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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 26, 2021 9:53:43 GMT
Watched this again recently for the umpteenth time and have always enjoyed. Won't go into opinion or detail at this stage, as that can flow. There is one aspect though that does bug me a tad:
The charge of murder and conspiracy to commit murder were what were laid before the Jag court due to the plea deal not being accepted by the accused. The generous plea deal was only decided upon due to the information uncovered that Dawson and Downey were given orders to enact upon a Code Red. If this was the case, why was it felt that the murder charge was still relevant or could arguably be won by the prosecution for trial by jury, when this was something that was bound to be addressed by the defence and was. Wouldn't this have mitigated the seriousness of the charge for which they were on trial for from the beginning?
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 26, 2021 10:03:29 GMT
I don't know enough about law to answer this in any real way, but doesn't the DA usually push for all charges if a plea deal is refused?
From memory, doesn't Kevin Bacon want to make an example of them after they turn down the plea deal and wasn't he reluctant to give them a plea deal in the first place?
I might be remembering wrong.
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 26, 2021 10:17:49 GMT
For those who don't know, this was Aaron Sorkin's first screenplay.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 26, 2021 10:27:59 GMT
I don't know enough about law to answer this in any real way, but doesn't the DA usually push for all charges if a plea deal is refused?
From memory, doesn't Kevin Bacon want to make an example of them after they turn down the plea deal and wasn't he reluctant to give them a plea deal in the first place? I might be remembering wrong. That could be a true statement, yet it doesn't change the fact that the Code Red was still an order that was being followed. Like one of the defence team commented about the accused actions, they picked on someone weaker than them and tormented and tortured him and the rest of it was just smoke filled coffee house crap. The rest was just the mechanisms of the legalities behind it. Bacon even addressed the jury that the facts are undisputable and that they soaked a rag in poison first. There was no evidence to prove that either.
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 26, 2021 10:47:02 GMT
I don't know enough about law to answer this in any real way, but doesn't the DA usually push for all charges if a plea deal is refused?
From memory, doesn't Kevin Bacon want to make an example of them after they turn down the plea deal and wasn't he reluctant to give them a plea deal in the first place? I might be remembering wrong. That could be a true statement, yet it doesn't change the fact that the Code Red was still an order that was being followed. Like one of the defence team commented about the accused actions, they picked on someone weaker than them and tormented and tortured him and the rest of it was just smoke filled coffee house crap. The rest was just the mechanisms of the legalities behind it. Bacon even addressed the jury that the facts are undisputable and that they soaked a rag in poison first. There was no evidence to prove that either. I'd need to watch the movie again in order to respond to the rest of the stuff that you bring up. Movies about court cases tend to exaggerate things for dramatic effect. I wouldn't put much stock in the realism of these movies.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 28, 2021 8:42:41 GMT
That could be a true statement, yet it doesn't change the fact that the Code Red was still an order that was being followed. Like one of the defence team commented about the accused actions, they picked on someone weaker than them and tormented and tortured him and the rest of it was just smoke filled coffee house crap. The rest was just the mechanisms of the legalities behind it. Bacon even addressed the jury that the facts are undisputable and that they soaked a rag in poison first. There was no evidence to prove that either. I'd need to watch the movie again in order to respond to the rest of the stuff that you bring up. Movies about court cases tend to exaggerate things for dramatic effect. I wouldn't put much stock in the realism of these movies. Yes, you are probably right. The film used its plot construct to add some sensationalism. I have seen the film many times and like its themes, this was something I hadn't really questioned before though on previous viewings.
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Post by Vits on Jan 28, 2021 10:41:34 GMT
9/10
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Post by politicidal on Jan 28, 2021 15:48:20 GMT
Classic courtroom drama. Love the cast and trial theatrics.
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Post by janntosh on Jan 28, 2021 15:50:24 GMT
Good movie but Jessup is the real good guy so the ending where he is arrested is hard to watch
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 30, 2021 5:54:05 GMT
Good movie but Jessup is the real good guy so the ending where he is arrested is hard to watch Like any ruling established institute, the lines can get blurred as to who are the good or bad guys, especially when it comes to the defense force. Where they are operating from, they believe to be doing the right and just thing.
With Jessup though, it was more about ethical actions and truths that he twisted to bolster his own image of self-importance. He also lied under oath and was supposed to represent honor and integrity as he liked to promote himself. He go caught under his own hypocrisy.
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