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Post by mortsahlfan on Feb 28, 2021 15:49:23 GMT
I think so.
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Post by politicidal on Feb 28, 2021 15:51:17 GMT
It seems they're evenly matched.
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Post by petrolino on Feb 28, 2021 16:08:28 GMT
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Post by thisguy4000 on Feb 28, 2021 16:11:53 GMT
I think The Rock, Tom Cruise, and Leonardo DiCaprio are bigger stars than him currently.
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Post by ck100 on Feb 28, 2021 17:23:15 GMT
Well not today.
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Post by ant-mac on Feb 28, 2021 17:25:55 GMT
I don't know if he's ever been the biggest star in motion pictures - or TV - but he has consistently maintained a top tier position for several decades. So that's pretty good going.
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 28, 2021 17:36:04 GMT
Cruise and co. have had to do franchises and brand names. Eastwood afaik never did.
His characters were always written for him.
The modern so-called movie star is completely enslaved to the corporate mentality.
It's funny to see Eastwood here with Heston because the latter has a more theatrical speaking manner--
Eastwood couldn't do the Biblical speech the way Heston could. I can't
imagine Eastwood as Ben-Hur or Moses. Yet, you can't imagine DiCaprio or Cruise as Dirty Harry--it would cringe-worthy.
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Post by Mulder and Scully on Feb 28, 2021 17:48:14 GMT
Cruise and co. have had to do franchises and brand names. Eastwood afaik never did. His characters were always written for him. The modern so-called movie star is completely enslaved to the corporate mentality. It's funny to see Eastwood here with Heston because the latter has a more theatrical speaking manner-- Eastwood couldn't do the Biblical speech the way Heston could. I can't imagine Eastwood as Ben-Hur or Moses. Yet, you can't imagine DiCaprio or Cruise as Dirty Harry--it would cringe-worthy. That's because every actor can't play every role. I can't see Eastwood as Arnie Grape or Frank Abagnale Jr. and I can't see Eastwood as Jerry Mcquire or Charlie Babbit. Every actor is built differently. |
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 28, 2021 17:59:41 GMT
That's because every actor can't play every role. I can't see Eastwood as Arnie Grape or Frank Abagnale Jr. and I can't see Eastwood as Jerry Mcquire or Charlie Babbit. Every actor is built differently.
I know but that's not the modern view.
Supposedly DiCaprio can do the scrawny western sidekick, the western hero, the romantic hero, the rugged outdoors-man, J Edgar Hoover, Howard Hughes... they are all very different and yet one guy did them all. It used to require like 5 different actor types for those parts but in our down-sizing democratic age anyone can be anything they want to be. It's forcing someone into roles they are not the best suited for--same with Cruise and Johnny Depp.
Depp was Tonto, Barnabas Collins, Ichabod Crane, John Dillinger.
Jonathan Frid would never have been considered for Tonto or Dillinger, and Warren Oates would never have been considered for Tonto or Barnabas Collins.
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Post by Mulder and Scully on Feb 28, 2021 19:58:51 GMT
That's because every actor can't play every role. I can't see Eastwood as Arnie Grape or Frank Abagnale Jr. and I can't see Eastwood as Jerry Mcquire or Charlie Babbit. Every actor is built differently.
I know but that's not the modern view.
Supposedly DiCaprio can do the scrawny western sidekick, the western hero, the romantic hero, the rugged outdoors-man, J Edgar Hoover, Howard Hughes... they are all very different and yet one guy did them all. It used to require like 5 different actor types for those parts but in our down-sizing democratic age anyone can be anything they want to be. It's forcing someone into roles they are not the best suited for--same with Cruise and Johnny Depp.
Depp was Tonto, Barnabas Collins, Ichabod Crane, John Dillinger.
Jonathan Frid would never have been considered for Tonto or Dillinger, and Warren Oates would never have been considered for Tonto or Barnabas Collins.
