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Post by Vits on Mar 5, 2021 14:34:15 GMT
It's so goddamn fucking stupid I can't even wrap my mind around it. Now Norman Bates is transgendered and exists to make transgendered people look bad?
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Post by lowtacks86 on Mar 5, 2021 18:18:57 GMT
It's so goddamn fucking stupid I can't even wrap my mind around it. Now Norman Bates is transgendered and exists to make transgendered people look bad? I wonder why she stopped calling herself "Nostalgia Chick"? Was it because she didn't just wanna be known as a female version of Nostalgia Critic?
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Post by Vits on Mar 5, 2021 18:38:37 GMT
I wonder why she stopped calling herself "Nostalgia Chick"? Was it because she didn't just wanna be known as a female version of Nostalgia Critic? Well, that was a character that reviewed movies. She chose to make essays as herself. But yeah, I'm sure that her feelings towards that company partly influenced her decision to drop that name.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Mar 5, 2021 18:41:40 GMT
I wonder why she stopped calling herself "Nostalgia Chick"? Was it because she didn't just wanna be known as a female version of Nostalgia Critic? Well, that was a character that reviewed movies. She chose to make essays as herself. But yeah, I'm sure that her feelings towards that company partly influenced her decision to drop that name. Oh is she not affiliated with Nostalgia Critic anymore? I haven't watched her in a while.
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Post by Vits on Mar 5, 2021 19:42:48 GMT
Oh is she not affiliated with Nostalgia Critic anymore? I haven't watched her in a while. Boy, where do I start with this? I'll try to sum it up, but I still advice you to search for certain documentaries on YouTube that cover this topic (known as Change the Channel). Channel Awesome was exposed as a toxic work environment. Some YouTubers (including Lindsay) gradually quit over the years, but in 2018, all of them got together to write a document detailing all the issues they had experienced. This included a couple of women accusing Justin Carmical a.k.a. JewWario (who had committed suicide in 2014) of sexual abuse. They released it online and every remaining YouTuber working there left Exodus style. C.A. responded without actually apologizing, losing a huge amount of subscribers as a result. To this day, those YouTubers struggle when making decisions about their old videos. They don't want to be associated with the company, but they also don't want to remove the content they created. In fact, Kaylyn Saucedo/MarzGurl had a 2-hour tribute to Carmical (made in 2015) on her hands. Allison Pregler/Obscurus Lupa has gotten into arguments with random YouTubers who find copies of her videos and upload them on their channels. Shark Jumping is the only channel who deleted all of its videos.
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Post by janntosh on Mar 6, 2021 2:27:43 GMT
It's so goddamn fucking stupid I can't even wrap my mind around it. Now Norman Bates is transgendered and exists to make transgendered people look bad? Is this supposed to mean anything? |
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Post by marianne48 on Mar 6, 2021 2:47:33 GMT
Why is My Fair Lady problematic? Because Rex Harrison is trying to pass himself off as a singer?
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Post by TheOriginalPinky on Mar 6, 2021 15:15:07 GMT
Why is My Fair Lady problematic? Because Rex Harrison is trying to pass himself off as a singer? Ostensibly due to the horrible way he treated and talked to Eliza. Abuse.
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Post by kolchak92 on Mar 16, 2021 3:14:56 GMT
Here's TCM's official explanation of it.
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Post by darkreviewer2013 on Mar 16, 2021 9:29:55 GMT
Didn't Psycho once catch flack for being the first movie to show a toilet? Apparently, showing women smoking on film was shocking to some censors in the early 20th century. The real-life toilet must have traumatized these poor sensitive souls. Wasn't there even flushing and all?
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Post by darkreviewer2013 on Mar 16, 2021 9:31:01 GMT
I wonder what movies from the present day will be considered problematic in 80-100 years time.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 16, 2021 12:41:38 GMT
Newsflash, human history is problematic. At least I prefer this over censorship. I also hate that Guess Who's Coming to Dinner? is included in this. True, John Prentiss (as portrayed by Sidney Poitier) is the idealized black male character that liberal whites want to have, but it's an image that all peoples of color should aspire to. Now that interracial marriage isn't so strongly despised on, the bigger underlying issue in that movie was whether it's appropriate for a 37-year-old to marry a 23-year-old woman after having just met in ten days. How is Psycho "problematic"? Because he dresses up in drag? Yeah. Norman cross-dressing as his mother and being a serial murderer can be seen as transphobic. Some in the LGBT community have complained about Buffalo Bill's portrayal from The Silence of the Lambs. Which is why I have no problem with some open discussion about problematic elements to these films. Blade Runner features a scene where the protagonist forces himself on a woman against her will, and shoots another woman in the back as she runs for her life. Think we'll ever see the hero do that in a film again? By all means, let's talk about those scenes; how they should or could be interpreted, what the intent of those scenes were when they were originally imagined. (Personally I think it has more to do with replicants being viewed as 'subhuman' by the humans in the story than any gender oriented conversation, but it's worth a discussion if anyone sees it differently.) A healthy discussion of an uncomfortable topic is a good thing. Since when is any aspect of filmmaking not worth discussing? Social mores evolve over time, we should go back and reexamine what we as a culture were thinking at a certain time as compared to today. As you said, it's a hell of a lot better than censorship. Don't just throw it away and pretend it never happened, ask why it happened and look at how far we've come since then.
