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Post by Skaathar on Mar 16, 2021 2:40:18 GMT
Which do you think will be better received by both critics and audiences?
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Post by hobowar on Mar 16, 2021 3:00:14 GMT
Obviously the Snyder cut.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Mar 16, 2021 15:58:47 GMT
Falcon & Winter Soldier
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 16, 2021 21:43:45 GMT
Obviously the Snyder cut. Yeah, I think no matter what, people will like that better because they'll feel it's better than the theatrical cut. Even if it's actually bad. Better than that makes it good, I guess. And that feeling will stretch to everything else.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 16, 2021 21:49:38 GMT
I think comparing the critical reception of a show against a movie isn’t really apples to apples, but in terms of which one will end up with a higher Rotten Tomatoes score, I can only assume it’ll be F&WS.
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Post by hobowar on Mar 16, 2021 22:14:00 GMT
Obviously the Snyder cut. Yeah, I think no matter what, people will like that better because they'll feel it's better than the theatrical cut. Even if it's actually bad. Better than that makes it good, I guess. And that feeling will stretch to everything else. So good I posted it twice.
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 18, 2021 19:27:14 GMT
Yeah, I think no matter what, people will like that better because they'll feel it's better than the theatrical cut. Even if it's actually bad. Better than that makes it good, I guess. And that feeling will stretch to everything else. So good I posted it twice. Yeah, I been saying most of what he said in that video for a long time. Even the part about Snyder having hindsight and this not really being his "original vision". Which is just a marketing phrase. Film Theory is totally right.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 18, 2021 20:29:25 GMT
So good I posted it twice. Yeah, I been saying most of what he said in that video for a long time. Even the part about Snyder having hindsight and this not really being his "original vision". Which is just a marketing phrase. Film Theory is totally right. I had said before that Snyder would need to be insane to not have watched the Whedon cut if only to see what he can improve on it. And even if he didn't see it, at least he should have seen all the different comments about it so he would know what to address.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 18, 2021 20:49:36 GMT
Yeah, I been saying most of what he said in that video for a long time. Even the part about Snyder having hindsight and this not really being his "original vision". Which is just a marketing phrase. Film Theory is totally right. I had said before that Snyder would need to be insane to not have watched the Whedon cut if only to see what he can improve on it. And even if he didn't see it, at least he should have seen all the different comments about it so he would know what to address. Not much to address. Snyder’s footage was shot first. Sure, he did film additional photography for the Snyder Cut, but that was only for a single scene towards the end that’s supposed to set up a hypothetical future movie.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 18, 2021 22:50:42 GMT
I had said before that Snyder would need to be insane to not have watched the Whedon cut if only to see what he can improve on it. And even if he didn't see it, at least he should have seen all the different comments about it so he would know what to address. Not much to address. Snyder’s footage was shot first. Sure, he did film additional photography for the Snyder Cut, but that was only for a single scene towards the end that’s supposed to set up a hypothetical future movie. There are lots of things you can address post production. VFX shots and enhancements, coloring, pacing issues, etc. He can move the scenes around, he can remove scenes that people didn't like, he can reshoot specific scenes if absolutely necessary, he can add CGI enhancements if necessary, etc.
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 19, 2021 4:03:09 GMT
I had said before that Snyder would need to be insane to not have watched the Whedon cut if only to see what he can improve on it. And even if he didn't see it, at least he should have seen all the different comments about it so he would know what to address. Not much to address. Snyder’s footage was shot first. Sure, he did film additional photography for the Snyder Cut, but that was only for a single scene towards the end that’s supposed to set up a hypothetical future movie. So you saying he spent their money specifically to shoot a scene setting up a movie he knows he's not going to make? That's like buying baby clothes for a drawing I did of an imaginary pregnant woman.
