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Post by mellomoviereview on Feb 16, 2021 11:00:32 GMT
It’s weird. I live in the southern Bible Belt. I don’t know a lot of atheists or openly “out” as atheists.
But, I know about 5. And all 5 of them are really into astrology.
I don’t get it? If you’re an atheist. I get that means you don’t believe in God. But, why do you believe in Astrology? That’s kind of like a religious belief too. Why not go full atheist? Believe in nothing?
It’s like a vegetarian saying “well, I don’t eat mammals. But I’ll have fish on Fridays.”
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Post by Winter_King on Feb 16, 2021 13:07:33 GMT
Well I don't know any atheist that believes in Astrology.
But that's besides the point. The only thing an atheist doesn't believe is in God. They can believe all sort of crap like homeopathy, astral projection, trickle down economics, chemtrails etc...
Also the idea that an "full atheist" believes in nothing is ridiculous.
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Post by Catman 猫的主人 on Feb 16, 2021 13:43:40 GMT
You must know the wrong atheists.
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Post by drystyx on Feb 16, 2021 14:30:45 GMT
I'm more interested in your final statement, since I don't eat mammals and do eat fish.
I found that eating mammals does terrible things to my body, and over time, to my mind. I stopped eating "meat" in 1992, and that's why I'm so clear headed and coherent in this world wide web of incoherent babblers. Surely, you've seen that well over half the posts on this board consist of incoherent babbling, which I suspect are part of the confusion people get from eating mammals.
As for "Astrology", I suspect it's materialistic in Nature, but that's just an excuse to be anti-theist, because no one can chart all the gravity of all the stars and planets and meteors and comets and come up with anything lucid. Even a computer couldn't do that.
Instead, if you read those astrological columns that divide us into twelve tribes, you'll see that every single "astrology expert" simply favors certain signs, and discredit certain signs. This leads to people from the "favorite signs" latching onto this pseudo Astrology. That's a sneaky way to keep it a closed group of Pisces, Aries, and the other signs that are given "superior" messages about how perfect and godlike they are. And it keeps out the riff raff Sagittarians who get readings every day like "you're cannon fodder, so deal with it, ugly".
So, obviously it's a closed circuit of people who feel superior due to the date they were born, mostly those born early in the year, who are already the beneficiaries of most social rewards. In school, the Capricorn and Aquarius are nearly a year older, bigger, and more experienced than the Scorpio and Sagittarius, so they get all the "at bats", while the latter are never allowed to participate, and thus all the rewards go to the very people that the pseudo astrologers kiss butts. They're always on top, always in charge, always in control, and never have to relinquish that control.
It is a "clique", a "mob" no one speaks about. And if gives them satisfaction to feel superior and agree with pseudo astrology that makes them feel superior. Who wouldn't want their asses kissed?
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Post by mellomoviereview on Feb 16, 2021 14:39:31 GMT
Well I don't know any atheist that believes in Astrology. But that's besides the point. The only thing an atheist doesn't believe is in God. They can believe all sort of crap like homeopathy, astral projection, trickle down economics, chemtrails etc... Also the idea that an "full atheist" believes in nothing is ridiculous. That’s because you don’t go full atheist. |
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Post by OldSamVimes on Feb 17, 2021 1:10:44 GMT
Because atheists are stupid.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 17, 2021 6:28:32 GMT
Technically, all an atheist is really rejecting is the religious notion of what God is supposed to represent. Anything else is open to belief and understanding. Problem is though, many atheists can appear to be materialists as well from what I gather and it becomes all about body and physical self that drives the universe. Those that are into astrology may ride off the back of atheism but are really agnostic.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Feb 17, 2021 23:16:22 GMT
Because atheists are stupid. If they belive in astrology yes than they are stupid, just as stupid as people who belive in God.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Feb 18, 2021 0:26:54 GMT
Because atheists are stupid. If they belive in astrology yes than they are stupid, just as stupid as people who belive in God. Which God are you referring to? How do you define 'God'?
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Feb 18, 2021 1:51:38 GMT
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Post by lowtacks86 on Feb 18, 2021 2:03:24 GMT
You probably hang out with goofy "New Age" atheists which can accompnay quite a few silly beliefs (including antivaccination and Ayn Rand philosophy)
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Post by DrPaulsLaugh on Feb 18, 2021 3:27:44 GMT
Don’t “most” Christians believe in astrology too? The “vast” atheist community is not financing the astrology/sucker industry.
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Post by DrPaulsLaugh on Feb 18, 2021 3:29:46 GMT
Because atheists are stupid. And you’re stupid to believe “most” atheists believe in astrology.
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Post by FATMAN on Feb 18, 2021 3:33:50 GMT
It's a fun hobby?
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Post by OldSamVimes on Feb 18, 2021 15:46:51 GMT
Because atheists are stupid. And you’re stupid to believe “most” atheists believe in astrology. I don't believe that. I think the amount of people who genuinely believe in astrology is extremely low. Probably less than 5% of the atheist population. You shouldn't call other people stupid when you apparently believe there's a difference between 'white person science' and 'black person science'.
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Post by moviemouth on Feb 19, 2021 5:46:58 GMT
The vegatarian comparison isn't a good comparison in any way.
1. Atheist is the definition for someone who doesn't believe in God. This is why I have brought up the confusion between Atheism and skepticism.
2. Vegetarians are vegetarians for different reasons and the there are different classifications. If you had said vegans then it would be comparable, but to skepticism.
