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Post by novastar6 on Mar 12, 2021 0:33:36 GMT
Or maybe that just didn't set well with you.
Spoilers obviously.
I love Coffy, but never liked the way King George died, or for that matter, Omar, who killed King George, even though we didn't actually see him die, that one always left me uneasy too even though I know of all the bad guys in this movie, if anybody deserved it, he did.
Likewise, I like Foxy Brown too, and the two guys she sets on fire, okay, sure, they deserve that, but the eyeball thing, that's uncomfortable for me. And I guess it's a testament to how great the movies were made back then, you can look at it from the aspect of how the effects were done, how they were shot to go together, know HOW they did it, and it's STILL very disturbing.
Law Abiding Citizen, granted, haven't seen the movie, maybe Darby actually deserved what he got, but the way in which he died, I'd have a hard time applying that to most movie villains...except maybe John Doe in Se7en, just to finally get some reaction out of him and realize he's not in control anymore.
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Post by Spitfire926f on Mar 12, 2021 1:10:52 GMT
Sicario--you knew throughout the film that he was maybe an anti-hero at best. At the end you realize he isn't even that. It was an effective ending, though.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Mar 12, 2021 1:11:06 GMT
Basically any comeuppance for Ms Squirrel in Bad Teacher would have been too much since she was far less villainous than the actual protagonist, but yeah, I don't think she deserved what she got.
Doesn't Jason Schwartzman get framed for cheating by the actual cheaters he was blackmailing in Slackers? Punished for blackmail I get, but framing him for something he didn't do... eh.
Green Mile is a weird one. Percy gets a fate worse than death for being a general piece of shit, while a child killing Sam Rockwell gets off with a couple of bullets.
I can't say what happened to John Cusack in Being John Malkovich was quite undeserved, though there's few people I'd wish it on. It's also another case where equally bad or worse characters (Diaz and Keener) are let off easy.
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Post by moviemouth on Mar 12, 2021 1:24:16 GMT
Basically any comeuppance for Ms Squirrel in Bad Teacher would have been too much since she was far less villainous than the actual protagonist, but yeah, I don't think she deserved what she got. Doesn't Jason Schwartzman get framed for cheating by the actual cheaters he was blackmailing in Slackers? Punished for blackmail I get, but framing him for something he didn't do... eh. Green Mile is a weird one. Percy gets a fate worse than death for being a general piece of shit, while a child killing Sam Rockwell gets off with a couple of bullets. I can't say what happened to John Cusack in Being John Malkovich was quite undeserved, though there's few people I'd wish it on. It's also another case where equally bad or worse characters (Diaz and Keener) are let off easy. What happens to John Cusack in Being John Malkovich again? I haven't seen it in a while, but I am curious.
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Mar 12, 2021 1:26:30 GMT
Basically any comeuppance for Ms Squirrel in Bad Teacher would have been too much since she was far less villainous than the actual protagonist, but yeah, I don't think she deserved what she got. Doesn't Jason Schwartzman get framed for cheating by the actual cheaters he was blackmailing in Slackers? Punished for blackmail I get, but framing him for something he didn't do... eh. Green Mile is a weird one. Percy gets a fate worse than death for being a general piece of shit, while a child killing Sam Rockwell gets off with a couple of bullets. I can't say what happened to John Cusack in Being John Malkovich was quite undeserved, though there's few people I'd wish it on. It's also another case where equally bad or worse characters (Diaz and Keener) are let off easy. What happens to John Cusack in Being John Malkovich again? I haven't seen it in a while, but I am curious. Trapped in Malkovich’s unconscious as a child, I believe. Unable to control him. All he can do is watch being raised. |
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Post by moviemouth on Mar 12, 2021 1:28:38 GMT
What happens to John Cusack in Being John Malkovich again? I haven't seen it in a while, but I am curious. Trapped in Malkovich’s unconscious as a child, I believe. Unable to control him. All he can do is watch being raised. I didn't pick up on that is what that meant at the end. Thanks for that. EDIT: I just re-watched the ending and I don't remember what I just saw at all. He is trapped in the little girl's mind. I am confused. The little girl is in John Malkovich's mind?
