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Post by ArArArchStanton on May 13, 2017 18:04:40 GMT
Doesn't feel or look like the other three DC outings? What do you mean, it's incredibly grey. WW herself in the trailer even says how ugly England looks. It looks very similar if you ask me.
But I do agree the trailer is more promising. But I've seen good trailers for shit films before, so we'll see.
Well, by "look" I didn't necessarily mean literally. But even visually it does look very different. That grey you describe is actually a heavy use of blue color timing, which I agree is somewhat ugly and I hate when movies use it, but it is a quite different digital coloring technique then the desaturated look of MoS and BvS. Well by the same, I mean, just as bland, not that the techniques are necessarily the same.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on May 13, 2017 18:06:22 GMT
Isn't most of the movie set in London and/or WWI war zones? Not her homeland, right?
IDK, it just looked very similar to me.
WW uses a lot of blue color timing, a technique commonly used in period pieces. Ridley Scott used it in a lot of his Mid Ages movies. It's one way of making a movie look like it takes place in the past... Which of course makes zero sense if you think about it but it's purely psychological. I do prefer the technique used in CA First Avenger which is to basically warm the look of the film, but that also gives a very different tone that maybe didn't work well with this script. Im not a huge fan of it, but it certainly is a different look from BvS and MoS which were just heavily tweaked and desaturated with digital color timing. Also the MCU is not innocent when it comes to ugly color timing either. Both Avengers movies make excessive use of the much over played orange and teal digital look. WW has a lot of this same look too in the origin scenes. It's not just the blue color timing, and the MCU whether they have used it or not, have been vastly more colorful in general.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 13, 2017 18:09:02 GMT
WW uses a lot of blue color timing, a technique commonly used in period pieces. Ridley Scott used it in a lot of his Mid Ages movies. It's one way of making a movie look like it takes place in the past... Which of course makes zero sense if you think about it but it's purely psychological. I do prefer the technique used in CA First Avenger which is to basically warm the look of the film, but that also gives a very different tone that maybe didn't work well with this script. Im not a huge fan of it, but it certainly is a different look from BvS and MoS which were just heavily tweaked and desaturated with digital color timing. Also the MCU is not innocent when it comes to ugly color timing either. Both Avengers movies make excessive use of the much over played orange and teal digital look. WW has a lot of this same look too in the origin scenes. It's not just the blue color timing, and the MCU whether they have used it or not, have been vastly more colorful in general. Color =/= Quality
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 18:29:44 GMT
WW uses a lot of blue color timing, a technique commonly used in period pieces. Ridley Scott used it in a lot of his Mid Ages movies. It's one way of making a movie look like it takes place in the past... Which of course makes zero sense if you think about it but it's purely psychological. I do prefer the technique used in CA First Avenger which is to basically warm the look of the film, but that also gives a very different tone that maybe didn't work well with this script. Im not a huge fan of it, but it certainly is a different look from BvS and MoS which were just heavily tweaked and desaturated with digital color timing. Also the MCU is not innocent when it comes to ugly color timing either. Both Avengers movies make excessive use of the much over played orange and teal digital look. WW has a lot of this same look too in the origin scenes. It's not just the blue color timing, and the MCU whether they have used it or not, have been vastly more colorful in general. Well it depends on the the movie. MCU directors use a variety of visual techniques. Some work well and others are, honestly, garbage in my opinion. I really hate the desaturated look of MoS but I also hate the Michael Bay levels of orange and teal in Age of Ultron. Next time you watch Avengers 1, AoU, IM2, or Ant Man keep an eye out for orange faces on bland teal colored backgrounds. Once you see it you will never unsee it. It's ugly as hell. Personally I prefer the natural color neutral looks of Doctor Strange and Civil War (CW only uses blatant orange and blue in one scene). I think Hollywood movies have gone way over the top with the digital color correction.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 13, 2017 18:35:24 GMT
It's not just the blue color timing, and the MCU whether they have used it or not, have been vastly more colorful in general. ... MCU directors... are, honestly, garbage in my opinion. I really hate... Age of Ultron... Avengers 1, AoU, IM2, [and/]or Ant Man. Agreed. So basically, you pledge your allegiance to the DCEU?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 18:41:51 GMT
... MCU directors... are, honestly, garbage in my opinion. I really hate... Age of Ultron... Avengers 1, AoU, IM2, [and/]or Ant Man. Agreed. So basically, you pledge your allegiance to the DCEU? Just show me how to save Padme's life! I can't live without her!!!