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Post by hi224 on Mar 16, 2021 12:47:13 GMT
Newsflash, human history is problematic. At least I prefer this over censorship. I also hate that Guess Who's Coming to Dinner? is included in this. True, John Prentiss (as portrayed by Sidney Poitier) is the idealized black male character that liberal whites want to have, but it's an image that all peoples of color should aspire to. Now that interracial marriage isn't so strongly despised on, the bigger underlying issue in that movie was whether it's appropriate for a 37-year-old to marry a 23-year-old woman after having just met in ten days. Yeah. Norman cross-dressing as his mother and being a serial murderer can be seen as transphobic. Some in the LGBT community have complained about Buffalo Bill's portrayal from The Silence of the Lambs. Which is why I have no problem with some open discussion about problematic elements to these films. Blade Runner features a scene where the protagonist forces himself on a woman against her will, and shoots another woman in the back as she runs for her life. Think we'll ever see the hero do that in a film again? By all means, let's talk about those scenes; how they should or could be interpreted, what the intent of those scenes were when they were originally imagined. (Personally I think it has more to do with replicants being viewed as 'subhuman' by the humans in the story than any gender oriented conversation, but it's worth a discussion if anyone sees it differently.) A healthy discussion of an uncomfortable topic is a good thing. Since when is any aspect of filmmaking not worth discussing? Social mores evolve over time, we should go back and reexamine what we as a culture were thinking at a certain time as compared to today. As you said, it's a hell of a lot better than censorship. Don't just throw it away and pretend it never happened, ask why it happened and look at how far we've come since then. It's similiar with Birth of a Nation. We can take consideration of the directors feelings and intentions while making it and see his perspective as problematic while also acknowledging how influential and important certain aspects are. |
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Post by janntosh on Mar 16, 2021 13:34:14 GMT
Newsflash, human history is problematic. At least I prefer this over censorship. I also hate that Guess Who's Coming to Dinner? is included in this. True, John Prentiss (as portrayed by Sidney Poitier) is the idealized black male character that liberal whites want to have, but it's an image that all peoples of color should aspire to. Now that interracial marriage isn't so strongly despised on, the bigger underlying issue in that movie was whether it's appropriate for a 37-year-old to marry a 23-year-old woman after having just met in ten days. Yeah. Norman cross-dressing as his mother and being a serial murderer can be seen as transphobic. Some in the LGBT community have complained about Buffalo Bill's portrayal from The Silence of the Lambs. Which is why I have no problem with some open discussion about problematic elements to these films. Blade Runner features a scene where the protagonist forces himself on a woman against her will, and shoots another woman in the back as she runs for her life. Think we'll ever see the hero do that in a film again? By all means, let's talk about those scenes; how they should or could be interpreted, what the intent of those scenes were when they were originally imagined. (Personally I think it has more to do with replicants being viewed as 'subhuman' by the humans in the story than any gender oriented conversation, but it's worth a discussion if anyone sees it differently.) A healthy discussion of an uncomfortable topic is a good thing. Since when is any aspect of filmmaking not worth discussing? Social mores evolve over time, we should go back and reexamine what we as a culture were thinking at a certain time as compared to today. As you said, it's a hell of a lot better than censorship. Don't just throw it away and pretend it never happened, ask why it happened and look at how far we've come since then. Do we really want someone lecturing us on how to feel about certain things? Especially since we now live in a word where something can get accused of racism or sexism at the drop of a hat? I say no . Talking about interpretations of scenes is one thing, using modern critical race or gender theory to attack older films and lecture us is another |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 16, 2021 13:36:44 GMT
Which is why I have no problem with some open discussion about problematic elements to these films. Blade Runner features a scene where the protagonist forces himself on a woman against her will, and shoots another woman in the back as she runs for her life. Think we'll ever see the hero do that in a film again? By all means, let's talk about those scenes; how they should or could be interpreted, what the intent of those scenes were when they were originally imagined. (Personally I think it has more to do with replicants being viewed as 'subhuman' by the humans in the story than any gender oriented conversation, but it's worth a discussion if anyone sees it differently.) A healthy discussion of an uncomfortable topic is a good thing. Since when is any aspect of filmmaking not worth discussing? Social mores evolve over time, we should go back and reexamine what we as a culture were thinking at a certain time as compared to today. As you said, it's a hell of a lot better than censorship. Don't just throw it away and pretend it never happened, ask why it happened and look at how far we've come since then. Do we really want someone lecturing us on how to feel about certain things? I say no . Talking about interpretations of scenes is one thing, using modern critical race or gender theory to attack older films and lecture us is another Critical thinking is never a bad thing.
