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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 3, 2021 18:30:10 GMT
Like I said, Frogs. Good stuff, as always. I'd argue Dream is garbage at FT%, 3PT%, PPG, APG and RPG compared to Jo-Jo 
See how this works?  I covered this yesterday. Dream's career stats trend down because he played forever. In the prime window I posted his stats for yesterday, his RPG, APG were better than Embiid's, and his steals and blocks were miles better. Agreed Olajuwon was a garbage three point shooter, which means nothing considering he averaged .1 attempts over his career.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 3, 2021 18:31:07 GMT
Did Rey really say Steph was Steve Kerr? It isn't the first time I've said it, either. You're usually too busy drinking, or threatening to quit the site for attention to notice.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Mar 3, 2021 18:35:58 GMT
Did Rey really say Steph was Steve Kerr? It isn't the first time I've said it, either. You're usually too busy drinking, or threatening to quit the site for attention to notice. Steph is Steve Kerr
And you call me a Troll - good stuff
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 3, 2021 18:39:30 GMT
It isn't the first time I've said it, either. You're usually too busy drinking, or threatening to quit the site for attention to notice. Steph is Steve Kerr
And you call me a Troll - good stuff "Larry Bird wasn't that good." "Scottie Pippen wasn't that good." "Embiid would dominate the original Dream Team even though he got swept out of the playoffs by Daniel Theis." Good stuff.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Mar 3, 2021 18:41:02 GMT
Steph is Steve Kerr
And you call me a Troll - good stuff "Larry Bird wasn't that good." "Scottie Pippen wasn't that good." "Embiid would dominate the original Dream Team even though he got swept out of the playoffs by Daniel Theis." Good stuff. I never said any of those things
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 3, 2021 18:44:54 GMT
"Larry Bird wasn't that good." "Scottie Pippen wasn't that good." "Embiid would dominate the original Dream Team even though he got swept out of the playoffs by Daniel Theis." Good stuff. I never said any of those things Yes you did. Anyway, I thought of a better comparison for Curry. Frogs favorite, Jeff Hornacek. Good player, an all star even. But not a generation talent in a league that doesn't bend over backwards for his particular skillset.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Mar 3, 2021 18:48:34 GMT
I never said any of those things Yes you did. Anyway, I thought of a better comparison for Curry. Frogs favorite, Jeff Hornacek. Good player, an all star even. But not a generation talent in a league that doesn't bend over backwards for his particular skillset. I think Bird was a very good player - I just don't think he's as great as everybody makes him out to be.
I think Pippen was a good player - but pretty much the same - take Jordan away - and that's what he is - a good player. Nothing more nothing less
And I do think Embiid would be 'Elite' in the time of the Dream Team Centers
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 3, 2021 18:52:55 GMT
Yes you did. Anyway, I thought of a better comparison for Curry. Frogs favorite, Jeff Hornacek. Good player, an all star even. But not a generation talent in a league that doesn't bend over backwards for his particular skillset. I think Bird was a very good player - I just don't think he's as great as everybody makes him out to be.
I think Pippen was a good player - but pretty much the same - take Jordan away - and that's what he is - a good player. Nothing more nothing less
And I do think Embiid would be 'Elite' in the time of the Dream Team Centers
Your first two points have been proven wrong by history. Your third point has no factual basis. Embiid can't beat teams with below average centers in the playoffs, he would've been eaten alive by any center in the top ten ever.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Mar 3, 2021 18:59:26 GMT
I think Bird was a very good player - I just don't think he's as great as everybody makes him out to be.
I think Pippen was a good player - but pretty much the same - take Jordan away - and that's what he is - a good player. Nothing more nothing less
And I do think Embiid would be 'Elite' in the time of the Dream Team Centers
Your first two points have been proven wrong by history. Your third point has no factual basis. Embiid can't beat teams with below average centers in the playoffs, he would've been eaten alive by any center in the top ten ever. He's played 238 games in his career
You can't just make a blanket statement like that when this is pretty much his 5th year playing - it's a team game too
It's not just Embiid out there on the court - it's a 5 on 5 game
We have to see how his career unfolds to make that statement
Patrick Ewing never won a title. What does that say about him? Dan Marino, Allen Iverson, Charles Barkley - the list goes on and on - does this mean they were not Elite players? Because they got bounced in the playoffs?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 3, 2021 19:08:24 GMT
Your first two points have been proven wrong by history. Your third point has no factual basis. Embiid can't beat teams with below average centers in the playoffs, he would've been eaten alive by any center in the top ten ever. He's played 238 games in his career
You can't just make a blanket statement like that when this is pretty much his 5th year playing - it's a team game too
It's not just Embiid out there on the court - it's a 5 on 5 game
We have to see how his career unfolds to make that statement
Patrick Ewing never won a title. What does that say about him? Dan Marino, Allen Iverson, Charles Barkley - the list goes on and on - does this mean they were not Elite players? Because they got bounced in the playoffs?