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Post by dazz on Mar 19, 2021 12:20:51 GMT
I had said before that Snyder would need to be insane to not have watched the Whedon cut if only to see what he can improve on it. And even if he didn't see it, at least he should have seen all the different comments about it so he would know what to address. Not much to address. Snyder’s footage was shot first. Sure, he did film additional photography for the Snyder Cut, but that was only for a single scene towards the end that’s supposed to set up a hypothetical future movie. That sounds like bullshit and always has, they gave im $40m I think initially to do the effects for the movie but it ended up with reshoots costing $70m to make his version of the movie, no way they spent $30m extra just to film that one scene, which is just to set up a sequel he has said from the get go there are no plans for. also with so much visual effects heavy scenes all he needs is some line readings to completely rework the cgi characters, like I do not remember hearing back in 2017 about people who had scene the original unfinished Snyder cut saying just how much Darkseid was in the movie, he was in it but not supposedly to the degree we get him in now. And as said already he can cut scenes he knows does not work and use an alternate version of them, for all we know some scenes in the Joss Whedon version were Snyder scenes, but Snyder now in hindsight can cut them, and people will just assume they are Whedon scenes. Snyder is in an almost no lose situation, benefit of hindsight, a rabid fanbase, the ultimate sympathy play, and Fisher has spent the last year making Whedon out to be the devil which just sours opinions on him and his movie even more, like seriously Snyder could not fail so long as he wasn't caught kicking puppies or pissing on a child head from a balcony 10 floors up, and the movie wasn't just 4 hours of him farting on a snare drum whilst wanking himself off.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 19, 2021 12:37:17 GMT
Not much to address. Snyder’s footage was shot first. Sure, he did film additional photography for the Snyder Cut, but that was only for a single scene towards the end that’s supposed to set up a hypothetical future movie. That sounds like bullshit and always has, they gave im $40m I think initially to do the effects for the movie but it ended up with reshoots costing $70m to make his version of the movie, no way they spent $30m extra just to film that one scene, which is just to set up a sequel he has said from the get go there are no plans for. also with so much visual effects heavy scenes all he needs is some line readings to completely rework the cgi characters, like I do not remember hearing back in 2017 about people who had scene the original unfinished Snyder cut saying just how much Darkseid was in the movie, he was in it but not supposedly to the degree we get him in now. And as said already he can cut scenes he knows does not work and use an alternate version of them, for all we know some scenes in the Joss Whedon version were Snyder scenes, but Snyder now in hindsight can cut them, and people will just assume they are Whedon scenes. Snyder is in an almost no lose situation, benefit of hindsight, a rabid fanbase, the ultimate sympathy play, and Fisher has spent the last year making Whedon out to be the devil which just sours opinions on him and his movie even more, like seriously Snyder could not fail so long as he wasn't caught kicking puppies or pissing on a child head from a balcony 10 floors up, and the movie wasn't just 4 hours of him farting on a snare drum whilst wanking himself off. Why is it bullshit? Reshoots reportedly only lasted about a week or so.
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Post by dazz on Mar 19, 2021 13:58:43 GMT
That sounds like bullshit and always has, they gave im $40m I think initially to do the effects for the movie but it ended up with reshoots costing $70m to make his version of the movie, no way they spent $30m extra just to film that one scene, which is just to set up a sequel he has said from the get go there are no plans for. also with so much visual effects heavy scenes all he needs is some line readings to completely rework the cgi characters, like I do not remember hearing back in 2017 about people who had scene the original unfinished Snyder cut saying just how much Darkseid was in the movie, he was in it but not supposedly to the degree we get him in now. And as said already he can cut scenes he knows does not work and use an alternate version of them, for all we know some scenes in the Joss Whedon version were Snyder scenes, but Snyder now in hindsight can cut them, and people will just assume they are Whedon scenes. Snyder is in an almost no lose situation, benefit of