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Post by Shane Falco on Feb 21, 2021 3:42:37 GMT
Jaguars Panthers 49ers Patriots Washington Bears Steelers Saints Imo would all be in the first round QB market. The Jets are iffy as im not sure they move Darnold. I think they give him this last chance with a new coach and look to get him weapons in Round 1 and trading down from #2 to a team looking to grab Zach Wilson. Forgot WFT. Carolina I guess, Bridgewater is a bum. I don’t think the Steelers are ready to move on from Ben. Saints are going to try Winston-Hill combo. 49ers won’t move on from Jimmy G. Just yet. A lot depends on the disgruntled pair, Watson and Wilson. If I was WFT, I’d overpay for one on them. Smith is an injury risk Im not convinced that Watson or Wilson get traded. The free agent market for QB isn't very good unless Dak leaves. Not sure anyone on the market would be difference makers. WFT imo have a solid nucleus in terms of weapons and a defense. Theyre a QB away from being scary. If I were them I'd be all over Watson but I dont think anybody will meet Houston asking price of 4 first rounders outside of the Jets or Dolphins simply because they each have 2 this year. If I were the Jets im not sure I'd make that trade though as they're hardly a QB away from contending. Alex Smith imo should start the transition into coaching. I think he'd be a damn good coach. |
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Feb 21, 2021 4:04:02 GMT
Forgot WFT. Carolina I guess, Bridgewater is a bum. I don’t think the Steelers are ready to move on from Ben. Saints are going to try Winston-Hill combo. 49ers won’t move on from Jimmy G. Just yet. A lot depends on the disgruntled pair, Watson and Wilson. If I was WFT, I’d overpay for one on them. Smith is an injury risk Im not convinced that Watson or Wilson get traded. The free agent market for QB isn't very good unless Dak leaves. Not sure anyone on the market would be difference makers. WFT imo have a solid nucleus in terms of weapons and a defense. Theyre a QB away from being scary. If I were them I'd be all over Watson but I dont think anybody will meet Houston asking price of 4 first rounders outside of the Jets or Dolphins simply because they each have 2 this year. If I were the Jets im not sure I'd make that trade though as they're hardly a QB away from contending. Alex Smith imo should start the transition into coaching. I think he'd be a damn good coach. No team will give four first for anyone. Not even Mahomes. He gets hurt in year one, you are screwed |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 5:03:18 GMT
I'm an outsider, and don't get this drafting thing.
So players just get picked by a team, then have to play there?
What if they don't want to play for that club, or live in that place? What if they could get a better deal elsewhere. They might hate the club that picked them?
I don't get it 🤷♀️
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Post by Shane Falco on Feb 21, 2021 5:28:59 GMT
I'm an outsider, and don't get this drafting thing. So players just get picked by a team, then have to play there? What if they don't want to play for that club, or live in that place? What if they could get a better deal elsewhere. They might hate the club that picked them? I don't get it 🤷♀️ They get paid based on the number they are drafted at. They don't really get to negotiate as the salary is fixed until they become a free agent after 4 or 5 years. If they don't want to play there then they can try and make the team that drafted them trade them (it has happened before but not often) or they can retire/quit. They don't really have much say in the matter. |
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Post by tristramshandy on Feb 21, 2021 6:58:07 GMT
That's me! Of course that argument holds for everything. Why watch games? You don't personally know anybody and the scores are put on the Internet after they happen. The suspense
I guess there's suspense in the Draft but I care more if Dallas can beat Cleveland than whether Detroit takes a linebacker or a receiver.
Some people are interested in how the beer gets brewed, the car gets assembled, the movie gets made. That's me with football teams.
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Post by tristramshandy on Feb 21, 2021 7:11:53 GMT
I'm an outsider, and don't get this drafting thing. So players just get picked by a team, then have to play there? What if they don't want to play for that club, or live in that place? What if they could get a better deal elsewhere. They might hate the club that picked them? I don't get it 🤷♀️ Is that any different that transfers? Does the player get to decide in those cases?
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Post by tristramshandy on Feb 21, 2021 7:23:19 GMT
Absolutely love all things NFL offseason. The building of a team is as fun for me as the games themselves. I literally watch the whole draft, all seven rounds. Shane Falco, I'm your man. It might only be the two of us posting in this thread (other than people coming in to mock our love of mocks), but I'll be all in. I'm interested in seeing how the mocks are constructed post-Wentz trade. Anybody catching your eye in mocks? You're a Steelers fan correct? In my own mock im putting together I have Najee Harris to Pitt but I keep hearing that they'd never take a RB in the 1st round and the popular mock is an O lineman which would also make sense. I'd be thrilled to get Harris. Art Rooney has mentioned improving the run game multiple times so far this offseason. He's more of the stereotypical Steelers back versus Etienne. The tackles make a lot of sense to me, but I keep hearing that they are going to go with Zach Banner at right tackle. Still, Jalen Mayfield or Teven Jenkins have to be in the top five for first round likelihood. The wild card pick right now: Zaven Collins out of Tulsa. Everybody assumes the Steelers will go offense with the first round pick, but Steelers always love linebackers. He could play next to Devin Bush on 1st and 2nd down and rush the passer on third down.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 7:33:59 GMT
I'm an outsider, and don't get this drafting thing. So players just get picked by a team, then have to play there? What if they don't want to play for that club, or live in that place? What if they could get a better deal elsewhere. They might hate the club that picked them? I don't get it 🤷♀️ Is that any different that transfers? Does the player get to decide in those cases? If you mean in football (soccer), then it's totally different. A transfer is an agreement between the selling club, the buying club, and the player. If the player doesn't like the deal/club, it doesn't happen. They have choices. The draft you have is bizarre. It's like indentured slavery. |
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Feb 21, 2021 8:22:27 GMT
The suspense
I guess there's suspense in the Draft but I care more if Dallas can beat Cleveland than whether Detroit takes a linebacker or a receiver.
