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Post by tristramshandy on Feb 21, 2021 17:16:18 GMT
Freaky, aint it? The only thing it the US that is totally socialized is out sports. Between amateur drafts and salary caps, we do everything to even the playing field. Like the Scorpion in the story, it's in our nature. Americans could never stand a league like the Bundesliga where you have one big dog and the rest fighting for scraps. We all hope out teams will win a title someday. A team like West Ham or Hoffenheim, where you know damn well, you'll never see them holding up a trophy would be the kiss of death. Fan support would be nil
Seems crazy to me, as does not having promotion and relegation. How do you grow and progress? Where's the jeopardy? If you're halfway through a season and not in the title race, you had may as well not bother carry on playing the rest of the season. It's pointless. What seems bizarre to me is being a fan in soccer of a team who has zero chance to win perpetually. Do all of those teams just hope they'll be Leicester City? What's the purpose? To only have NINE champions in 89 years of La Liga, with 60 championships won by TWO clubs - - what's the purpose? Why care if you have almost no chance of ever win a championship? I'll save my "no playoffs" bafflement for later.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Feb 21, 2021 18:16:17 GMT
Freaky, aint it? The only thing it the US that is totally socialized is out sports. Between amateur drafts and salary caps, we do everything to even the playing field. Like the Scorpion in the story, it's in our nature. Americans could never stand a league like the Bundesliga where you have one big dog and the rest fighting for scraps. We all hope out teams will win a title someday. A team like West Ham or Hoffenheim, where you know damn well, you'll never see them holding up a trophy would be the kiss of death. Fan support would be nil
Seems crazy to me, as does not having promotion and relegation. How do you grow and progress? Where's the jeopardy? If you're halfway through a season and not in the title race, you had may as well not bother carry on playing the rest of the season. It's pointless. There's no lower division for American football, so promotion and relegation moot. Baseball does but the Minor Leagues are slaves to the majors.
Some teams do "tank", trade off all their best players for draft picks or prospects. It causes a debate, some saying it letting the fans down, others say if this season is a disaster, look to the future. But player pride sometimes messes things up. For most of 2020, the NY Jets were a shipwreck. 0-13 and a lock for the #1. But they won two of the last three, against playoff teams. Now they pick second
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Feb 21, 2021 18:24:15 GMT
The socialized world of American sports. Very few players can work the system to avoid playing for the team that drafted them. You have to be willing to hold out and risk a career. John Elway, quarterback for Denver did it in 1983. Cornelius Bennett, linebacker for the mighty Buffalo Bills did it in 1987. I can't really remember the last time a 1st round pick in the NFL held out and demanded a trade. A few years ago, a HS baseball pitcher, Matt Harrington, tried to work the MLB draft system. He ended up never getting the big payday or a shot at the majors. He works at a department store now.
A name you might have heard of, OJ Simpson, was drafted bu Buffalo in 1969. He was southern California all out and never was tactful about his feeling for Buffalo. But he couldn't go anywhere until he was too old.
Yeah but Elway, unlike most others in this position, had a Yankees career to use as leverage. If Trevor Lawrence, for example, doesn’t want to be a Jaguar, what’s his recourse? A holdout would be the only recourse. I'm not sure if the team loses rights after a year or not anymore.
I still think Cornelius Bennett was the last holdout of a high pick to go into the season.
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Post by movieliker on Feb 22, 2021 4:38:08 GMT
The NFL salary cap was raised from $175 million, to $180 million.
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Post by shadyvsesham on Feb 22, 2021 7:57:01 GMT
We got no draft picks. Watt is gone. Watson is out the door.
Phenomenal Houston....
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Post by Shane Falco on Mar 1, 2021 3:05:56 GMT
My own personal Mock Draft 1.0 because I find them fun to do.
#1 JAX = Trevor Lawrence QB Clemson - No brainer.
#2 CAR (Trade) = Zach Wilson QB BYU - The Panthers seem to be aggressive in terms of a future QB. If they can't land a Watson I think the next logical move is trading up for Wilson.
#3 MIA = DeVonta Smith WR Alabama - Reunite Tua and Smith. Miami goes forward with Tua next season and gives him every chance to succeed with some familiarity here.
#4 ATL = Patrick Surtain II CB Alabama - With Wilson gone I'm not sure the Falcons go QB here. I think they believe Ryan is still the guy for now. Surtain helps a lackluster DB group on day one.
#5 CIN = Penei Sewell OT Oregon - Arguably the best OT in the draft. #1 priority at all costs is to protect Joe Burrow.
#6 PHI = Ja'Marr Chase WR Clemson - Philly needs offensive weapons and Chase could be the best WR in the draft. People may just forget that since he opted out last season.