What does this prove, other than he's brittle? It's a 5 on 5 game, but you keep insisting Embiid and Simmons are two of the all time greats. When are they going to even reach a conference final? Maybe this is the year they finally get a #1 seed? We have to wait for his career to unfold to make what statement? We're talking about the current Embiid. He currently doesn't belong in the same discussion with Shaq or Olajuwon, as you've been insisting. Every player you listed was the key cog on a team that went to the championship round. Embiid, well, see above.
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Post by Mulder and Scully on Mar 3, 2021 19:11:32 GMT
If todays players played in the 80s and 90s, they would have trained according to the playing style of that era, in order to withstand the physical defense. But they didn't. So your argument means nothing. Their style of play is based on a wide open, free flowing game. The dominant players of that 80s-90s era played in a bruising league, how do you think it would affect their numbers to not have to deal with physical defense? How are you not understanding the difference? Transplant Steph Curry into that era and how would he play immediately? Transplant prime Bird, Jordan, Magic, Barkley, etc into today's NBA and what adjustments would they have to make to score the basketball? Get it? You treat your hypothetical scenarios as if they were facts. We can't "transplant" any players into different eras. You're arguing about something so stupid and pointless. This is nonsense fantasy basketball. |
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Mar 3, 2021 19:12:43 GMT
He's played 238 games in his career
You can't just make a blanket statement like that when this is pretty much his 5th year playing - it's a team game too
It's not just Embiid out there on the court - it's a 5 on 5 game
We have to see how his career unfolds to make that statement
Patrick Ewing never won a title. What does that say about him? Dan Marino, Allen Iverson, Charles Barkley - the list goes on and on - does this mean they were not Elite players? Because they got bounced in the playoffs?
What does this prove, other than he's brittle? It's a 5 on 5 game, but you keep insisting Embiid and Simmons are two of the all time greats. When are they going to even reach a conference final? Maybe this is the year they finally get a #1 seed? We have to wait for his career to unfold to make what statement? We're talking about the current Embiid. He currently doesn't belong in the same discussion with Shaq or Olajuwon, as you've been insisting. Every player you listed was the key cog on a team that went to the championship round. Embiid, well, see above. My point all along was that he has a better Skill Set than both Dream and Shaq
Which is true - so he does belong in the same discussion - as that is the way his career is trending if he keeps playing like this.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 3, 2021 19:17:31 GMT
What does this prove, other than he's brittle? It's a 5 on 5 game, but you keep insisting Embiid and Simmons are two of the all time greats. When are they going to even reach a conference final? Maybe this is the year they finally get a #1 seed? We have to wait for his career to unfold to make what statement? We're talking about the current Embiid. He currently doesn't belong in the same discussion with Shaq or Olajuwon, as you've been insisting. Every player you listed was the key cog on a team that went to the championship round. Embiid, well, see above. My point all along was that he has a better Skill Set than both Dream and Shaq
Which is true - so he does belong in the same discussion - as that is the way his career is trending if he keeps playing like this.
Offensively he's more versatile than either of them, but Dream dominated at both ends which is a different skillset altogether. And Shaq was an absolute force, like few others in the history of the league. But I agree the way Embiid's career is trending, he'll be in that conversation by the time he retires.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Mar 3, 2021 19:22:01 GMT
My point all along was that he has a better Skill Set than both Dream and Shaq
Which is true - so he does belong in the same discussion - as that is the way his career is trending if he keeps playing like this.
Offensively he's more versatile than either of them, but Dream dominated at both ends which is a different skillset altogether. And Shaq was an absolute force, like few others in the history of the league. But I agree the way Embiid's career is trending, he'll be in that conversation by the time he retires. Then we've been in agreeance all along!
Look at that!
You saying he's more versatile than both is the same as me saying he has a greater Skill Set than both!
Took awhile but glad we are both in agreeance
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Post by Mulder and Scully on Mar 3, 2021 19:24:26 GMT
Again, you're litreally asking about something that can't be proved. If Curry and Thompson played in the 80s and 90s, they would have trained according to the playing style of that era, in order to withstand the physical defense. They would've adjusted. This is the same pointless argument we had before. It's always going to be hypothetical, no matter what you say. There's no way to explain a dunderhead like you. No, I'm talking about this version of those players. Try again. Jordan of the 80s and 90s would dominate today if he appeared out of a time machine. How would Curry and Steph do in a more physical league? The fact that you won't answer that question speaks volumes. That's because your question is unreasonable. It can't be answered. We'll never know how Curry and Thompson would have performed if they played in the 80s and 90s. And I'll say it again and again, its hypothetical fantasy nonsense. When it's all said and done, Curry and Thompson are going to be considered among the greatest players of all time. Both are future HOFers. Nothing will ever change that. While you'll still be here throwing a tantrum like a delusional old fool. You never had an argument. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 3, 2021 19:24:58 GMT
But they didn't. So your argument means nothing. Their style of play is based on a wide open, free flowing game. The dominant players of that 80s-90s era played in a bruising league, how do you think it would affect their numbers to not have to deal with physical defense? How are you not understanding the difference? Transplant Steph Curry into that era and how would he play immediately? Transplant prime Bird, Jordan, Magic, Barkley, etc into today's NBA and what adjustments would they have to make to score the basketball? Get it? You treat your hypothetical scenarios as if they were facts. We can't "transplant" any players into different eras. You're arguing about something so stupid and pointless. This is nonsense fantasy basketball. You just don't understand what I'm saying. "If they played in that era, they would've trained the same way as everyone else and thus been just as effective." The point is that their game, as it is now, is a product of the time they live in, and that's the argument I'm making. Jordan/Thomas/Barkley etc. in their prime would dominate this league without any caveats. They could show up and dominate. Curry and Klay would have to figure out how to deal with a more physical league where defenders are allowed to put their hands all over you and the defense doesn't get out of the way when you drive the lane.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 3, 2021 19:27:39 GMT
Offensively he's more versatile than either of them, but Dream dominated at both ends which is a different skillset altogether. And Shaq was an absolute force, like few others in the history of the league. But I agree the way Embiid's career is trending, he'll be in that conversation by the time he retires. Then we've been in agreeance all along!