Some people are interested in how the beer gets brewed, the car gets assembled, the movie gets made. That's me with football teams. Not knocking anyone who likes it. Not my cup of black strap molasses |
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Post by Shane Falco on Feb 21, 2021 11:22:31 GMT
Anybody catching your eye in mocks? You're a Steelers fan correct? In my own mock im putting together I have Najee Harris to Pitt but I keep hearing that they'd never take a RB in the 1st round and the popular mock is an O lineman which would also make sense. I'd be thrilled to get Harris. Art Rooney has mentioned improving the run game multiple times so far this offseason. He's more of the stereotypical Steelers back versus Etienne. The tackles make a lot of sense to me, but I keep hearing that they are going to go with Zach Banner at right tackle. Still, Jalen Mayfield or Teven Jenkins have to be in the top five for first round likelihood. The wild card pick right now: Zaven Collins out of Tulsa. Everybody assumes the Steelers will go offense with the first round pick, but Steelers always love linebackers. He could play next to Devin Bush on 1st and 2nd down and rush the passer on third down. UGH! I hate you a bit as Collins has become a draft crush for me for GB. I know they won't pick him as they don't prioritize that position. In my mind he fits as a cover LB and a rusher after they cut Preston Smith. Jalen Mayfield is another I like for GB too. |
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Feb 21, 2021 12:08:31 GMT
I'm an outsider, and don't get this drafting thing. So players just get picked by a team, then have to play there? What if they don't want to play for that club, or live in that place? What if they could get a better deal elsewhere. They might hate the club that picked them? I don't get it 🤷♀️ The socialized world of American sports. Very few players can work the system to avoid playing for the team that drafted them. You have to be willing to hold out and risk a career. John Elway, quarterback for Denver did it in 1983. Cornelius Bennett, linebacker for the mighty Buffalo Bills did it in 1987. I can't really remember the last time a 1st round pick in the NFL held out and demanded a trade. A few years ago, a HS baseball pitcher, Matt Harrington, tried to work the MLB draft system. He ended up never getting the big payday or a shot at the majors. He works at a department store now.
A name you might have heard of, OJ Simpson, was drafted bu Buffalo in 1969. He was southern California all out and never was tactful about his feeling for Buffalo. But he couldn't go anywhere until he was too old.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Feb 21, 2021 12:15:10 GMT
Is that any different that transfers? Does the player get to decide in those cases? If you mean in football (soccer), then it's totally different. A transfer is an agreement between the selling club, the buying club, and the player. If the player doesn't like the deal/club, it doesn't happen. They have choices. The draft you have is bizarre. It's like indentured slavery. Freaky, aint it? The only thing it the US that is totally socialized is out sports. Between amateur drafts and salary caps, we do everything to even the playing field. Like the Scorpion in the story, it's in our nature. Americans could never stand a league like the Bundesliga where you have one big dog and the rest fighting for scraps. We all hope out teams will win a title someday. A team like West Ham or Hoffenheim, where you know damn well, you'll never see them holding up a trophy would be the kiss of death. Fan support would be nil
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 12:19:28 GMT
If you mean in football (soccer), then it's totally different. A transfer is an agreement between the selling club, the buying club, and the player. If the player doesn't like the deal/club, it doesn't happen. They have choices. The draft you have is bizarre. It's like indentured slavery. Freaky, aint it? The only thing it the US that is totally socialized is out sports. Between amateur drafts and salary caps, we do everything to even the playing field. Like the Scorpion in the story, it's in our nature. Americans could never stand a league like the Bundesliga where you have one big dog and the rest fighting for scraps. We all hope out teams will win a title someday. A team like West Ham or Hoffenheim, where you know damn well, you'll never see them holding up a trophy would be the kiss of death. Fan support would be nil
Seems crazy to me, as does not having promotion and relegation. How do you grow and progress? Where's the jeopardy? If you're halfway through a season and not in the title race, you had may as well not bother carry on playing the rest of the season. It's pointless. |
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Post by Shane Falco on Feb 21, 2021 12:47:31 GMT
Freaky, aint it? The only thing it the US that is totally socialized is out sports. Between amateur drafts and salary caps, we do everything to even the playing field. Like the Scorpion in the story, it's in our nature. Americans could never stand a league like the Bundesliga where you have one big dog and the rest fighting for scraps. We all hope out teams will win a title someday. A team like West Ham or Hoffenheim, where you know damn well, you'll never see them holding up a trophy would be the kiss of death. Fan support would be nil
