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Post by moviemouth on Feb 10, 2021 2:48:59 GMT
Because I dislike most people. A lot of people do but does that really warrant a species-wide extinction event? Do you recognize the right of others to live, even if you dislike them? Yes, that is why I wouldn't personally cause the extinction of humanity even if I had that capability. Does it warrant a extinction event? I don't know, does 5000 years of evil warrant our extinction? I think so. No more human beings, no more human suffering and extinction would be the ultimate fairness. It doesn't care if you are smart or dumb, rich or poor, what race you are, what gender you are etc.
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Post by permutojoe on Feb 10, 2021 2:53:27 GMT
A lot of people do but does that really warrant a species-wide extinction event? Do you recognize the right of others to live, even if you dislike them?Yes, that is why I wouldn't personally cause the extinction of humanity even if I had that capability. Does it warrant a extinction event? I don't know, does 5000 years of evil warrant our extinction? I think so. No more human beings, no more human suffering and extinction would be the ultimate fairness. It doesn't care if you are smart or dumb, rich or poor, what race you are, what gender you are etc. We have the potential for so much more though. What if 5000+ years is a drop in the bucket and we need a lot more to make the needed changes? You could be wiping out so much good, happiness, etc. to come further down the line.
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Post by moviemouth on Feb 10, 2021 2:57:09 GMT
Yes, that is why I wouldn't personally cause the extinction of humanity even if I had that capability. Does it warrant a extinction event? I don't know, does 5000 years of evil warrant our extinction? I think so. No more human beings, no more human suffering and extinction would be the ultimate fairness. It doesn't care if you are smart or dumb, rich or poor, what race you are, what gender you are etc. We have the potential for so much more though. What if 5000+ years is a drop in the bucket and we need a lot more to make the needed changes? You could be wiping out so much good, happiness, etc. to come further down the line. Is it possible? Yes, but I don't think it is likely. Either way, whatever I think about it doesn't matter. I have a very idiosyncratic view of life and I am well aware of my bias. Humanity will go extinct imo, it is just a matter of time.
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Post by moviemouth on Feb 10, 2021 3:05:59 GMT
Yes, that is why I wouldn't personally cause the extinction of humanity even if I had that capability. Does it warrant a extinction event? I don't know, does 5000 years of evil warrant our extinction? I think so. No more human beings, no more human suffering and extinction would be the ultimate fairness. It doesn't care if you are smart or dumb, rich or poor, what race you are, what gender you are etc. We have the potential for so much more though. What if 5000+ years is a drop in the bucket and we need a lot more to make the needed changes? You could be wiping out so much good, happiness, etc. to come further down the line. It also has to do with my own apathy and I am always in conflict between apathy and empathy in my own mind. I'd say I am more indifferent than anything, but my annoyance at humanity draws me towards apathy more than empathy. I am in favor of the voluntary extinction movement. That is where people decide not to procreate anymore until there are no humans left. I personally don't understand why anyone would want to bring children into the world, besides their own selfish reasons and the basic evolutionary instinct that is built into us. I have a certain resentment towards my parents for bringing me into the world.
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Post by Archelaus on Feb 10, 2021 18:11:57 GMT
It's a matter of faith, but I believe in heaven and hell. Paul even writes that there's a "third heaven" in 2 Corinthians 12 indicating there are two lower levels. Genesis 1 begins with the words: "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth." That heaven indicates the Earth's atmosphere. The second heaven indicates the solar system (described as "stars of the heavens and their constellations" in Isaiah 13). The third heaven is, of course, the spiritual realm where the souls of moral people go to reside after they die.
I don't think hell requires any explanation, but the imagery of it frightens me.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Feb 10, 2021 18:57:05 GMT
It's a matter of faith, but I believe in heaven and hell. Paul even writes that there's a "third heaven" in 2 Corinthians 12 indicating there are two lower levels. Genesis 1 begins with the words: "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth." That heaven indicates the Earth's atmosphere. Presumably since this is in the plural it indicates the atmospheres of all planets then - including that, say, of Venus - where it rains sulphuric acid. It is just a shame that there is only one star in the solar system, while constellations is not typically applied in a planetary context. Five planets — Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn were known to the ancients. To the unaided eye, yes, these planets appear star like. However, the planets moved relative to the stars and were distinguished by our ancestors.
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Post by Archelaus on Feb 10, 2021 20:57:36 GMT
It's a matter of faith, but I believe in heaven and hell. Paul even writes that there's a "third heaven" in 2 Corinthians 12 indicating there are two lower levels. Genesis 1 begins with the words: "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth." That heaven indicates the Earth's atmosphere. Presumably since this is in the plural it indicates the atmospheres of all planets then - including that, say, of Venus - where it rains sulphuric acid. It is just a shame that there is only one star in the solar system, while constellations is not typically applied in a planetary context. Five planets — Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn were known to the ancients. To the unaided eye, yes, these planets appear star like. However, the planets moved relative to the stars and were distinguished by our ancestors. Yes, I'm positive the writer of Isaiah was referring to some of the planets as "stars of the heavens". Babylonian astronomy was the prevalent school of thought at the time, and astrology was known back then as referenced later in Isaiah 47:13.
