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Post by Winston Wolfe on Feb 20, 2021 7:24:50 GMT
How have they aged? Hard to believe it's been nearly 20 years since the first.
I think they hold up fairly well, especially considering they came before all the MCU hullabaloo. The first is a solid origin story, the second is still quite possibly my favorite Spider-Man film to date, and the third I think is ok; I never hated it all that much like others did. A fourth film scheduled for May 2011 was scrapped; I think either Vulture or Carnage were planned to be the villain.
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Post by ck100 on Feb 20, 2021 8:01:57 GMT
A flawed but good overall trilogy.
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Feb 20, 2021 8:41:14 GMT
Spider Man - 8/10
Spider Man 2 - 8/10
Spider Man 3 - 6/10
The first two hold up really well. 3 has flaws but its enjoyable.
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Post by darkreviewer2013 on Feb 20, 2021 9:15:44 GMT
Spider-Man (2002) is the first true superhero origin story of the 21st century. Not since Superman (1978) had such a thing been done properly. It's a fun flick with a great villain in Willem Dafoe's Green Goblin. Tobey Maguire is fine, although I think that there are other actors who could have nailed the role just as well, if differently. The CGI has aged badly.
Spider-Man 2 is a superior action flick with fantastic battle sequences and CGI effects which hold up well to this day. Doc Ock is a somewhat less interesting or charismatic antagonist however. And the Mary Jane stuff is overdone.
Spider-Man 3 is a confused mess of a movie with half-baked villains that unforgivably mangles Venom and concludes the trilogy on an utterly lacklustre note.
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Post by politicidal on Feb 20, 2021 15:28:42 GMT
I feel pretty much the same way. The first two still rank among my favorite superhero films. The 3rd one is a mess but an entertaining mess. The Tom Holland version in the MCU is solid;I like him better than Andrew Garfield. But there always seems something missing in his installments, as technically accomplished as they are.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2021 16:18:13 GMT
Sam Raimi used the “Superman” (Christopher Reeve) films as a map.
1. Origin
2. Gives up his powers to be with girl. Realized his purpose is to save humanity more than be in a relationship. Goes back to being a superhero.
3. Black suit (evil Superman), battling the darkness within. Existential crisis, “should I just do what I want? Or do what’s right?” Black symbiote vs Black Kryptonite...
There’s more similarities than that. Ripping shirt to expose logo etc...
I still say “Spider-Man 2” is the best marvel movie ever made. Featuring a marvel character. Including anything in the MCU or X-Men.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Feb 20, 2021 20:23:44 GMT
The first has the typical origin story problem of having a great first half but clunky second. The Green Goblem suit is a disservice to both the character and Dafoe's manic performance. But it's still a fun film.
The second remains my favorite Marvel movie. Never before and probably not since has a superhero felt so human and relatable. The FX and fight scenes also still hold up, and Ock is an excellent villain.
The third is a battle between a director who wants to cram in a bunch of shit, and a producer who wants to cram in a bunch of different shit, and in the end everyone lost. We were still stuck on "everything must be a trilogy" when just agreeing to save things for a 4th film probably would have fixed most of its problems.
General thoughts: The three leads are all flawed and probably could have been better cast, but I like them overall. The supporting cast is perfect. Raimi mostly nails a tonal balance between camp and realism. Best Spidey suit.
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Post by Downey on Feb 20, 2021 20:33:06 GMT
The first has the typical origin story problem of having a great first half but clunky second. The Green Goblem suit is a disservice to both the character and Dafoe's manic performance. But it's still a fun film. The second remains my favorite Marvel movie. Never before and probably not since has a superhero felt so human and relatable. The FX and fight scenes also still hold up, and Ock is an excellent villain. The third is a battle between a director who wants to cram in a bunch of shit, and a producer who wants to cram in a bunch of different shit, and in the end everyone lost. We were still stuck on "everything must be a trilogy" when just agreeing to save things for a 4th film probably would have fixed most of its problems. General thoughts: The three leads are all flawed and probably could have been better cast, but I like them overall. The supporting cast is perfect. Raimi mostly nails a tonal balance between camp and realism. Best Spidey suit. How were the three leads flawed? And the Green Goblin suit was perfect were you expecting him to transform into a real goblin monster? |
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Post by petrolino on Feb 20, 2021 20:36:09 GMT
I love Sam Raimi's 'Spider-Man' trilogy which was a true labour of love. He conceived his initial ideas around the time he directed 'Darkman' (1990). He continued working on this project for a futher 12 years while technology caught up with his vision. He referenced Lucio Fulci's 'The Beyond' (1981) in the original. These movies remain the benchmark for me, when it comes to Marvel comic book adaptations. Once it became the Marvel assembly line, they wanted their own studio directors put in place, rather than visionaries like Raimi.