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Post by spooner5020 on Mar 16, 2021 14:36:05 GMT
Do we really want someone lecturing us on how to feel about certain things? I say no . Talking about interpretations of scenes is one thing, using modern critical race or gender theory to attack older films and lecture us is another Critical thinking is never a bad thing. Can’t tell if you’re joking or serious. Does anyone realize if we thought like this years ago how boring movies and tv shows would be? |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 16, 2021 14:45:21 GMT
Critical thinking is never a bad thing. Can’t tell if you’re joking or serious. Does anyone realize if we thought like this years ago how boring movies and tv shows would be? I can never tell if you guys are joking or being serious. "I don't want people lecturing me or telling me how to feel." This is how society progresses; otherwise slavery would still exist and women wouldn't be able to vote. We as a culture constantly achieve a better understanding of social equity through this kind of discussion. As for an honest discussion of film. Has cable news convinced you that everything is an attack? Do you think TCM is just going to have a bunch of hippies or left wing politicians complaining about misogyny and racism, or do you think they'll have a panel of film experts adding context to the film by discussing the social norms of that time as compared to today?
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Post by spooner5020 on Mar 16, 2021 14:58:58 GMT
Can’t tell if you’re joking or serious. Does anyone realize if we thought like this years ago how boring movies and tv shows would be? I can never tell if you guys are joking or being serious. "I don't want people lecturing me or telling me how to feel." This is how society progresses; otherwise slavery would still exist and women wouldn't be able to vote. We as a culture constantly achieve a better understanding of social equity through this kind of discussion. As for an honest discussion of film. Has cable news convinced you that everything is an attack? Do you think TCM is just going to have a bunch of hippies or left wing politicians complaining about misogyny and racism, or do you think they'll have a panel of film experts adding context to the film by discussing the social norms of that time as compared to today? How does it make sense though to cancel movies like Grease cause there are no LGBT people in it and cause someone finds it rapey? Why cancel a show like Friends because it may offend some people? This is not a good path forward. I’d like to believe there will be both sides on talking about these movies, because the left is a bunch of sensitive little babies nowadays. The right used to be pretty bad, but the left is just obnoxious. I’m an independent by the way. And speaking of cable news actually yeah they have. Remember the crash Tiger Woods had weeks ago, cnn claimed it was because of RACISM? WHAT THE FUCK?  |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 16, 2021 15:07:20 GMT
I can never tell if you guys are joking or being serious. "I don't want people lecturing me or telling me how to feel." This is how society progresses; otherwise slavery would still exist and women wouldn't be able to vote. We as a culture constantly achieve a better understanding of social equity through this kind of discussion. As for an honest discussion of film. Has cable news convinced you that everything is an attack? Do you think TCM is just going to have a bunch of hippies or left wing politicians complaining about misogyny and racism, or do you think they'll have a panel of film experts adding context to the film by discussing the social norms of that time as compared to today? How does it make sense though to cancel movies like Grease cause there are no LGBT people in it and cause someone finds it rapey? Why cancel a show like Friends because it may offend some people? This is not a good path forward. I’d like to believe there will be both sides on talking about these movies, because the left is a bunch of sensitive little babies nowadays. The right used to be pretty bad, but the left is just obnoxious. I’m an independent by the way. And speaking of cable news actually yeah they have. Remember the crash Tiger Woods had weeks ago, cnn claimed it was because of RACISM? WHAT THE FUCK? I'm also an independent.  Admittedly I don't follow the cancel culture news too closely, the only time I ever hear about it are people complaining on this board. Have Grease and Friends been canceled? I agree, I don't like things being canceled; I didn't think that's what we were discussing here. I think open discussion of problematic elements in film/television is a fantastic alternative. That's hilarious about CNN and Tiger Woods, I'll have to take your word for it. I don't even know where the cable news channels are on my program guide.
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Post by spooner5020 on Mar 16, 2021 15:47:29 GMT
How does it make sense though to cancel movies like Grease cause there are no LGBT people in it and cause someone finds it rapey? Why cancel a show like Friends because it may offend some people? This is not a good path forward. I’d like to believe there will be both sides on talking about these movies, because the left is a bunch of sensitive little babies nowadays. The right used to be pretty bad, but the left is just obnoxious. I’m an independent by the way. And speaking of cable news actually yeah they have. Remember the crash Tiger Woods had weeks ago, cnn claimed it was because of RACISM? WHAT THE FUCK? I'm also an independent. Admittedly I don't follow the cancel culture news too closely, the only time I ever hear about it are people complaining on this board. Have Grease and Friends been canceled? I agree, I don't like things being canceled; I didn't think that's what we were discussing here. I think open discussion of problematic elements in film/television is a fantastic alternative. That's hilarious about CNN and Tiger Woods, I'll have to take your word for it. I don't even know where the cable news channels are on my program guide. No Grease and Friends have not been cancelled, but it shows the mentality of people on Twitter who thinks they need to be cause ONLY THEY don’t agree with it. Twitter just needs to die honestly. And yes CNN is such a joke!!! |
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