hindsight, a rabid fanbase, the ultimate sympathy play, and Fisher has spent the last year making Whedon out to be the devil which just sours opinions on him and his movie even more, like seriously Snyder could not fail so long as he wasn't caught kicking puppies or pissing on a child head from a balcony 10 floors up, and the movie wasn't just 4 hours of him farting on a snare drum whilst wanking himself off. Why is it bullshit? Reshoots reportedly only lasted about a week or so. Because it's budget jumped from $40m up to $70m, and it's a very specific claim, they did not reshoot more than one scene, but with so much special effects they can redo so many scenes with just voice over work, though it technically isn't a reshoot, the claim makes it sound as if this is Snyders original vision, which sounds like utter bullshit, Snyder has had 3 years of added life experience including a massive tragedy, he's got the benefit of hindsight, the world itself changed dramatically and what Snyder's vision never changed? despite the idea for the movie itself changing repeatedly in the last year? Nah to me sounds like spin to try and act like this is the movie we would have got 3 years ago, which just doesn't ring true, especially as a what was a mostly confirmed version of his cut people saw 3 years ago is not like the version we got, Snyder obviously altered some things as you would expect, except he's trying to claim this is his original vision, which like I said I do not buy as a true statement. Edit: Actually it was estimated to cost $20-30m but likely to cost more, but around the time of the reshoots the budget had ballooned to up to $70m, which doesn't that seem like a little too much of a coincidence? then reshoots began supposedly Oct 6th with Heard, Leto and Mangenello joining the reshoots just over 2 weeks later, and Snyder said reshoots only make up 4-5 minutes of new footage, yet the nightmare scene, the supposed only new scene is more like 7 minutes long, and I dunno the Martian Manhunter scene after the nightmare scene does Affleck look smaller in this than he is in the rest of the movie? he looks more in the face as he looks under the cowl for that nightmare scene also, just saying it sounds like spin on Snyder's part is all, and if he's fibbing about that what else could he be fibbing about as well as other people? After all every lied about the Whedon debacle until the Snyder Cut was green lit, so not like we can really trust anyone to be truly honest with this property.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 19, 2021 15:39:24 GMT
Yeah, you don't spend $70 million just for one scene.
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 19, 2021 15:59:41 GMT
Why is it bullshit? Reshoots reportedly only lasted about a week or so. Because it's budget jumped from $40m up to $70m, and it's a very specific claim, they did not reshoot more than one scene, but with so much special effects they can redo so many scenes with just voice over work, though it technically isn't a reshoot, the claim makes it sound as if this is Snyders original vision, which sounds like utter bullshit, Snyder has had 3 years of added life experience including a massive tragedy, he's got the benefit of hindsight, the world itself changed dramatically and what Snyder's vision never changed? despite the idea for the movie itself changing repeatedly in the last year? Nah to me sounds like spin to try and act like this is the movie we would have got 3 years ago, which just doesn't ring true, especially as a what was a mostly confirmed version of his cut people saw 3 years ago is not like the version we got, Snyder obviously altered some things as you would expect, except he's trying to claim this is his original vision, which like I said I do not buy as a true statement. Edit: Actually it was estimated to cost $20-30m but likely to cost more, but around the time of the reshoots the budget had ballooned to up to $70m, which doesn't that seem like a little too much of a coincidence? then reshoots began supposedly Oct 6th with Heard, Leto and Mangenello joining the reshoots just over 2 weeks later, and Snyder said reshoots only make up 4-5 minutes of new footage, yet the nightmare scene, the supposed only new scene is more like 7 minutes long, and I dunno the Martian Manhunter scene after the nightmare scene does Affleck look smaller in this than he is in the rest of the movie? he looks more in the face as he looks under the cowl for that nightmare scene also, just saying it sounds like spin on Snyder's part is all, and if he's fibbing about that what else could he be fibbing about as well as other people? After all every lied about the Whedon debacle until the Snyder Cut was green lit, so not like we can really trust anyone to be truly honest with this property. It’s all advertising.
