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Post by moviemouth on Mar 12, 2021 6:05:39 GMT
I do, depending on the movie and depending on how much of it doesn't make sense to me.
Movies can not make sense and still have powerful themes, plot elements and other aspects that make me like the movie and the more those impact me the first time the more likely I am to watch the movie more times in order to see if it makes more sense the second, third etc. times I watch it.
Also, are there movies where you read about them and you still can't connect the dots?
I think a lot of people just like to trash movies that don't make sense to them, because it makes them feel stupid. I think we all need to get over this and just accept that levels of understanding differ from person to person.
Being John Malkovich, being in part about ego and being hard for me to follow in some areas made me curious to other people's perspective on this.
There is a great scene were John Malkovich goes into his own portal and it ends up being a terrifying solipsistic nightmare.
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Post by kolchak92 on Mar 12, 2021 6:10:31 GMT
Depends on the movie I guess.
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Post by louise on Mar 12, 2021 6:16:58 GMT
Sometimes. I though Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoise was very funny even though I didn’t understand it at all.
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Post by moviemouth on Mar 12, 2021 6:23:57 GMT
Sometimes. I though Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoise was very funny even though I didn’t understand it at all. That is one I like that I didn't really understand all that well, but it is one that has interesting themes, is very well made and is obvious satire about the upper class. I figure it also has French social/political commentary that I just don't know anything about.
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Post by jcush on Mar 12, 2021 6:31:47 GMT
Sometimes. I though Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoise was very funny even though I didn’t understand it at all. Good example. I liked that movie too, but didn't necessarily understand it fully.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 6:45:09 GMT
I like David Lynch films despite only having the most slippery grasp on what's going on a lot of the time.
So yeah, I guess.
I liked Possession (not David Lynch) and I'm still not 100% on what that was about.
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Post by moviemouth on Mar 12, 2021 6:52:08 GMT
I like David Lynch films despite only having the most slippery grasp on what's going on a lot of the time. So yeah, I guess. I liked Possession (not David Lynch) and I'm still not 100% on what that was about. Yeah, I mostly understand Mulholland Dr. and Lost Highway after a couple re-watches, but I have no clue what is going on in Inland Empire, nor do I even care. I had a hard time even finishing that movie, because I didn't like it at all, so I have no interest to watch it again to see if I could make more sense of it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 6:56:48 GMT
I like David Lynch films despite only having the most slippery grasp on what's going on a lot of the time. So yeah, I guess. I liked Possession (not David Lynch) and I'm still not 100% on what that was about. Yeah, I mostly understand Mulholland Dr. and Lost Highway after a couple re-watches, but I have no clue what is going on in Inland Empire, nor do I even care. I had a hard time even finishing that movie, because I didn't like it at all, so I have no interest to watch it again to see if I could make more sense of it. Lynch deliberately makes his works dreamlike, so sometimes there is no sense to what's going on. To find it, you'd have to pick apart what's going on in his head at the time. Another film I kinda get is The Turin Horse (also not Lynch) but I feel like I'm missing something. Like there's more there to it than the obvious. I'm sure as hell not sitting through that slog again, though.
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Post by moviemouth on Mar 12, 2021 6:59:22 GMT
Yeah, I mostly understand Mulholland Dr. and Lost Highway after a couple re-watches, but I have no clue what is going on in Inland Empire, nor do I even care. I had a hard time even finishing that movie, because I didn't like it at all, so I have no interest to watch it again to see if I could make more sense of it. Lynch deliberately makes his works dreamlike, so sometimes there is no sense to what's going on. To find it, you'd have to pick apart what's going on in his head at the time. Another film I kinda get is The Turin Horse (also not Lynch) but I feel like I'm missing something. Like there's more there to it. Yes, and that works with the rest of his movies except for Inland Empire. That movie is extremely tedious imo. The Turn Horse I believe is a metaphor for eternal recurrence, but I am sure there is more to it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 7:02:00 GMT
Lynch deliberately makes his works dreamlike, so sometimes there is no sense to what's going on. To find it, you'd have to pick apart what's going on in his head at the time. Another film I kinda get is The Turin Horse (also not Lynch) but I feel like I'm missing something. Like there's more there to it. Yes, and that works with the rest of his movies except for Inland Empire. That movie is extremely tedious imo. The Turn Horse I believe is just a metaphor for eternal recurrence, but I am sure there is more to it. Inland had some composite concepts. That's why the rabbit family was in it. Lynch just stuffed it in from an idea for a short or a short he had filmed. If you try to make greater meaning of it, you'll just fry your brain.