That wasn't always the case. Actors like Peter Sellers and Alec Guinnesss played ethnic characters when they really should have used ethnic actors. It was more common back in the day to have actors to play characters of different race. Anthony Quinn played so many ethnic characters when they easily could have used ethnic actors. Atleast Cruise and DiCaprio don't portray non-white characters. |
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 28, 2021 21:36:01 GMT
That wasn't always the case. Actors like Peter Sellers and Alec Guinnesss played ethnic characters when they really should have used ethnic actors. It was more common back in the day to have actors to play characters of different race. Anthony Quinn played so many ethnic characters when they easily could have used ethnic actors. Atleast Cruise and DiCaprio don't portray non-white characters. Who in 1964 who was asian would have been Dr Lao? No box office names for that. There's none that could have done-especially given the other roles it required. In some cases I think the use of a white actor was meant to moderate the racial differences--they used light-skin black people for a long time. Ones that looked kind of white. That was part of the reason as well--they didnt want to make the racial differences so obvious. In the case of what I a talking about--it's reducing the variety of role types. Down-sizing instead of greater diversity.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Feb 28, 2021 21:50:44 GMT
Cruise and co. have had to do franchises and brand names. Eastwood afaik never did. His characters were always written for him. The modern so-called movie star is completely enslaved to the corporate mentality. It's funny to see Eastwood here with Heston because the latter has a more theatrical speaking manner-- Eastwood couldn't do the Biblical speech the way Heston could. I can't imagine Eastwood as Ben-Hur or Moses. Yet, you can't imagine DiCaprio or Cruise as Dirty Harry--it would cringe-worthy. I don’t think DiCaprio has ever been stuck doing franchises.
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Post by Mulder and Scully on Feb 28, 2021 22:00:11 GMT
That wasn't always the case. Actors like Peter Sellers and Alec Guinnesss played ethnic characters when they really should have used ethnic actors. It was more common back in the day to have actors to play characters of different race. Anthony Quinn played so many ethnic characters when they easily could have used ethnic actors. Atleast Cruise and DiCaprio don't portray non-white characters. Who in 1964 who was asian would have been Dr Lao? No box office names for that. There's none that could have done-especially given the other roles it required. In some cases I think the use of a white actor was meant to moderate the racial differences--they used light-skin black people for a long time. Ones that looked kind of white. That was part of the reason as well--they didnt want to make the racial differences so obvious. In the case of what I a talking about--it's reducing the variety of role types. Down-sizing instead of greater diversity.
Having white actors portray non-white characters is nonsense in any era. The fact the they didn't cast an Asian actor as Dr Lao shows that non-white actors didn't have a lot opportunies to grow in Hollywood during that era. You would throwing a tantrum had non-white actors portrayed white characters on the same scale during that era. Miscasting is a whole different thing, though. |
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 28, 2021 22:09:07 GMT
I don’t think DiCaprio has ever been stuck doing franchises. I consider him doing remakes--Titanic, Hoover, Man in the Wilderness, Three Musketeers. Eastwood fared better on that score.
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 28, 2021 22:14:31 GMT
Having white actors portray non-white characters is nonsense in any era. The fact the they didn't cast an Asian actor as Dr Lao shows that non-white actors didn't have a lot opportunies to grow in Hollywood during that era. You would throwing a tantrum had non-white actors portrayed white characters on the same scale during that era. Miscasting is a whole different thing, though. You are forgetting that the majority was European and the art form was aimed at Europeans. It would be as weird as saying that in 1964 Japan, there's no excuse for them to not cast some Somalis in a movie about Somalia. Who could they find in Japan to do the role and be box office potential? It's unrealistic.
Like there was a guy who wrote into comic book magazines in the early 60s complaining they didnt have asian characters--but why would they when the majority--like 90 something percent of the audience was not asian and neither were the creators? It's an unreasonable demand.
Like expecting hotel service in cantonese in the middle of the Sudan.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Feb 28, 2021 22:18:03 GMT
I don’t think DiCaprio has ever been stuck doing franchises. I consider him doing remakes--Titanic, Hoover, Man in the Wilderness, Three Musketeers. Eastwood fared better on that score. How many people even knew there were other movies about the sinking of the Titanic before the James Cameron movie?
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 28, 2021 22:30:37 GMT
How many people even knew there were other movies about the sinking of the Titanic before the James Cameron movie? Well it was a night to remember.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 28, 2021 22:38:50 GMT
He may be the oldest biggest star still alive and functional in the industry, but I wouldn’t say he was a star of this current generation.
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Post by mortsahlfan on Feb 28, 2021 23:44:27 GMT
I think if you ask a random person, whether its in America or Earth, you'll get more affirmatives when you say the name Clint Eastwood than the others mentioned.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Mar 4, 2021 22:38:25 GMT
The Rock, Tom Cruise, and Leonardo DiCaprio Right now? Yep. They're it. Only stars I can think of that can open a movie just on the strength of them being in it.
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