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Mar 12, 2021 1:36:04 GMT
Trapped in Malkovich’s unconscious as a child, I believe. Unable to control him. All he can do is watch being raised. I didn't pick up on that is what that meant at the end. Thanks for that. It was the subconscious of Diaz-Malkovich/Maxine's child, which means he's stuck there for the rest of that child's life, forced to watch the woman he loves live happily ever after with someone else on top of it. Mistakes were made. |
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Post by moviemouth on Mar 12, 2021 1:38:19 GMT
I didn't pick up on that is what that meant at the end. Thanks for that. , which means he's stuck there for the rest of that child's life, forced to watch the woman he loves live happily ever after with someone else on top of it. Mistakes were made. Oh, okay. That is why I was confused. I thought Popeye meant he was stuck in Malkovich's mind as baby Malkovich. I don't remember the girl part at all. I was remembering the ending way different. I'll have to watch it again soon.
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Post by ck100 on Mar 12, 2021 3:19:52 GMT
Saruman's fate in the theatrical cut of Return of the King. Thankfully, the Extended Edition fixed this.
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Post by moviemouth on Mar 12, 2021 4:39:33 GMT
I didn't pick up on that is what that meant at the end. Thanks for that. It was the subconscious of Diaz-Malkovich/Maxine's child, which means he's stuck there for the rest of that child's life, forced to watch the woman he loves live happily ever after with someone else on top of it. Mistakes were made. I re-watched it and this is my issue. The ending doesn't make sense. It would have made sense had John Cusack not left his body, but why is he just randomly in the little girl's mind at the end. The last time we see John Cusack he is alive. I we suppose to assume he died -- maybe suicide? and "karma" trapped him in the girl's mind? That doesn't work for me. Let me know if I am missing something. I completely agree that his cruel fate is undeserved, especially considering Diaz and all the rest of far worse. The old man is the one who should have gotten the fate that Cusack got. It should have ended with something happening to Cusack when he left the body (I mean just the fact that he has to go back to being a loser and this time with nobody would have been enough) and the old man missing the time frame and ending up in the daughter's mind. Something like that.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Mar 12, 2021 5:09:46 GMT
It was the subconscious of Diaz-Malkovich/Maxine's child, which means he's stuck there for the rest of that child's life, forced to watch the woman he loves live happily ever after with someone else on top of it. Mistakes were made. I re-watched it and this is my issue. The ending doesn't make sense. It would have made sense had John Cusack not left his body, but why is he just randomly in the little girl's mind at the end. The last time we see John Cusack he is alive. I we suppose to assume he died -- maybe suicide? and "karma" trapped him in the girl's mind? That doesn't work for me. Let me know if I am missing something. I completely agree that his cruel fate is undeserved, especially considering Diaz and all the rest of far worse. The old man is the one who should have gotten the fate that Cusack got. It should have ended with something happening to Cusack when he left the body (I mean just the fact that he has to go back to being a loser and this time with nobody would have been enough) and the old man missing the time frame and ending up in the daughter's mind. Something like that. After he left Malkovich and Maxine rejected him, he decided to go back to Malkovich but the old people had already taken over and the portal became a portal to Malkovich's daughter instead. For reasons explained by the old people that I forget (maybe that the daughter hadn't been born yet?), going into the portal at that time trapped your conscious. That's why I said his fate wasn't totally undeserved - he made the choice to go back in and do to Malkovich (the biggest victim of the movie) what ends up happening to him. But still shitty he's the only one who gets any karma. I certainly sympathised with Craig more than the other people using Malkovich. |
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Post by moviemouth on Mar 12, 2021 5:23:21 GMT
