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Post by moviemouth on Feb 25, 2021 9:31:52 GMT
It is possible to dislike and fear and keep it to yourself. It is also possible to dislike one aspect of a person and like a bunch of other aspects of them. It is also possible to completely understand something and hate that it exists, because it makes you uncomfortable. You will just refuse to interact with whoever it is when possible. I could go in a certain direction with this, but I will refrain from causing extreme offense. I wouldn't want people to think I was making a direct comparison. Fear is an interesting and extremely complex thing and nobody is above it. Some people have less fear than others and some people are able to get past some of their fears. For some people it is impossible to get past it. Some people even feed off of their own fear and anger. I don't know why exactly, but it likely has to do with dislike of their self or their circumstances. It also has been brainwashed into most people by society and their parents. I mean if you have a father who calls you a sissy for even the slightest feminine thing, that is going to have serious effects on your mental state. This is why so many straight men are very off-put by even the slightest thing. Yes, who knows why others have a fear over something and others don't. Phobia over a sexuality though does appear more like a conditioned construct though, because of the ridicule and derision that can get associated with it as already pointed out. I can't really speak for the hetero male, yet I'm sure they may have thoughts of phobia over having sex with certain females and not everyone is going to be attracted to every person they meet, regardless of sexuality. The thing I have found with homosexual ridicule from my own experience, is that it can contain a projected disdain, that if they find out someone is homo and know of another in the vicinity, they then make an association that they are going to be attracted to each other and use the other person as part of the contempt in the insult. I agree with what you said, though I don't like to speculate too much about an entire group. It comes down to ignorance and stereotypes much of the time. Some stereotypes match reality more than others. I think the idea that homosexuals are more sexually active and less picky comes from the fact that men know how horny men are and that they are less interested in romance and love when it comes to casual sex than females, though that is a stereotype too.
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Post by moviemouth on Feb 25, 2021 10:39:59 GMT
I agree with what you said, though I don't like to speculate too much about an entire group. It comes down to ignorance and stereotypes much of the time. Some stereotypes match reality more than others. I think the idea that homosexuals are more sexually active and less picky comes from the fact that men know how horny men are and that they are less interested in romance and love when it comes to casual sex than females, though that is a stereotype too. I heard that similar comment recently from a straight friend of mine quoting a colleague of his. My response was why is the world so heavily populated then? That is why it is a stereotype, if you are asking why females aren't perceived to be as promiscuous compared to men. In my experience straight men don't really talk to females about the female's sexual adventures, but we do talk to eacthother about our own. There are many things that confirm the reason the stereotype exists, but they are from an extremely biased perspective. I'll do more thinking on the subject.
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Post by moviemouth on Feb 25, 2021 10:46:26 GMT
Only you know if you are bisexual, yet you then claim you are 'queer' also many time on here. Is being bisexual and queer the same thing?
As for homophobes, are they really accepting if they see it as a phobia? They are only living in fear and denial of something that frightens them, like death, not to mention ignorance. They are judging something they don't understand and are not approving, therefore not accepting. If being a man means getting it on with a woman to be considered 'normal' straight, that is more feminine within its own dynamic. They want boobies and not a big huge dork!
Did you just call me a big huge dork?
Yes, "queer" describes all those who don't follow in perfect line with the heterosexist system. Homosexuals and bisexuals are all queer.
As for straight friends who know you and love you and don't like homosexuality? I suppose it's like hating religion but having religious friends.
I actually didn't know that, but I looked it up and it does fit in with the definition. The original definition for queer is "not normal" or strange. I just know that now the LGBTQ community uses the word for itself. I don't remember the last time I have heard queer used by a straight person to describe people who aren't straight. By definition as "not normal" I am queer across the board.
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Post by moviemouth on Feb 25, 2021 11:01:04 GMT
I actually didn't know that, but I looked it up and it does fit in with the definition. The original definition for queer is "not normal" or strange. I just know that now the LGBTQ community uses the word for itself. I don't remember the last time I have heard queer used by a straight person to describe people who aren't straight. By definition as "not normal" I am queer across the board. Queer doesn't sit right with some, nor me, due to it being seen as a pejorative term and where sexuality is concerned, it used to be solely attributed to homosexuality. I think because once upon a time bi-sexuality was written off as not a real thing. From my understanding queer has always been more associated with homosexuals when it is used in a negative way, whereas when the LGBTQ community uses it it is for whoever uses the term to describe themselves. At this point LGBTQ should be LGBTO (for other), but I assume the Q basically means "and other." I mean at this point it should be LGBTANOPQ. That is a joke, but sort of true.