#7 DET = Jaylen Waddle WR Alabama - Detroit will potentially be losing their top 3 WRs in FA in Galloway/Jones/Amendola. I think they could tag Galloway but even so, they need to give Goff some help.
#8 NYJ (via Trade) = Kyle Pitts TE Florida - Best offensive weapon available imo. I think the Jets give Darnold one more shot with a non idiot head coach. They give him some weapons.
#9 DEN = Caleb Farley CB Virginia Tech - Denver has invested enough in the offense over the years they need it to work. It is help on defense this year and Farley fills a need while also possibly being BPA.
#10 DAL = Rashawn Slater OT Northwestern - Some may find this interesting but the Oline in Dallas isn't the dominant force it used to be. Smith can't stay healthy. CB is a big need but I think with McCarthy at HC Jones gives him more help on offense to try and convince us it was a good hire.
#11 NYG = Jaelen Phillips EDGE Miami - Giants could go multiple ways here but I think they take one of the best edge rushers in the draft. No WR is worth this slot imo.
#12 SF = Trey Lance QB North Dakota St. - Some may disagree but I think the 49ers are ready to move on from Jimmy after 2021. Let Trey Lance sit for 2021 and take the huddle in 2022 as the future. This also affords the 9ers to retain key FA's like Kittle while Lance is on a rookie contract.
#13 LAC = Christian Darrisaw OT Virginia Tech - Much like Burrow with Cindy. LA needs to protect Herbert at all costs.
#14 WAS (Trade) = Justin Fields QB Ohio St. - Washington trades up as imo they are possibly a QB away from being real contenders. They have some solid weapons and a top level defense.
#15 NE = Mac Jones QB Alabama - I doubt this happens but imo it just makes too much sense. NE needs a QB and unless they go the Marcus Mariotta route I think they draft one. Belichick with his connection to Saban seems like he would know more about Jones than anyone.
#16 ARI = Gregory Rousseau EDGE Miami - Arizona could go multiple ways here as well. Imo no CB is worth this spot. Rousseau was a thought for the Giants at 11 but from what I hear/read is he may not be a day 1 starter but could develop as the best pass rusher because of his traits.
#17 LV = Daviyon Nixon DL Iowa - This may be a homer pick for me but I LOVE Nixon. He is an amazing athlete for 6'3 305 LBs. He can dunk a basketball and shows incredible instincts around the ball. Just watch his 70 yard pick six against Penn State.
#18 MIA = Dillon Radunz OT North Dakota St. - Miami got Tua a weapon earlier now they get him protection. Radunz may be underrated because his small school. In 2019 he gave up zero sacks.
#19 MIN (via Trade) = Alijah Vera-Tucker OL USC - Vikings trade down to get more picks and take a need in Tucker. He is likely a Guard in the NFL but the Vikings could use the help at OL where they can get it.
#20 CHI = Jalen Mayfield OT Michigan - Another NFC North team in need of offensive line help. Mayfield is a solid RT prospect whose claim to fame in college was handling Chase Young. Might not be a stud but he is a starter.
#21 IND = Teven Jenkins OT Oklahoma St. - Indy goes OT in an attempt to help provide Wentz the provided time he needs to find a WR or TE to catch the ball.
#22 TEN = Kwity Paye EDGE Michigan - Vrabel said that he wants a large pass rusher. Well, Paye is 6'4 and 277 lbs. You can't teach that.
#23 NYJ = Kadarius Toney WR Florida - Another weapon for Sam Darnold here. Under the new Mike Lafleur offense they need a YAC receiver in the likes of Brandon Aiyuk and Deebo Samuel in SF.
#24 PIT = Najee Harris RB Alabama - PIT could go OL here but I dont think one falls to them and I think the rest are a reach. Najee Harris would be a big weapon for a team that needs to get back to a running game imo.
#25 JAX = Jaycee Horn CB South Carolina - Jaguars could use a lot here. I just think that CB is the more valuable position to take at this spot. Jaycee Horn son of former Saints WR Joe Horn has the bloodlines to him, for what that is worth.
#26 CLE = Micah Parsons LB Penn State - Micah Parsons is BPA here. I think he falls unless his off field things get cleared up. Cleveland has shown the willingness to take chances on guys like this.
#27 BAL = Rashod Bateman WR Minnesota - Baltimore needs a bigger receiving target for Lamar Jackson and Dez Bryant wasn't it.
#28 NO = Trevon Moehrig S TCU - Marcus Williams is a FA and it leaves a hole at Safety. Moehrig is also imo BPA at this time.
#29 GB = Greg Newsome CB Northwestern - Packers possibly reach here but Newsome would fill a huge need right away as Kevin King is out the door.