Seems crazy to me, as does not having promotion and relegation. How do you grow and progress? Where's the jeopardy? If you're halfway through a season and not in the title race, you had may as well not bother carry on playing the rest of the season. It's pointless. Which brings us to the draft. The worst team gets the #1 pick and in sense gives you the chance at the best player. It has brought on the idea of "tanking". You lose on purpose because you feel that the best player coming into the draft could change your franchise. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 12:49:27 GMT
Seems crazy to me, as does not having promotion and relegation. How do you grow and progress? Where's the jeopardy? If you're halfway through a season and not in the title race, you had may as well not bother carry on playing the rest of the season. It's pointless. Which brings us to the draft. The worst team gets the #1 pick and in sense gives you the chance at the best player. It has brought on the idea of "tanking". You lose on purpose because you feel that the best player coming into the draft could change your franchise. So if you're not in the title race, it's in your interest to play to lose? So that you get your pick of the indentured slaves at the auction. That's crazy. |
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Post by Shane Falco on Feb 21, 2021 13:03:53 GMT
Which brings us to the draft. The worst team gets the #1 pick and in sense gives you the chance at the best player. It has brought on the idea of "tanking". You lose on purpose because you feel that the best player coming into the draft could change your franchise. So if you're not in the title race, it's in your interest to play to lose? That's crazy. Kind of, yeah. It all depends on what perspective you want to view it upon. No player wants to lose/suck as it will cost them a job/money. Same goes for a coach. Meanwhile the team owners don't give a fuck (they are billionaires already) as unless they are contenders they might as well lose and get the best draft choice. Owners have no real fear for there jobs. Meanwhile players getting drafted get paid more via how high they are drafted. So even if its a shitty team/place the player is likely to go there because its more money. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 21, 2021 14:08:44 GMT
Which brings us to the draft. The worst team gets the #1 pick and in sense gives you the chance at the best player. It has brought on the idea of "tanking". You lose on purpose because you feel that the best player coming into the draft could change your franchise. So if you're not in the title race, it's in your interest to play to lose? So that you get your pick of the indentured slaves at the auction. That's crazy. The draft is truly an antiquated process. There's no reason for it to exist, particularly with a salary cap for the league. What other walk of life are you forced to work somewhere you don't want to work? It's crazy.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Feb 21, 2021 14:11:40 GMT
I'm an outsider, and don't get this drafting thing. So players just get picked by a team, then have to play there? What if they don't want to play for that club, or live in that place? What if they could get a better deal elsewhere. They might hate the club that picked them? I don't get it 🤷♀️ The socialized world of American sports. Very few players can work the system to avoid playing for the team that drafted them. You have to be willing to hold out and risk a career. John Elway, quarterback for Denver did it in 1983. Cornelius Bennett, linebacker for the mighty Buffalo Bills did it in 1987. I can't really remember the last time a 1st round pick in the NFL held out and demanded a trade. A few years ago, a HS baseball pitcher, Matt Harrington, tried to work the MLB draft system. He ended up never getting the big payday or a shot at the majors. He works at a department store now.
A name you might have heard of, OJ Simpson, was drafted bu Buffalo in 1969. He was southern California all out and never was tactful about his feeling for Buffalo. But he couldn't go anywhere until he was too old.
Yeah but Elway, unlike most others in this position, had a Yankees career to use as leverage. If Trevor Lawrence, for example, doesn’t want to be a Jaguar, what’s his recourse? |
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Feb 21, 2021 14:12:21 GMT
So if you're not in the title race, it's in your interest to play to lose? So that you get your pick of the indentured slaves at the auction. That's crazy. The draft is truly an antiquated process. There's no reason for it to exist, particularly with a salary cap for the league. What other walk of life are you forced to work somewhere you don't want to work? It's crazy. Parity. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 21, 2021 14:20:40 GMT
The draft is truly an antiquated process. There's no reason for it to exist, particularly with a salary cap for the league. What other walk of life are you forced to work somewhere you don't want to work? It's crazy. Parity. The salary cap is supposed to provide that. Players will take the best opportunity available no matter what; be it salary, playing time or championship potential. It should be up to them. You shouldn't get strong armed into working for a terrible organization because the league is willing to bail out your idiotic employer year after year. Executives need to learn how to do their jobs. Some teams generate greater revenue, but if there's a hard cap you simply cannot spend beyond, the playing field would be truly level and it's up to the teams to sell themselves to the players. The draft is just another example of a system set up to protect the executives from their own stupidity, and even then it doesn't work 3/4 of the time.
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