
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Post by tristramshandy on Jan 21, 2021 16:41:54 GMT
One of my all-time favorite football players. The game is much better when you got guys like Phillip Rivers playing, guys that love football the way he does. Wished he could have won one with the Chargers, he had the bad fortune to play in the same conference as Tom Brady in his prime. Those Chargers teams just could never get past those Patriots teams. As far as Hall of Fame goes, I could care less. What you actually do in the field of play has less and less meaning as far as getting into any Hall of Fame, so really the whole charade is getting less and less meaningful. I've never been big on Hall of Fame arguments, in any sport really. If I admire the way a guy played the game, he's in my personal HOF, and that's all that matters to me as a fan. Is there a personal ceremony? Are Mike Greenwell and Stanley Morgan enshrined?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 21, 2021 16:59:17 GMT
I've never been big on Hall of Fame arguments, in any sport really. If I admire the way a guy played the game, he's in my personal HOF, and that's all that matters to me as a fan. Is there a personal ceremony? Are Mike Greenwell and Stanley Morgan enshrined? I keep inviting athletes, but nobody shows up. I should probably stop letting Jared Porter be in charge of the invitation content.
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Post by NJtoTX on Jan 21, 2021 18:17:52 GMT
Cowherd would not have Rivers, Eli, Warner, Stafford, Gore, Sayers, or Terrell Davis in.
Made up some useless formula about having to be top 5 for two contracts - 8 years for QBs and 7 for running backs.
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Post by sdm3 on Jan 21, 2021 18:21:48 GMT
Cowherd would not have Rivers, Eli, Warner, Stafford, Gore, Sayers, or Terrell Davis in. Made up some useless formula about having to be top 5 for two contracts - 8 years for QBs and 7 for running backs. I've never been more convinced that Rivers is a Hall of Famer.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 21, 2021 18:28:29 GMT
Are we sure he isn't going to make any more music, with Weezer or otherwise?
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