Saying "full atheism" in the context you put it just makes you sound like you don't know what you are talking about. Atheism ONLY has to do with God claims.
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Post by moviemouth on Feb 19, 2021 5:59:23 GMT
Technically, all an atheist is really rejecting is the religious notion of what God is supposed to represent. Anything else is open to belief and understanding. Problem is though, many atheists can appear to be materialists as well from what I gather and it becomes all about body and physical self that drives the universe. Those that are into astrology may ride off the back of atheism but are really agnostic. Nah. People can call themselves whatever they want, but there is no such thing as an agnostic in the definition sense. If you aren't a believer, then you don't believe. You are an atheist by default. You either believe a claim or you don't. There is no in between. Agnosticism is about what you claim to know. It should only be used as an add on to atheism and theism. I am an agnostic atheist. I don't believe God exists, but I don't know for a fact that he doesn't exist. There are atheists of every kind. A non-materialist atheist is still an atheist, not an agnostic. Even if I go by your use agnostic, that person isn't an agnostic. They are convinced for some reason that astrology is true, but they do not believe God exists. There is no conflict there. There is a conflict with skepticism though.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 19, 2021 6:17:17 GMT
Technically, all an atheist is really rejecting is the religious notion of what God is supposed to represent. Anything else is open to belief and understanding. Problem is though, many atheists can appear to be materialists as well from what I gather and it becomes all about body and physical self that drives the universe. Those that are into astrology may ride off the back of atheism but are really agnostic. Nah. People can call themselves whatever they want, but there is no such thing as an agnostic in the definition sense. If you aren't a believer, then you don't believe. You are an atheist by default. You either believe a claim or you don't. There is no in between. Agnosticism is about what you claim to know. It should only be used as an add on to atheism and theism. I am an agnostic atheist. I don't believe God exists, but I don't know for a fact that he doesn't exist. There are atheists of every kind. A non-materialist atheist is still an atheist, not an agnostic. Even if I go by your use agnostic, that person isn't an agnostic. They are really just labels and terms to describe, understand or propagate a belief. The belief in of itself isn't real. To layer something of having many kinds when it pertains to something intangible is nonsense. Its confusing the issue with more delusion. I get your point of claim, that anyone who rejects the notion of theist God is atheist, (which I do, but don't regard myself as atheist as such), yet my understanding of agnostic is theist belief rejection, yet 'uncertainty' within that notion too. I myself am not uncertain. From a purely objective level the term atheist is just as the word implies, 'without' theism and that is what I was implying.
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Post by moviemouth on Feb 19, 2021 6:24:22 GMT
Nah. People can call themselves whatever they want, but there is no such thing as an agnostic in the definition sense. If you aren't a believer, then you don't believe. You are an atheist by default. You either believe a claim or you don't. There is no in between. Agnosticism is about what you claim to know. It should only be used as an add on to atheism and theism. I am an agnostic atheist. I don't believe God exists, but I don't know for a fact that he doesn't exist. There are atheists of every kind. A non-materialist atheist is still an atheist, not an agnostic. Even if I go by your use agnostic, that person isn't an agnostic. They are really just labels and terms to describe, understand or propagate a belief. The belief in of itself isn't real. To layer something of having many kinds when it pertains to something intangible is nonsense. Its confusing the issue with more delusion. I get your point of claim, that anyone who rejects the notion of theist God is atheist, (which I do, but don't regard myself as atheist as such), yet my understanding of agnostic is theist belief rejection, yet 'uncertainty' within that notion too. I myself am not uncertain. From a purely objective level the term atheist is just as the word implies, 'without' theism and that is what I was implying. Then...I guess we agree? I am not sure. You put things in such a way that I can't make sense of what you are actually saying sometimes. Might be my fault. A belief is an abstract, so no, it isn't something you can touch and it doesn't exist as a thing. We use words for a reason though. The words are to describe the state of mind of a person and to convey belief and disbelief of ideas.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 19, 2021 7:15:00 GMT
They are really just labels and terms to describe, understand or propagate a belief. The belief in of itself isn't real. To layer something of having many kinds when it pertains to something intangible is nonsense. Its confusing the issue with more delusion. I get your point of claim, that anyone who rejects the notion of theist God is atheist, (which I do, but don't regard myself as atheist as such), yet my understanding of agnostic is theist belief rejection, yet 'uncertainty' within that notion too. I myself am not uncertain. From a purely objective level the term atheist is just as the word implies, 'without' theism and that is what I was implying. Then...I guess we agree? I am not sure. You put things in such a way that I can't make sense of what you are actually saying sometimes. Might be my fault. A belief is an abstract thing, so no, it isn't something you can touch and it doesn't exist as a thing. We use words for a reason though. The words are to describe the state of mind of a person. Yes, and that is why communication of belief really need pertain to something rational and objective as possible where some truth of assessment can be harnessed. I was really only wanting to point out that I disagreed with your notion of agnosticism as an pre-cursor or adjective to the term atheism, especially when pertaining to the topic of the thread of atheists interested in astrology. Astrology is along the lines of a spiritual discipline to understanding the connectivity of the universe. This may not be in search of God as a separate theist belief, but coincides along the lines of holistic understanding which is what I see many atheists rejecting as well. It doesn't seem to fit in with the materialistic notion of the universe being behind all there is. In order to reject a belief, the notion of something has to be entertained first, (as with atheism - God), in order for it to be rejected. God may not be theist, but its also not diminished either.
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