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Post by ck100 on Mar 12, 2021 7:04:48 GMT
It's a possibility for me.
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Post by moviemouth on Mar 12, 2021 7:07:46 GMT
Yes, and that works with the rest of his movies except for Inland Empire. That movie is extremely tedious imo. The Turn Horse I believe is just a metaphor for eternal recurrence, but I am sure there is more to it. Inland had some composite concepts. That's why the rabbit family was in it. Lynch just stuffed it in from an idea for a short or a short he had filmed. If you try to make greater meaning of it, you'll just fry your brain. I didn't understand Inland Empire, but that isn't the only reason I dislike it. I found it very annoyingly filmed and it is by far his most self indulgent movie. It seems to be made only for hardcore David Lynch fans and probably feels alienating to most other people.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 7:10:17 GMT
Inland had some composite concepts. That's why the rabbit family was in it. Lynch just stuffed it in from an idea for a short or a short he had filmed. If you try to make greater meaning of it, you'll just fry your brain. I didn't understand Inland Empire, but that isn't the only reason I dislike it. I found it very annoyingly filmed and it is by far his most self indulgent movie. It seems to be made only for hardcore David Lynch fans and probably feels alienating to most other people. I don't think David Lynch cares about catering to his fans. Everything in his history has pointed to him not wanting to or caring to do that. As far as the quality of the film, it's not his best. No argument here.
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Post by moviemouth on Mar 12, 2021 7:15:37 GMT
I didn't understand Inland Empire, but that isn't the only reason I dislike it. I found it very annoyingly filmed and it is by far his most self indulgent movie. It seems to be made only for hardcore David Lynch fans and probably feels alienating to most other people. As far as the quality of the film, it's not his best. No argument here. I think with Inland Empire and Twin Peaks 2 that is what he is doing. Prior to those I would agree with you. I think he tried to outdo Mullholland Dr. and in doing so went too far. I think that is where Nolan got into trouble with Tenet, though that movie is extremely entertaining.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 7:27:51 GMT
I don't think David Lynch cares about catering to his fans. Everything in his history has pointed to him not wanting to or caring to do that. As far as the quality of the film, it's not his best. No argument here. I think with Inland Empire and Twin Peaks 2 that is what he is doing. Prior to those I would agree with you. I wouldn't say that. He's obviously aware of what people like and that puts you in a tough spot as a creator to create independently because external forces are pushing you in a certain direction. Dougie is a good example. Was that an intentional subversion of expectations for that character or was that his plan? Did he change his plans for Cooper because he realized people liked him? Who the fuck knows? Twin Peaks was always culturally aware. That's why it was framed as a soap opera despite having some dark, weird, even supernatural themes. Even if he did cater in what you mention, he did that to begin with. He warped what you would expect even when you expected the warping. Look at Blue Velvet. I don't think he does it cynically or to pander. He's simply aware that art is part of a larger environment and creators do react to what is being said about their works. I can't criticize him as a panderer.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Mar 12, 2021 8:59:12 GMT
I think I have to have a basic understanding (or even theory if it's something abstract) of what's going on or I'm turned off.
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Post by darkreviewer2013 on Mar 12, 2021 9:47:04 GMT
Generally, no. There are a couple of movies that I've watched over the years that I've found difficult to understand and they proved to be frustrating viewing experiences. Some examples would be Memento (2000), Cloud Atlas (2012) (the ultimate example) and even 2001: A Space Odyssey (though I did like the latter film).
An exception would be Dario Argento's Suspiria (1977). I didn't entirely understand everything that was happening due to its dreamlike nature, but thoroughly enjoyed the experience nonetheless.
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Post by vegalyra on Mar 12, 2021 12:00:38 GMT
Yes, besides Lost Highway by Lynch (I think I understand some of it but not all) I really enjoy Last Year at Marienbad although I’m never sure exactly what the film means or what some of the characters represent. The film is beautifully shot though and the location is wonderful.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Mar 12, 2021 12:05:22 GMT
Yes i do.
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Post by Downey on Mar 12, 2021 12:25:32 GMT
If you're an idiot. Normal people like movies that make sense to them.
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