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Post by Harmless elf on Mar 14, 2021 19:35:34 GMT
9 to 5 comes to mind. If that movie came out today people would be complaining oh this is fighting the patriarchy all men are bad, women don't have opportunities...
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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 14, 2021 19:44:24 GMT
The Defiant Ones.
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Post by Harmless elf on Mar 14, 2021 19:49:46 GMT
Yeah half the critic reviews on rotten tomatoes are from this year so that tells you the movie probably is woke |
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Post by Prime etc. on Mar 14, 2021 19:50:39 GMT
The Intruder
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2021 20:10:03 GMT
9 to 5 wasn’t woke.
It was taking a stereotype like women being inferior as a business leader in the workplace and showing that they could do just as good of a job.
When people say a modern film is “woke” they mean taking something like Ghostbusters and turning into a female team. Okay, that’s not bad. Here’s where it gets ridiculous... then they make all the men morons or evil.
For example. Janine was the receptionist in the 1984 classic. She was very intelligent and underpaid. She mentions she quit better jobs, and often comes off with more common sense. That’s the joke. They are brilliant scientists.
In the 2016 film, Kevin is the male receptionist. He’s a blonde dumb idiot with no personality. No character development.
The Mayor in the 2016 film is a moron. His female assistant is the one who is really running the show.
The villain is a white male.
Dana in the 1984 film is a strong, independent woman. Smart, great job, apartment etc...
What message are you sending to young males? They are either evil or dumb. They can’t be intelligent and a good guy?
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Post by kolchak92 on Mar 14, 2021 20:17:44 GMT
A Patch of Blue (great film by the way) comes to mind.
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Post by Harmless elf on Mar 14, 2021 20:26:05 GMT
9 to 5 wasn’t woke. It was taking a stereotype like women being inferior as a business leader in the workplace and showing that they could do just as good of a job. When people say a modern film is “woke” they mean taking something like Ghostbusters and turning into a female team. Okay, that’s not bad. Here’s where it gets ridiculous... then they make all the men morons or evil. For example. Janine was the receptionist in the 1984 classic. She was very intelligent and underpaid. She mentions she quit better jobs, and often comes off with more common sense. That’s the joke. They are brilliant scientists. In the 2016 film, Kevin is the male receptionist. He’s a blonde dumb idiot with no personality. No character development. The Mayor in the 2016 film is a moron. His female assistant is the one who is really running the show. The villain is a white male. Dana in the 1984 film is a strong, independent woman. Smart, great job, apartment etc... What message are you sending to young males? They are either evil or dumb. They can’t be intelligent and a good guy? The movie is still woke by the actual definition of being woke |
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Post by Prime etc. on Mar 14, 2021 20:38:01 GMT
What message are you sending to young males? They are either evil or dumb. They can’t be intelligent and a good guy?
It's more obvious now but that kind of wokeness message you can detect in many older films. Hitchcock movies tend to have less than assertive male protagonists unless they are the bad guy or have some hangup.
The wokeness was always there to some degree, it just doesn't seem so noticeable to us now but what about back then? The 1930 Moby Dick has Ahab, a promiscuous scalawag, steal the girlfriend of his respectable brother-and then, when his brother is shanghaiied by Ahab's men without Ahab knowing, and they get into a fight, Ahab is rescued by Queequeg--his black friend, who breaks the back of his brother. We never find out if he died. What happened to him? Instead Ahab goes home to his new wife and his dog...happy ending.
I think in 1930 that story would have seemed kind of weird from the moral standpoint.
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Post by Jason143 on Mar 14, 2021 20:39:06 GMT
There were no woke movies because being woke implies pushing agendas that only exist today.
Working Girl might be close
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Post by Harmless elf on Mar 14, 2021 20:41:54 GMT
There were no woke movies because being woke implies pushing agendas that only exist today. Working Girl might be close Movies have always pushed agendas though it's like FernGully they were clearly having a save the rain forest, protect the environment agenda. |
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Post by lowtacks86 on Mar 14, 2021 20:43:10 GMT
Night of the Living Dead (first movie to feature a black actor as the main protagonist)
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Post by Harmless elf on Mar 14, 2021 20:46:57 GMT
Night of the Living Dead (first movie to feature a black actor as the main protagonist) And finally, I would say that, you know, we are a little bit out of touch in Hollywood every once in a while, I think. It's probably a good thing. We're the ones who talked about AIDS when it was just being whispered, and we talked about civil rights when it wasn't really popular. And we, you know, we bring up subjects, we are the ones—this Academy, this group of people gave Hattie McDaniel an Oscar in 1939 when blacks were still sitting in the backs of theaters. I'm proud to be a part of this Academy, proud to be part of this community, and proud to be out of touch. And I thank you so much for this. |
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Post by Archelaus on Mar 14, 2021 21:39:13 GMT
Do the Right Thing - I suppose it's "woke" given its authentic depiction of racial relations between Italian-Americans and blacks and the depiction of police brutality near the end has stood the test of time.
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Mar 14, 2021 21:49:12 GMT
Night of the Living Dead (first movie to feature a black actor as the main protagonist) Sidney Poitier did win Best Actor for Lillies in the Field a few years earlier. |
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Post by twothousandonemark on Mar 14, 2021 22:56:57 GMT
A League of Their Own
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Post by Prime etc. on Mar 15, 2021 0:30:45 GMT
Night of the Living Dead ( first movie to feature a black actor as the main protagonist)
Go back to Paul Robeson's time. The Emperor Jones etc.
However I do agree that the casting was done for political messaging reasons.
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Post by mikef6 on Mar 15, 2021 0:42:02 GMT
Conservative political speech has come up with a number of terms to demean, dismiss, or mock artistic attempts at the same diversity in the presentations has is found in society: political correctness and SJW are two examples. "Woke" is just one of the most recent.
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Post by northern on Mar 15, 2021 0:47:23 GMT
Guess Who is Coming to Dinner.
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Post by TutuAnimationPrincess on Mar 15, 2021 0:48:51 GMT
I’d like to participate here, but I don’t know what a “woke” film is. Do they star Matt Hardy, I’ve heard he’s woken.
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Post by leesilm on Mar 15, 2021 0:55:32 GMT
There was a thing I read a while back, discussing how GEORGE OF THE JUNGLE flips the script on a "woman lost in the jungle with Tarzan" movie, and it was well thought out. I'd have to agree with most of their argument.
Lost City of Atlantis, by Disney of all people. First (as far as I can recall) African-American character in the main cast and he's the physician, a Latino teenaged girl who is also main cast, the villain is an older white male and his white female sidekick, the leading man is a geek with intelligence & heart rather than brawn and conventional good looks, the leading lady is an Indigenous Warrior Woman of noble birth who becomes a Queen by the end of the movie (one of the few Disney Princesses to do that on screen. It's like her, Princess Mia Thermopolis, and Elsa?), and the girl doesn't give up everything to be with the guy- he stays behind and she ascends the throne.
I could make an argument for AUSTRALIA
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