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Post by Feologild Oakes on Mar 15, 2021 23:03:13 GMT
To white
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Post by hi224 on Mar 15, 2021 23:08:10 GMT
Ignoring the fact that it's not even a 2020 movie, I personally would put Stanfield lead and Kaluuya supporting, but Kaluuya is close to lead too. I'd probably put both in Lead, but can see your argument (the ol' McAvoy/Whitaker debate). But Stanfield in Supporting...could be the dumbest category fraud I've seen since Ordinary People. This ain't Shortcuts. It's a movie about two guys. At least one of them is the main character. Clearly Jesse Plemons is.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Mar 15, 2021 23:15:41 GMT
I'd probably put both in Lead, but can see your argument (the ol' McAvoy/Whitaker debate). But Stanfield in Supporting...could be the dumbest category fraud I've seen since Ordinary People. This ain't Shortcuts. It's a movie about two guys. At least one of them is the main character. Clearly Jesse Plemons is. Or maybe it was the horse that died to glue all that rubber to Martin Sheen's face. We may never know. |
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Post by jcush on Mar 15, 2021 23:19:06 GMT
Ignoring the fact that it's not even a 2020 movie, I personally would put Stanfield lead and Kaluuya supporting, but Kaluuya is close to lead too. I'd probably put both in Lead, but can see your argument (the ol' McAvoy/Whitaker debate). But Stanfield in Supporting...could be the dumbest category fraud I've seen since Ordinary People. This ain't Shortcuts. It's a movie about two guys. At least one of them is the main character. Yeah, I don't get it. Apparently they wanted to nominate Stanfield, so they put him supporting.
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Post by moviemouth on Mar 15, 2021 23:19:20 GMT
Ignoring the fact that it's not even a 2020 movie, I personally would put Stanfield lead and Kaluuya supporting, but Kaluuya is close to lead too. I'd probably put both in Lead, but can see your argument (the ol' McAvoy/Whitaker debate). But Stanfield in Supporting... could be the dumbest category fraud I've seen since Ordinary People. This ain't Shortcuts. It's a movie about two guys. At least one of them is the main character. Worse than Jamie Fox for Collateral?
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Mar 15, 2021 23:49:49 GMT
Just read through them, not in the least bit interested.
Titles nominated just to keep the ceremony on the radar as per every year. They have gone as woke and as progressive as they could with the diversity of selection, yet care factor for most will be pretty much zilch and that is just fact.
Its not even so much about the cinema experience anymore. Oscars has lost its way. Not that its distorted and biased politics weren't ever apparent.
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Post by hi224 on Mar 15, 2021 23:51:59 GMT
Just read through them, not in the least bit interested. Titles nominated just to keep the ceremony on the radar as per every year. They have gone as woke and as progressive as they could with the diversity of selection, yet care factor for most will be pretty much zilch and that is just fact. Its not even so much about the cinema experience anymore. Oscars has lost its way. Not that its distorted and biased politics weren't ever apparent. sure jan.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Mar 15, 2021 23:56:58 GMT
Just read through them, not in the least bit interested. Titles nominated just to keep the ceremony on the radar as per every year. They have gone as woke and as progressive as they could with the diversity of selection, yet care factor for most will be pretty much zilch and that is just fact. Its not even so much about the cinema experience anymore. Oscars has lost its way. Not that its distorted and biased politics weren't ever apparent. sure jan. Have you lost your way too?
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Post by hi224 on Mar 15, 2021 23:58:49 GMT
Have you lost your way too? eyeroll.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Mar 15, 2021 23:59:14 GMT
I'd probably put both in Lead, but can see your argument (the ol' McAvoy/Whitaker debate). But Stanfield in Supporting... could be the dumbest category fraud I've seen since Ordinary People. This ain't Shortcuts. It's a movie about two guys. At least one of them is the main character. Worse than Jamie Fox for Collateral? That at least follows the age old tradition of having two leads and putting the lesser known (or less showy) one in Supporting. The only sense Stanfield makes is if you consider Kaluuya the Lead but he's also Supporting. So neither Judas nor the Black Messiah are the main character in Judas and the Black Messiah. Apparently it's like an ensemble piece... of two people. |
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Post by hi224 on Mar 15, 2021 23:59:16 GMT
I'd probably put both in Lead, but can see your argument (the ol' McAvoy/Whitaker debate). But Stanfield in Supporting...could be the dumbest category fraud I've seen since Ordinary People. This ain't Shortcuts. It's a movie about two guys. At least one of them is the main character. Yeah, I don't get it. Apparently they wanted to nominate Stanfield, so they put him supporting. probably felt that was his best chance.