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 13, 2017 19:11:41 GMT
Agreed. So basically, you pledge your allegiance to the DCEU? Just show me how to save Padme's life! I can't live without her!!! Henceforth, you shall be known as Darth... Ackbar.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on May 13, 2017 19:29:05 GMT
It's not just the blue color timing, and the MCU whether they have used it or not, have been vastly more colorful in general. Well it depends on the the movie. MCU directors use a variety of visual techniques. Some work well and others are, honestly, garbage in my opinion. I really hate the desaturated look of MoS but I also hate the Michael Bay levels of orange and teal in Age of Ultron. Next time you watch Avengers 1, AoU, IM2, or Ant Man keep an eye out for orange faces on bland teal colored backgrounds. Once you see it you will never unsee it. It's ugly as hell. Personally I prefer the natural color neutral looks of Doctor Strange and Civil War (CW only uses blatant orange and blue in one scene). I think Hollywood movies have gone way over the top with the digital color correction. I haven't seen any garbage ones. Those films all look great, and no offense, but I'm not interested in sitting around trying to find something to bitch about with them. They're awesome.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 19:31:52 GMT
Well it depends on the the movie. MCU directors use a variety of visual techniques. Some work well and others are, honestly, garbage in my opinion. I really hate the desaturated look of MoS but I also hate the Michael Bay levels of orange and teal in Age of Ultron. Next time you watch Avengers 1, AoU, IM2, or Ant Man keep an eye out for orange faces on bland teal colored backgrounds. Once you see it you will never unsee it. It's ugly as hell. Personally I prefer the natural color neutral looks of Doctor Strange and Civil War (CW only uses blatant orange and blue in one scene). I think Hollywood movies have gone way over the top with the digital color correction. I haven't seen any garbage ones. Those films all look great, and no offense, but I'm not interested in sitting around trying to find something to bitch about with them. They're awesome. I don't understand why it's "bitching" when I talk about AoU's color timing when you were the one to complain about WW's color timing. I was just trying to be fair here and show that both studios have examples of bad color timing.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on May 13, 2017 19:41:27 GMT
Well it depends on the the movie. MCU directors use a variety of visual techniques. Some work well and others are, honestly, garbage in my opinion. I really hate the desaturated look of MoS but I also hate the Michael Bay levels of orange and teal in Age of Ultron. Next time you watch Avengers 1, AoU, IM2, or Ant Man keep an eye out for orange faces on bland teal colored backgrounds. Once you see it you will never unsee it. It's ugly as hell. Personally I prefer the natural color neutral looks of Doctor Strange and Civil War (CW only uses blatant orange and blue in one scene). I think Hollywood movies have gone way over the top with the digital color correction. I haven't seen any garbage ones. Those films all look great, and no offense, but I'm not interested in sitting around trying to find something to bitch about with them. They're awesome. lol at the hypocritical drama queen! Stanton, your special brand of braindead fanboy trolling never ceases to amuse me.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on May 13, 2017 19:43:12 GMT
I haven't seen any garbage ones. Those films all look great, and no offense, but I'm not interested in sitting around trying to find something to bitch about with them. They're awesome. I don't understand why it's "bitching" when I talk about AoU's color timing when you were the one to complain about WW's color timing. I was just trying to be fair here and show that both studios have examples of bad color timing. Because I'm not just talking about color timing. I'm talking about the entire aesthetic.
Again, in the trailer itself, the main character of the movie says how bad one of the primary locations looks. I'm just saying.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on May 13, 2017 19:47:33 GMT
I haven't seen any garbage ones. Those films all look great, and no offense, but I'm not interested in sitting around trying to find something to bitch about with them. They're awesome. I don't understand why it's "bitching" when I talk about AoU's color timing when you were the one to complain about WW's color timing. I was just trying to be fair here and show that both studios have examples of bad color timing. Must have hit it pretty close to the mark to get her all riled up like that, huh? That was one in a million.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 19:58:47 GMT
I don't understand why it's "bitching" when I talk about AoU's color timing when you were the one to complain about WW's color timing. I was just trying to be fair here and show that both studios have examples of bad color timing. Because I'm not just talking about color timing. I'm talking about the entire aesthetic.
Again, in the trailer itself, the main character of the movie says how bad one of the primary locations looks. I'm just saying.
But why is it bitching/nitpicking to talk about color timing in AoU then? It's a major factor in determining a movie's aesthetic. The color timing in AoU is a gigantic problem with that movie's aesthetic. I don't understand the distinction you're trying to make here.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on May 13, 2017 20:03:10 GMT
Because I'm not just talking about color timing. I'm talking about the entire aesthetic.