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Post by moviemouth on Feb 27, 2021 4:40:05 GMT
"Gay" does sit well with me! It assumes we and our lives and our rights are not serious, because were just a bunch of giggling fruits anyway. My life is no more "gay" or less important than the life of a breeder. Why we ever let them saddle us with that fey word I'll never understand.
"Queer" just means different and odd to the majority. No, I value the fact that I am different than other people. "Queer" is the perfect word for a sexuality which flies in the face of the reproductive imperative of the majority.
Well personally, I prefer homo, but I just deal with gay because that is what the brainwashed dense hets have been programmed with.
Queer to me has the same connotations as gay as you have described it and gay appears less derisive. I was going to complain, but I realize I don't know the origin of the word gay. As far as I know that is the more polite term that homosexuals have been referred to in the past. Everyone is brainwashed to some degree or another btw. I didn't know it was a demeaning term and have met gay people who like that term. I mean it is in LGBTQ, which is self-referential. I will call an individual whatever they want to referred to as, within reason. Gay, queer, homo (that has also been used as a negative btw), homosexual etc.
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Post by moviemouth on Feb 27, 2021 5:01:41 GMT
I go with Kinsey in that it's more important to identify people by who they really are and what they really do, not what they claim to be. Fools lie.
So yes, I prefer males. But I've been with enough females sexually that I realized I am bisexual, even though I think of myself as a homo. And unlike many gay males , I am definitely not repulsed by women's bodies. I believe a woman's breasts and genitals are works of beauty. I know many gay males who will act with disgust and call a vagina a "snatch" or a "gash". I'm not like that. Women are not my primary focus when it comes to sex. Frankly I can take 'em or leave 'em. But I'm not like a lot of silly faggots who hate women.
Straight males are afraid of penises. I'm sorry, and I'm tired of pussyfooting around, but that's just a fact.
I don't think gay males are repulsed by female bodies, it just leaves many cold. That is what most straight males feel about the male body. I have never met a straight male who is repulsed by the male body, we just don't find anything sexually appealing about it. Obviously males aren't repulsed by other males bodies, since most straight males look at someone like Brad Pitt, recognize that he has a great male form and wish they could look like him.
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Post by moviemouth on Feb 27, 2021 6:51:34 GMT
I was going to complain, but I realize I don't know the origin of the word gay. As far as I know that is the more polite term that homosexuals have been referred to in the past. Everyone is brainwashed to some degree or another btw. I didn't know it was a demeaning term and have met gay people who like that term. I mean it is in LGBTQ, which is self-referential. I will call an individual whatever they want to referred to as, within reason. Gay, queer, homo (that has also been used as a negative btw), homosexual etc. If straight didn't see itself as so darn self-important, there wouldn't be any need for these labels as one is just sexual. As long as it is healthy and legal. People label everything. As long as there has been language one group refers to anything different from them as something else. The one group who sees itself as more important will just be more mean with the language.
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Post by moviemouth on Feb 27, 2021 7:00:53 GMT
That is what most straight males feel about the male body. I have never met a straight male who is repulsed by the male body, we just don't find anything sexually appealing about it. Obviously males aren't repulsed by other males bodies, since most straight males look at someone like Brad Pitt, recognize that he has a great male form and wish they could look like him. Why would one feel cold about their own body? The sexuality aspect emanates from the body and what it is doing. If one feels cold about that, or some may claim revulsion, then they wouldn't be able to be aroused at all. It is conditioned mindset only. I am cold to my own body in that I am not sexually turned on by myself. The whole point is for other people to be attracted to your body. Maybe homosexuals are turned on by their own body, but a straight person wouldn't be. That is separate from whether they find themselves attractive. Straight men recognize when other men are attractive, but they aren't sexually turned on by them. Why is this difficult for you to grasp?