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Post by hi224 on Mar 16, 2021 0:22:12 GMT
Worse than Jamie Fox for Collateral? That at least follows the age old tradition of having two leads and putting the lesser known (or less showy) one in Supporting. The only sense Stanfield makes is if you consider Kaluuya the Lead but he's also Supporting. So neither Judas nor the Black Messiah are the main character in Judas and the Black Messiah. Apparently it's like an ensemble piece... of two people. i mean Fishback, Plemons, Sanders, Smith, Sheen, Gibson no?.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Mar 16, 2021 0:31:37 GMT
That at least follows the age old tradition of having two leads and putting the lesser known (or less showy) one in Supporting. The only sense Stanfield makes is if you consider Kaluuya the Lead but he's also Supporting. So neither Judas nor the Black Messiah are the main character in Judas and the Black Messiah. Apparently it's like an ensemble piece... of two people. i mean Fishback, Plemons, Sanders, Smith, Sheen, Gibson no?. None of those guys had the same screentime or relevance as Stanfield and Kaluuya. Compare JatBM to an actual ensemble movie this year: Trial of the Chicago 7, where no one or two guys were really more important than the others. If a series of good actors with small parts make something an ensemble movie, Lead and Supporting lose all meaning. |
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Post by hi224 on Mar 16, 2021 0:34:12 GMT
i mean Fishback, Plemons, Sanders, Smith, Sheen, Gibson no?. None of those guys had the same screentime or relevance as Stanfield and Kaluuya. Compare JatBM to an actual ensemble movie this year: Trial of the Chicago 7, where no one or two guys were really more important than the others. If a series of good actors with small parts make something an ensemble movie, Lead and Supporting lose all meaning. still an ensemble, ma rainey is an ensemble even if Boseman and Davis feel more relevant, Same with One Night.
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Post by Fox in the Snow on Mar 16, 2021 0:38:11 GMT
Borat...seriously.
I've seen very few 2020 films, in fact I think this is somehow the only nominated film I've managed to see. Pretty much the equivalent of a sketch show or episode of Jackass
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Post by Prime etc. on Mar 16, 2021 0:39:36 GMT
An appropriate place for an Orson Welles quote:
“According to a young American film critic, one of the great discoveries of our age is the value of boredom as an artistic subject,”
This is what has happened with Hollywood film and it's virtue signaling.
The more boring the better.
But it's ok because 'diversity.'
The excitement comes from having a Chinese woman as a nominee.
Who cares what the movie is along as you have the hoopla about the diversity of nominees.
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Post by hi224 on Mar 16, 2021 0:39:58 GMT
Borat...seriously. I've seen very few 2020 films, in fact I think this is somehow the only nominated film I've managed to see. Pretty much the equivalent of a sketch show or episode of Jackass its political influence can't be underestimated, especially now. Don't forget the first one got nominated for screenplay.
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Post by Fox in the Snow on Mar 16, 2021 0:44:03 GMT
Borat...seriously. I've seen very few 2020 films, in fact I think this is somehow the only nominated film I've managed to see. Pretty much the equivalent of a sketch show or episode of Jackass its political influence can't be underestimated, especially now. Don't forget the first one got nominated for screenplay. I don't buy into it's politics, but at the risk of sounding like Scorsese. It's not cinema  ...it's a lame prank show.
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Post by hi224 on Mar 16, 2021 0:45:26 GMT
its political influence can't be underestimated, especially now. Don't forget the first one got nominated for screenplay. I don't buy into it's politics, but at the risk of sounding like Scorsese. It's not cinema ...it's a lame prank show. I am just stating, it clearly is having a pretty huge political/social large effect regarding how the whole film attacks and portrays its figures, plus Cohen is working the circuit as well.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Mar 16, 2021 0:47:00 GMT
None of those guys had the same screentime or relevance as Stanfield and Kaluuya. Compare JatBM to an actual ensemble movie this year: Trial of the Chicago 7, where no one or two guys were really more important than the others. If a series of good actors with small parts make something an ensemble movie, Lead and Supporting lose all meaning. still an ensemble, ma rainey is an ensemble even if Boseman and Davis feel more relevant, Same with One Night. The definition of Ensemble: "a group of items viewed as a whole rather than individually." The poster for Judas:  I see two actors' names and faces on here and none of the others you mentioned. You are objectivity wrong. And if we take your logic to it's natural conclusion, every movie is an ensemble unless it only has one actor or everyone else sucks. |
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...it's a lame prank show.