Again, in the trailer itself, the main character of the movie says how bad one of the primary locations looks. I'm just saying.
But why is it bitching/nitpicking to talk about color timing in AoU then? It's a major factor in determining a movie's aesthetic. The color timing in AoU is a gigantic problem with that movie's aesthetic. I don't understand the distinction you're trying to make here. Because AOU looks great, and WW/BVS/JL, etc look charcoal grey and bland. I'm not understanding why it's even a debate. Isn't that common knowledge?
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 13, 2017 20:04:11 GMT
I don't understand why it's "bitching" when I talk about AoU's color timing when you were the one to complain about WW's color timing. I was just trying to be fair here and show that both studios have examples of bad color timing. Must have hit it pretty close to the mark to get her all riled up like that, huh? That was one in a million.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 20:12:43 GMT
But why is it bitching/nitpicking to talk about color timing in AoU then? It's a major factor in determining a movie's aesthetic. The color timing in AoU is a gigantic problem with that movie's aesthetic. I don't understand the distinction you're trying to make here. Because AOU looks great, and WW/BVS/JL, etc look charcoal grey and bland. I'm not understanding why it's even a debate. Isn't that common knowledge?
Yikes. So basically you're going to ignore the specific question that I asked you. I wasn't even debating the two franchises in my last post. But no, it's not common knowledge that AoU looks great. I'm going to assume that you don't even know what orange teal color timing is... Which is fine. I myself only learned the technical aspects of color timing a few years back. But why respond to me like this? i don't get it.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on May 13, 2017 20:14:17 GMT
meh, that sounds like an appeal to emotion and false cause. The genre is not in danger of dying; it was there long before the bubble (arguably, rooted in mythology of demi-god like beefcakes in tights) and beyond a reasonable doubt will exist long after the big burst. After that there will be less outings per year, but that may serve quality. The last superhero films that were really innovative and artistically interesting date back to 2010 with the Nolan films, Watchmen, Chronicle, Kick Ass and such. Then came the generic, easy listening family-fare pandering to the lowest common denominator and formula. So DCEU and MCU dying may not be that bad for those to yearn for something fresh.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on May 13, 2017 20:17:03 GMT
Yikes. So basically you're going to ignore the specific question that I asked you. I wasn't even debating the two franchises in my last post. But no, it's not common knowledge that AoU looks great. I'm going to assume that you don't even know what orange teal color timing is... Which is fine. I myself only learned the technical aspects of color timing a few years back. But why respond to me like this? i don't get it. I'm not being rude or anything, but to be frank you're having your own conversation. I responded that way because I'm not interested in the specific question you asked, or the specifics of color timing. My only concern is that the MCU films have looked great and the DC products look grey.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 13, 2017 20:20:28 GMT
Yikes. So basically you're going to ignore the specific question that I asked you. I wasn't even debating the two franchises in my last post. But no, it's not common knowledge that AoU looks great. I'm going to assume that you don't even know what orange teal color timing is... Which is fine. I myself only learned the technical aspects of color timing a few years back. But why respond to me like this? i don't get it. I'm not being rude or anything, but to be frank you're having your own conversation. I responded that way because I'm not interested in the specific question you asked, or the specifics of color timing. My only concern is that the MCU films have looked great and the DC products look grey.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 20:23:56 GMT
Yikes. So basically you're going to ignore the specific question that I asked you. I wasn't even debating the two franchises in my last post. But no, it's not common knowledge that AoU looks great. I'm going to assume that you don't even know what orange teal color timing is... Which is fine. I myself only learned the technical aspects of color timing a few years back. But why respond to me like this? i don't get it. I'm not being rude or anything, but to be frank you're having your own conversation. I responded that way because I'm not interested in the specific question you asked, or the specifics of color timing. My only concern is that the MCU films have looked great and the DC products look grey. I understand that. And your complaint about WW's aesthetic is a valid one. I was just trying to explain why WW, while dark in appearance, is decidedly different from the look of MoS and BvS. My opinion about AoU is of course my own. And you're welcome to disagree with it. But I was just legitimately curious why it should be labeled as bitching when it's essentially the same complaint you had with WW (visual presentation). Why not just provide a counter point? Why act like one opinion is worth less because it's about a movie you happen to like? I was also merely pointing out that it's not simply a DC V's Marvel argument. The MCU has a lot different looks and as I mentioned above, Ultron looks vastly different than, say, Doctor Strange. The color timing in one (DS) is natural and the other (AoU) is absolutely NOT natural. So grouping them all together makes zero sense.
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