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Post by movieliker on Feb 12, 2021 1:49:27 GMT
What do you think happens after you die?
Nothing? A deep sleep?
Reincarnation?
If you believe in heaven - surely you believe in hell, no?
Where do you think you're going? What do you think each is like?
The thought of 'nothingness' scares me to an extent. But why should it?
Personally I think I'll be in purgatory atoning for my sins before I ascend to heaven
I believe you go to Heaven if you've been good, Hell if you've been bad. Limbo is for babies that haven't been baptized.
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Post by permutojoe on Feb 12, 2021 1:52:57 GMT
We have the potential for so much more though. What if 5000+ years is a drop in the bucket and we need a lot more to make the needed changes? You could be wiping out so much good, happiness, etc. to come further down the line. Is it possible? Yes, but I don't think it is likely. Either way, whatever I think about it doesn't matter. I have a very idiosyncratic view of life and I am well aware of my bias. Humanity will go extinct imo, it is just a matter of time. I disagree. If we can find a way to get better rulers, governments, etc, we could be capable of so much more. Gotta get rid of the power hungry sociopathic riff raff tho. That's for sure.
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Post by moviemouth on Feb 12, 2021 1:57:16 GMT
Is it possible? Yes, but I don't think it is likely. Either way, whatever I think about it doesn't matter. I have a very idiosyncratic view of life and I am well aware of my bias. Humanity will go extinct imo, it is just a matter of time. I disagree. If we can find a way to get better rulers, governments, etc, we could be capable of so much more. Gotta get rid of the power hungry sociopathic riff raff tho. That's for sure. I just don't care anymore. I no longer know what to believe or if reality is real. I think my sanity might be going out the window btw. I choose to escape to the reality inside of my mind and then die.
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Post by movieliker on Feb 12, 2021 1:59:15 GMT
This is also my fear
At times I struggle with my faith and think -
Why not just live it up and party?
Drink, eat and be merry Because movieman might be wrong. You want to take that chance?
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Post by moviemouth on Feb 12, 2021 2:00:17 GMT
This is also my fear
At times I struggle with my faith and think -
Why not just live it up and party?
Drink, eat and be merry Because movieman might be wrong. You want to take that chance? I'm not telling anyone to listen to me. People need to go their own way.
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Post by movieliker on Feb 12, 2021 2:02:03 GMT
Because movieman might be wrong. You want to take that chance? I'm not telling anyone to listen to me. People need to go their own way. I know. I was answering frogs question.
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Post by moviemouth on Feb 12, 2021 2:03:38 GMT
I'm not telling anyone to listen to me. People need to go their own way. I know. I was answering frogs question. Just being clear.
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Post by movieliker on Feb 12, 2021 2:04:00 GMT
What is your fear? Partying is overrated and gets old real fast. Nothingness.....
But is this really something to fear?
It's just a forever sleep
I'll be dead
Nothingness has no pain. So, what are you afraid of?
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Post by movieliker on Feb 12, 2021 2:05:41 GMT
I know. I was answering frogs question. Just being clear. You said you didn't know what to believe? Why not believe in doing the right thing is best, regardless of whether or not there is a God and afterlife?
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Post by movieliker on Feb 12, 2021 2:08:47 GMT
It scares just about everyone. Evolution has given you the will to live and the will to procreate. Those that don’t have those traits are less likely to live to a ripe old age and less likely to pass on their genes. The “scare” gene has a higher likelihood of being passed down and down and down. (Just like the beauty gene has a higher chance of inheritance than the genes of the ugly-naked guy that lives next door.) Those that get really scared turn to anyone that promises them eternal life. Voila, religion is born. The beauty of religion is that if they're wrong, you won't be able to sue them for false promises. There are people who have no fear of death, but I realize you are speaking generally. I have very little fear of death, but I still have the will to keep living. I have no will to procreate though. Evolution skipped over that with me. I have no will to procreate either.
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Post by moviemouth on Feb 12, 2021 2:15:51 GMT
You said you didn't know what to believe? Why not believe in doing the right thing is best, regardless of whether or not there is a God and afterlife? I do believe that to an extent. Best for who btw? I believe that I am ultimately the person who matters most. Everything is filtered through me. I didn't mean I don't know what to believe about anything. I believe that nobody chooses what they believe. You either believe something or you don't. When you start questioning everything it can lead to believing nothing. It's scary.
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Post by movieliker on Feb 12, 2021 2:18:39 GMT
You said you didn't know what to believe? Why not believe in doing the right thing is best, regardless of whether or not there is a God and afterlife? I do believe that to an extent. Best for who btw? I believe that I am ultimately the only person who matters. I didn't mean I don't know what to believe about anything. Best for you. I don't believe you are the only one that matters. But ultimately "you" is your number one responsibility. But you can help yourself by helping others.
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Post by moviemouth on Feb 12, 2021 2:20:01 GMT
I do believe that to an extent. Best for who btw? I believe that I am ultimately the only person who matters. I didn't mean I don't know what to believe about anything. Best for you. I don't believe you are the only one that matters. But ultimately you is your number one responsibility. But you can help yourself by helping others. Sure, if you care about your well being. I am not too concerned about my own well being. I have thought about everything there is to think about btw. I think about this stuff a lot.
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