I re-watched it and this is my issue. The ending doesn't make sense. It would have made sense had John Cusack not left his body, but why is he just randomly in the little girl's mind at the end. The last time we see John Cusack he is alive. I we suppose to assume he died -- maybe suicide? and "karma" trapped him in the girl's mind? That doesn't work for me. Let me know if I am missing something. I completely agree that his cruel fate is undeserved, especially considering Diaz and all the rest of far worse. The old man is the one who should have gotten the fate that Cusack got. It should have ended with something happening to Cusack when he left the body (I mean just the fact that he has to go back to being a loser and this time with nobody would have been enough) and the old man missing the time frame and ending up in the daughter's mind. Something like that. After he left Malkovich and Maxine rejected him, he decided to go back to Malkovich but the old people had already taken over and the portal became a portal to Malkovich's daughter instead. For reasons explained by the old people that I forget (maybe that the daughter hadn't been born yet?), going into the portal at that time trapped your conscious. That's why I said his fate wasn't totally undeserved - he made the choice to go back in and do to Malkovich (the biggest victim of the movie) what ends up happening to him. But still shitty he's the only one who gets any karma. I certainly sympathised with Craig than the other villains. Okay, that makes sense. I obviously didn't get the implication that he went back into Malkovich, but why wouldn't the daughter vessel work like the Malkovich vessel? I find the explanations for the portal and how it exactly works sketchy. Like when does the old man pick who the next vessel will be and how does he do it? I mean, why is John Malkovich the next vessel in the first place? Why is the daughter automatically the next vessel? There is a relation there in that she is the daughter, but what is the relation of Malkovich to the old man? I don't' like when I feel stupid, so give me credit for putting myself out there.  Still, I liked the movie more this time then ever before. Now I rate it 7.3/10. I really like the movie up until the parts where Cusack stays in John Malkovich. Yes, it makes sense with the narrative, but it just isn't anywhere near as interesting as what came before to me.
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Post by Marv on Mar 12, 2021 18:08:11 GMT
Green Mile is a weird one. Percy gets a fate worse than death for being a general piece of shit. That’s the one I thought of right away. |
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Post by bravomailer on Mar 12, 2021 18:23:58 GMT
Robert Shaw at the end of Pelham 1 2 3. But it was voluntary.
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Post by Downey on Mar 12, 2021 18:27:21 GMT
Sicario was out of this world with its own villain comeuppance even Charles Bronson shit his pants.
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Post by Downey on Mar 12, 2021 18:28:11 GMT
Robert Shaw at the end of Pelham 1 2 3. But it was voluntary. Didn't watch the original only the remake which I think was probably better. |
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Post by bravomailer on Mar 12, 2021 18:35:42 GMT
Robert Shaw at the end of Pelham 1 2 3. But it was voluntary. Didn't watch the original only the remake which I think was probably better. Looks like there's also a made-for-TV version. FWIW the original got the best reviews. I saw it a few hours after my first experience on a NYC subway.
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Post by jamesbamesy on Mar 12, 2021 18:59:14 GMT
Disney has been responsible for these sometimes.
Tarzan - Clayton being hanged from vines in a grisly fashion. I know he's a selfish jerk and all, but man that was too much for their standards.
Atlantis: The Lost Empire - Rourke getting transformed into crystal then being shredded by propellers. Again, selfish jerk but brutal death.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Mar 12, 2021 21:02:35 GMT
Sid in Toy Story? It's not like he was torturing what he thought were actual beings (he thought the toys were inanimate objects) and the psycholgical trauma he got when they came to life will almost certainly require psyhciatric help.
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Post by Prime etc. on Mar 12, 2021 21:09:08 GMT
Sid in Toy Story? It's not like he was torturing what he thought were actual beings (he thought the toys were inanimate objects) and the psycholgical trauma he got when they came to life will almost certainly require psyhciatric help. This film..it always bothered me the stuff about him torturing toys because--ok I admit, I dropped Dr McCoy's action figure off a balcony a number of times--when he was on fire, but he was landing in a bucket of water..except the times I deliberately missed the bucket...which was more than one occasion.
I confess, I was cruel to Dr McCoy but he's a doctor dammit and he had a surly expression that annoyed me! But I think a story about toys being alive, and highlighting this tendency with kids and toy abuse? I am sorry this is very different from the land of misfit toys--that was using toys as a surrogate for accepting those who are different--but what exactly is the message with Toy Story? The kid was making new toys using baby heads and mechanical spider legs---I think it takes living toys a wee bit too seriously.
That bothered me about Toy Story.
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