It's due to Raimi's involvement that I'll go out of my way to see 'Doctor Strange In The Multiverse Of Madness' - it won't be lost on Raimi that his old friend Wes Craven tried unsuccessfully to make a Doctor Strange movie back in the day.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Feb 20, 2021 21:11:57 GMT
The first has the typical origin story problem of having a great first half but clunky second. The Green Goblem suit is a disservice to both the character and Dafoe's manic performance. But it's still a fun film. The second remains my favorite Marvel movie. Never before and probably not since has a superhero felt so human and relatable. The FX and fight scenes also still hold up, and Ock is an excellent villain. The third is a battle between a director who wants to cram in a bunch of shit, and a producer who wants to cram in a bunch of different shit, and in the end everyone lost. We were still stuck on "everything must be a trilogy" when just agreeing to save things for a 4th film probably would have fixed most of its problems. General thoughts: The three leads are all flawed and probably could have been better cast, but I like them overall. The supporting cast is perfect. Raimi mostly nails a tonal balance between camp and realism. Best Spidey suit. How were the three leads flawed? And the Green Goblin suit was perfect were you expecting him to transform into a real goblin monster? Why are you always straw-manning? No, I didn't want him to transform into a "real goblin monster". Something less Power Rangers-y and more like the comics would have been sufficient. They did a suit test with a more elastic mask and I think it was much better. Tobey captured the dork side of Peter's character, but he's not funny or witty enough to hit the Spider-Man side. The handful of quips they gave him were swings and misses. Topher Grace, who went onto play Venom, had that snarky nerd thing nailed. Kirsten's portrayal of MJ is mopey and unsympathetic, and there's not an ounce of the comic character's spunk to her. Franco is mostly fine until he's asked to be a sinister villain, where his comedy career starts desperately trying to break out of him.
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Post by Downey on Feb 20, 2021 21:26:00 GMT
How were the three leads flawed? And the Green Goblin suit was perfect were you expecting him to transform into a real goblin monster? Why are you always straw-manning? No, I didn't want him to transform into a "real goblin monster". Something less Power Rangers-y and more like the comics would have been sufficient. They did a suit test with a more elastic mask and I think it was much better. Tobey captured the dork side of Peter's character, but he's not funny or witty enough to hit the Spider-Man side. The handful of quips they gave him were swings and misses. Topher Grace, who went onto play Venom, had that snarky nerd thing nailed. Kirsten's portrayal of MJ is mopey and unsympathetic, and there's not an ounce of the comic character's spunk to her. Franco is mostly fine until he's asked to be a sinister villain, where his comedy career starts desperately trying to break out of him. For the year in which Spiderman was released there was nothing "Power Rangers-y" about that Green Goblin costume for the year 2002 it looked fine. |
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Post by jamesbamesy on Feb 20, 2021 21:32:02 GMT
I love all 3 films, with the first being my favourite superhero film. SM2 has grown on me a lot and I always enjoyed 3 despite its faults.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Feb 20, 2021 21:40:17 GMT
Why are you always straw-manning? No, I didn't want him to transform into a "real goblin monster". Something less Power Rangers-y and more like the comics would have been sufficient. They did a suit test with a more elastic mask and I think it was much better. Tobey captured the dork side of Peter's character, but he's not funny or witty enough to hit the Spider-Man side. The handful of quips they gave him were swings and misses. Topher Grace, who went onto play Venom, had that snarky nerd thing nailed. Kirsten's portrayal of MJ is mopey and unsympathetic, and there's not an ounce of the comic character's spunk to her. Franco is mostly fine until he's asked to be a sinister villain, where his comedy career starts desperately trying to break out of him. For the year in which Spiderman was released there was nothing "Power Rangers-y" about that Green Goblin costume for the year 2002 it looked fine. That's interesting because several people in 2002 compared it to a Power Rangers costume.
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Post by Downey on Feb 20, 2021 21:46:32 GMT
For the year in which Spiderman was released there was nothing "Power Rangers-y" about that Green Goblin costume for the year 2002 it looked fine. That's interesting because several people in 2002 compared it to a Power Rangers costume. Okay admittedly it may have been power rangers like but for the year in which it was released it wasn't bad. |
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Post by sdrew13163 on Feb 20, 2021 23:39:33 GMT
Love the first two, mildly like the third.
The second one is a great movie to watch to lift your spirits if you’re in a bad mood. It’s pretty much my go-to in that situation.
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 20, 2021 23:46:06 GMT
Not a fan.
It went too far from the Ditko era. Some bad judgement in story changes and use of CGI.
I found the third movie the most interesting because making him into an asshole was different.
After re-watching the Hammond pilot movie I think it's a shame they didnt do a better movie in the 70s.
Thayer David would have been great Dr. Octopus.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Feb 21, 2021 0:10:39 GMT
The best non-MCU Marvel saga to date. X-Men was very good, but Raimi's SM beats it.
SM1 - the most upbeat superhero movie since Superman
SM2 - the best this side of Superman until TDK, alas I wish for a more evil villain.
SM3 - it's fine in a Star Wars prequel way; ppl's distain for it is hilariously overrated.
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Post by gw on Feb 21, 2021 0:12:44 GMT
I enjoyed the first, didn't care for the second, and the third I didn't care for much either, since it tried too many things but it could have been a good movie otherwise.
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Post by politicidal on Feb 21, 2021 15:14:32 GMT
moviebuffbrad did you see footage of a mask they came up with for Goblin?
Apparently they thought it was too scary for children.
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Feb 21, 2021 16:24:36 GMT
IMO, the first two films aren't as good as people say, and the third one isn't as bad as people say. Overall, I find the trilogy underwhelming, and I don't ever feel the need to rewatch those movies.
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