#30 BUF = Travis Etienne RB Clemson - What better way to help Josh Allen than by getting a running game going so he doesn't have to do it all?
#31 KC = Landon Dickerson C Alabama - After that Super Bowl performance the Oline showed to be a weakness. IOL is a need and Dickerson is the best Center in the draft but injuries are a concern.
#32 TB = Zaven Collins LB Tulsa - Lavonte David imo leaves in FA. Collins would excell in Bowles defense as a cover LB who can rush the passer. He would be scary on blitzes.
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Post by Shane Falco on Mar 1, 2021 3:21:06 GMT
I spent maybe 3 weeks on this mock. Let me know, did I fuck your team up? Would you be happy with these selections? Who do you think got shafted by not being a first round pick?
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Post by Xeliou66 on Mar 1, 2021 4:13:14 GMT
Loved your mock draft, nice work.
I would be very happy if the Falcons drafted Surtain, he’s the best corner in the draft and the Falcons corners suck moose ass. I would rather them draft Surtain than a QB, Marty Ice still has enough left in the tank to get them back to the playoffs.
What could throw the whole draft off is a Watson trade - if he goes to say, the Jets, then you will likely have 3 straight QB’s taken to start the draft as Houston will need a QB then.
I definitely think the Steelers and Bills need to draft a RB, and the Titans definitely need a pass rusher.
Overall a great mock draft and I could definitely see it playing out like that.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Mar 1, 2021 4:15:55 GMT
I spent maybe 3 weeks on this mock. Let me know, did I fuck your team up? Would you be happy with these selections? Who do you think got shafted by not being a first round pick? What I'm reading, which means absolutely nothing for the Patriots, Belichick will likely skip a QB in the first round because the good ones will be gone. Select a WR or defensive gamebreaker of a guy who can line up multiple positions. BB will likely take some project QB, yet again, in the 3rd or 4th round, & try to acquire Jacoby Brissett. TE Kyle Pitts is the lottery win for this draft, alas I don't think 14 teams are stupid enough to pass ahead of them. I see Russell Wilson has listed the Saints, Cowboys, Bears, or Raiders as destinations. Is that the first time in history a HOF QB has greenlit the Bears?
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Post by Shane Falco on Mar 1, 2021 5:29:46 GMT
I spent maybe 3 weeks on this mock. Let me know, did I fuck your team up? Would you be happy with these selections? Who do you think got shafted by not being a first round pick? What I'm reading, which means absolutely nothing for the Patriots, Belichick will likely skip a QB in the first round because the good ones will be gone. Select a WR or defensive gamebreaker of a guy who can line up multiple positions. BB will likely take some project QB, yet again, in the 3rd or 4th round, & try to acquire Jacoby Brissett. TE Kyle Pitts is the lottery win for this draft, alas I don't think 14 teams are stupid enough to pass ahead of them. I see Russell Wilson has listed the Saints, Cowboys, Bears, or Raiders as destinations. Is that the first time in history a HOF QB has greenlit the Bears? Like I said in my mock I doubt Bill takes Mac there. However in my head it just made too much sense without knowing what happens via trades and free agency. Had Pitts fell I would have for sure given them that pick. Bill will probably given his history trade down for more picks so maybe a team trades with them for Mac. Maybe somebody like Kyle Trask or Kellen Mond would intrigue Bill on Day 2. In terms of Wilson and the Bears I would have to think so. Its the only way the Bears could get an elite one because they sire can't draft and develop any.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Mar 1, 2021 20:31:04 GMT
In any other year, I'd like to see the Bills move up to get a quality RB. but I'm not sold on Najee Harris or Travis Etienne. Both are a tad on the smallish side and the bills haven't had the best luck with Alabama players (Marcell Darius, Cyrus Kouandjio, Regie Ragland) or Clemson players (Sammy Watkins, CJ Spiller, Shaq Lawson). They might be better off taking best athlete available @ #30 and then taking a RB later. I like Trey Sermon from Ohio State. Could be there in the 2nd. Looks like WFT is going to dump Alex Smith. I have to believe they are going to move way up and get a QB. Unless they really believe Taylor Heinicke is a Super Bowl caliber QB. They could be a QB away from being a serious contender. The NFC East is on a downturn and could be theirs for the taking. And I'm really thinking the Jets will trade out of #2. Face it, no rookie QB is going to make that team a playoff threat in 2021. The Bills are king of that hill for now, Miami looks good (real good if Tua can develop) and That Team From Massachusetts can't be counted out yet. They could get a ridiculous amount of booty for the pick, fill a lot of holes and give Darnold one more shot. I'm betting WFT gets the pick and takes Zach Wilson. And there's still the Russell Wilson/DeShaun Watson drama to play out. Always like this site for draft stuff. They update their mocks once a week walterfootball.com/draft2021.php
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Post by tristramshandy on Mar 2, 2021 0:23:43 GMT
In 90% of mocks, if the Steelers get Najee Harris, I'm elated. There are only three top end running backs in this draft, and they'll all be gone by the Steelers' second round pick.