Look at that!
You saying he's more versatile than both is the same as me saying he has a greater Skill Set than both!
Took awhile but glad we are both in agreeance I said this yesterday. But the difference was Dream's defense, which is a separate skillset. And Shaq, while not particularly versatile, was nearly unstoppable in his prime. So saying Embiid has a better skillset isn't saying he's a better player overall.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 3, 2021 19:39:54 GMT
No, I'm talking about this version of those players. Try again. Jordan of the 80s and 90s would dominate today if he appeared out of a time machine. How would Curry and Steph do in a more physical league? The fact that you won't answer that question speaks volumes. That's because your question unreasonable. It can't be answered. We'll never know how Curry and Thompson would have performed if they played in the 80s and 90s. And I'll say it again and again, its hypothetical fantasy nonsense. When it's all set and done, Curry and Thompson are going to be considered among the greatest players of all time. Both are future HOFers. While you'll still be here throwing a tantrum like an old fool. You never had an argument. Both are future HOFers, no question. Both are great players in today's NBA. My argument has always been that they wouldn't have been superstars in that particular era. It's always hypothetical nonsense to compare players from different eras, it's a staple of sports debate. The difference is I can imagine actual scenarios and tell you why I think things would or wouldn't work. All you have is, "Nope, you're wrong, old head." The "old head" thing is idiotic, if I'm being honest. I'm 43, I look 35 max, and I still play basketball recreationally. You seem to have this vision of a decrepit 70 year old man yelling from his couch, and I can assure you that isn't the case. I play basketball, and unlike you, I know basketball as it existed more than 5 years ago.
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Post by Mulder and Scully on Mar 3, 2021 19:51:28 GMT
That's because your question unreasonable. It can't be answered. We'll never know how Curry and Thompson would have performed if they played in the 80s and 90s. And I'll say it again and again, its hypothetical fantasy nonsense. When it's all set and done, Curry and Thompson are going to be considered among the greatest players of all time. Both are future HOFers. While you'll still be here throwing a tantrum like an old fool. You never had an argument. Both are future HOFers, no question. Both are great players in today's NBA. My argument has always been that they wouldn't have been superstars in that particular era. It's always hypothetical nonsense to compare players from different eras, it's a staple of sports debate. The difference is I can imagine actual scenarios and tell you why I think things would or wouldn't work. All you have is, "Nope, you're wrong, old head." The "old head" thing is idiotic, if I'm being honest. I'm 43, I look 35 max, and I still play basketball recreationally. You seem to have this vision of a decrepit 70 year old man yelling from his couch, and I can assure you that isn't the case. I play basketball, and unlike you, I know basketball as it existed more than 5 years ago. You sound like a delusuonal, arrogant, self-proclaimed basketball expert. Your opinion is not a fact. You can't imagine any scenarios because it's complete nonsense. All you do is play fantasy basketball like an idiot. And you're always going to be an old head because only old heads love to throw tantrums about eras. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 3, 2021 19:57:41 GMT
Both are future HOFers, no question. Both are great players in today's NBA. My argument has always been that they wouldn't have been superstars in that particular era. It's always hypothetical nonsense to compare players from different eras, it's a staple of sports debate. The difference is I can imagine actual scenarios and tell you why I think things would or wouldn't work. All you have is, "Nope, you're wrong, old head." The "old head" thing is idiotic, if I'm being honest. I'm 43, I look 35 max, and I still play basketball recreationally. You seem to have this vision of a decrepit 70 year old man yelling from his couch, and I can assure you that isn't the case. I play basketball, and unlike you, I know basketball as it existed more than 5 years ago. You sound like a delusuonal, arrogant, self-proclaimed basketball expert. Your opinion is not a fact. You can't imagine any scenarios because it's complete nonsense. All you do is play fantasy basketball like an idiot. And you're always going to be an old head because only old heads love to throw tantrums about eras. Ok, so you're 12. Good to know. I even agreed they were future Hall of Famers and you're still angry. Are you related to one of them? It's fine. Get back to me when you have an actual argument.
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