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Post by moviemouth on Feb 27, 2021 7:20:52 GMT
I am cold to my own body in that I am not sexually turned on by myself. The whole point is for other people to be attracted to your body. Maybe homosexuals are turned on by their own body, but a straight person wouldn't be. That is separate from whether they find themselves attractive. Straight men recognize when other men are attractive, but they aren't sexually turned on by them. Why is this difficult for you to grasp? I am not a hottie by any measure, but if a straight male is not turned on by what his body is doing, then there are more deeper issues inherent I would say.
I can't speak for heterosexuality and you have even commented to me before in a pm that you have had same sex attractions, so perhaps you may not be the best person to explain what a het male is supposed to feel about his body and grasp about the female form over their own. Perhaps they want to be women themselves. Now that is sad. I can make the same claim about you misunderstanding hetero males because you are not one of them. This is just common sense imo. I also think see things in a very black and white in this case. You make it sound like you are either turned on by something or repulsed by it. It is much MUCH more nuanced than that and evolution plays a big part as well. I am more attracted to females than feminine male, so I am qualified. I also have hung out with straight people all my life and we talk about this stuff. The Brad Pitt thing you seemed to ignore all together. The social conditioning is a hard one to answer, because with a lot of this stuff we don't know how much is evolutionary and how much is social conditioning, but considering males need to have sex with females in order to procreate that suggests that the majority are programmed by nature to not be sexually attracted to the same sex. I am not attracted to the same sex in any significant sense. I feel a romantic connection towards females and everything about them turns me on, that is not the case with males.
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Post by moviemouth on Feb 27, 2021 7:27:41 GMT
I can make the same claim about you misunderstanding hetero males because you are not one of them. This is just common sense imo. I also think see things very black and white in this case. You make it sound like you are either turned on by something or repulsed by it. It is much MUCH more nuanced than that and evolution plays a big part as well. I am more attracted to females than feminine male, so I am qualified. I also have hung out with straight people all my life and we talk about this stuff. The Brad Pitt thing you seemed to ignore all together. The social conditioning is a hard one to answer, because with a lot of this stuff we don't know how much is evolutionary and how much is social conditioning, but considering males need to have sex with females in order to procreate that suggests that the majority are programmed by nature to not be sexually attracted to the same sex. I am not attracted to the same sex in any significant sense. I feel a romantic connection towards females and everything about them turns me on, that is not the case with males. Well, if its romance you are after, then that is utter delusion from your part and speaks volumes.
Nothing to see here folks!!! You are in some kind of deep denial and the fact that what you wrote is all you took from what I wrote is proof of that.
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Post by moviemouth on Feb 27, 2021 7:32:58 GMT
You are in some kind of deep denial and the fact that what you wrote is all you took from what I wrote is proof of that. I am not the one in denial about my sexuality. I'd say you are the confused one here movie. Fair enough. I guess there is probably no point in us talking about this anymore then, since we think eachother is confused. I say it as I see it in the most honest way I can. Maybe I am the one who is confused, but I have deeply thought about all of this stuff and looked into it and discussed it with other people. I am convinced I am correct and willing to change my belief if I am convinced otherwise. You have failed and it seems I have as well. I didn't say you were in denial about your own sexuality, I think you are in denial of the sexuality of everyone who isn't homosexual or like you. I know for a fact that there are homosexuals who would disagree with a lot of what you think.
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Post by moviemouth on Feb 27, 2021 8:13:34 GMT
You are in some kind of deep denial and the fact that what you wrote is all you took from what I wrote is proof of that. I am not the one in denial about my sexuality. I'd say you are the confused one here movie. theconversation.com/homosexuality-may-have-evolved-for-social-not-sexual-reasons-128123Take that however you want, but I am showing you that I am not just basing stuff on my feelings. I actually look into this stuff, because I am interested in what is true.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Feb 27, 2021 8:25:40 GMT
I am cold to my own body in that I am not sexually turned on by myself. The whole point is for other people to be attracted to your body. Maybe homosexuals are turned on by their own body, but a straight person wouldn't be. That is separate from whether they find themselves attractive. Straight men recognize when other men are attractive, but they aren't sexually turned on by them. Why is this difficult for you to grasp? I am not a hottie by any measure, but if a straight male is not turned on by what his body is doing, then there are more deeper issues inherent I would say.
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