However, if this board was what was staring the Steelers in the face, I'd be running up to the podium to take Parsons - - and I think the Steelers would too. Just too good of a talent to pass up, and they just can't help it when it comes to linebackers.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Mar 2, 2021 2:47:26 GMT
*edit* Patriots 3rd round pick was forfeited because the team filmed a game between the Bengals & Browns. That's where we are. Draft picks are taken from the Patriots because filming an NFL game.
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Post by tristramshandy on Mar 10, 2021 1:30:23 GMT
Division 3 kid from Wisconsin-Whitewater is moving on up the draft boards.
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Post by Shane Falco on Mar 10, 2021 2:18:58 GMT
Division 3 kid from Wisconsin-Whitewater is moving on up the draft boards. He has gotten a lot of attention after his Senior Bowl picture circulated online. Dude is a giant and looks like your prototypical offensive lineman. I've mostly been seeing him in the 3rd/4th round range on guys rankings.
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Post by tristramshandy on Mar 10, 2021 2:36:11 GMT
Division 3 kid from Wisconsin-Whitewater is moving on up the draft boards. He has gotten a lot of attention after his Senior Bowl picture circulated online. Dude is a giant and looks like your prototypical offensive lineman. I've mostly been seeing him in the 3rd/4th round range on guys rankings. It's surprising how often lower level college programs can have offensive linemen who make it to the NFL. The Steelers have had multiple-year starters on the o-line from Pitt-Johnstown, Maine, Hofstra, Bloomsburg, etc. Tampa Bay had an interior offensive line in the playoffs of guys from Hobart, James Madison, North Dakota State, Humboldt State, and Colorado State-Pueblo. I think this kid probably goes in the third round and will be no worse off than the guys being taken from the SEC and Big Ten.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 10, 2021 15:38:19 GMT
I spent maybe 3 weeks on this mock. Let me know, did I fuck your team up? Would you be happy with these selections? Who do you think got shafted by not being a first round pick? What I'm reading, which means absolutely nothing for the Patriots, Belichick will likely skip a QB in the first round because the good ones will be gone. Select a WR or defensive gamebreaker of a guy who can line up multiple positions. BB will likely take some project QB, yet again, in the 3rd or 4th round, & try to acquire Jacoby Brissett. TE Kyle Pitts is the lottery win for this draft, alas I don't think 14 teams are stupid enough to pass ahead of them. I see Russell Wilson has listed the Saints, Cowboys, Bears, or Raiders as destinations. Is that the first time in history a HOF QB has greenlit the Bears? Noooo!!!! WRs drafted by the Patriots since 2010: 2010 Taylor Price (out of the league 2012 Jeremy Ebert (out of the league) 2013 Aaron Dobson (out of the league) 2013 Josh Boyce (out of the league) 2014 Jeremy Gallon (out of the league) 2016 Malcolm Mitchell (out of the league) 2016 Devin Lucien (out of the league) 2018 Braxton Berrios (now playing for NYJ) 2019 N'Keal Harry (sucks) WRs drafted by the Patriots since 2010: Fewest in the league in receptions, receiving yards, receiving TDs, 100 yd receiving games. And they had Brady at QB! His best bet is to sign a quality WR, because like many positions, he can't evaluate it for shit. Besides, we all know he's going to trade down to take a hybrid safety out of Division III Nowhere State University to prove how much of an outside the box thinker he is. Then the media can blame a bad roster for Belichick's failure while glossing over the fact that he put that roster together in the first place. At this point the only question is which will Belichick do worse this upcoming season, draft or coach?
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Mar 10, 2021 15:53:42 GMT
Rumor has it we're going for Florida's TE folks
This guy is apparently a Tony Gonzalez / Ozzie Newsome / Gronk hybrid
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Post by tristramshandy on Mar 10, 2021 17:03:26 GMT
Rumor has it we're going for Florida's TE folks This guy is apparently a Tony Gonzalez / Ozzie Newsome / Gronk hybrid Blocking isn't that great but he's going to be a WEAPON on offense.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Mar 10, 2021 18:18:46 GMT
Rumor has it we're going for Florida's TE folks This guy is apparently a Tony Gonzalez / Ozzie Newsome / Gronk hybrid Some see Pitts as the 2nd best player in the draft. More of a WR than a TE. But sometimes those "tweeners" don't work so well. No one knows what to do with them. Like Isaiah Simmons from Clemson last year.
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