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 19, 2021 16:14:47 GMT
Not much to address. Snyder’s footage was shot first. Sure, he did film additional photography for the Snyder Cut, but that was only for a single scene towards the end that’s supposed to set up a hypothetical future movie. That sounds like bullshit and always has, they gave im $40m I think initially to do the effects for the movie but it ended up with reshoots costing $70m to make his version of the movie, no way they spent $30m extra just to film that one scene, which is just to set up a sequel he has said from the get go there are no plans for. also with so much visual effects heavy scenes all he needs is some line readings to completely rework the cgi characters, like I do not remember hearing back in 2017 about people who had scene the original unfinished Snyder cut saying just how much Darkseid was in the movie, he was in it but not supposedly to the degree we get him in now. And as said already he can cut scenes he knows does not work and use an alternate version of them, for all we know some scenes in the Joss Whedon version were Snyder scenes, but Snyder now in hindsight can cut them, and people will just assume they are Whedon scenes. Snyder is in an almost no lose situation, benefit of hindsight, a rabid fanbase, the ultimate sympathy play, and Fisher has spent the last year making Whedon out to be the devil which just sours opinions on him and his movie even more, like seriously Snyder could not fail so long as he wasn't caught kicking puppies or pissing on a child head from a balcony 10 floors up, and the movie wasn't just 4 hours of him farting on a snare drum whilst wanking himself off. Not just making Whedon look like the devil, but also WB. There’s this screw WB campaign that started. With the sequel bait ending and dropping a “guess what we could do next if they let us” bit of info, the Snyder’s could bully WB with a fan movement like “#releasethesnydercut”. This could be very bad for WB.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 19, 2021 16:32:57 GMT
Why is it bullshit? Reshoots reportedly only lasted about a week or so. Because it's budget jumped from $40m up to $70m, and it's a very specific claim, they did not reshoot more than one scene, but with so much special effects they can redo so many scenes with just voice over work, though it technically isn't a reshoot, the claim makes it sound as if this is Snyders original vision, which sounds like utter bullshit, Snyder has had 3 years of added life experience including a massive tragedy, he's got the benefit of hindsight, the world itself changed dramatically and what Snyder's vision never changed? despite the idea for the movie itself changing repeatedly in the last year? Nah to me sounds like spin to try and act like this is the movie we would have got 3 years ago, which just doesn't ring true, especially as a what was a mostly confirmed version of his cut people saw 3 years ago is not like the version we got, Snyder obviously altered some things as you would expect, except he's trying to claim this is his original vision, which like I said I do not buy as a true statement. Edit: Actually it was estimated to cost $20-30m but likely to cost more, but around the time of the reshoots the budget had ballooned to up to $70m, which doesn't that seem like a little too much of a coincidence? then reshoots began supposedly Oct 6th with Heard, Leto and Mangenello joining the reshoots just over 2 weeks later, and Snyder said reshoots only make up 4-5 minutes of new footage, yet the nightmare scene, the supposed only new scene is more like 7 minutes long, and I dunno the Martian Manhunter scene after the nightmare scene does Affleck look smaller in this than he is in the rest of the movie? he looks more in the face as he looks under the cowl for that nightmare scene also, just saying it sounds like spin on Snyder's part is all, and if he's fibbing about that what else could he be fibbing about as well as other people? After all every lied about the Whedon debacle until the Snyder Cut was green lit, so not like we can really trust anyone to be truly honest with this property. The Martian Manhunter scene is a reshoot. I considered it to be part of the same scene as the Knightmare sequence. Everything else was shot back in 2016.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 19, 2021 16:37:01 GMT
Yeah, you don't spend $70 million just for one scene. They didn’t spend it all on the additional photography. They also had to finish the VFX and pay Junkie XL to finish the score.
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Post by dazz on Mar 19, 2021 16:53:13 GMT
That sounds like bullshit and always has, they gave im $40m I think initially to do the effects for the movie but it ended up with reshoots costing $70m to make his version of the movie, no way they spent $30m extra just to film that one scene, which is just to set up a sequel he has said from the get go there are no plans for. also with so much visual effects heavy scenes all he needs is some line readings to completely rework the cgi characters, like I do not remember hearing back in 2017 about people who had scene the original unfinished Snyder cut saying just how much Darkseid was in the movie, he was in it but not supposedly to the degree we get him in now. And as said already he can cut scenes he knows does not work and use an alternate version of them, for all we know some scenes in the Joss Whedon version were Snyder scenes, but Snyder now in hindsight can cut them, and people will just assume they are Whedon scenes. Snyder is in an almost no lose situation, benefit of hindsight, a rabid fanbase, the ultimate sympathy play, and Fisher has spent the last year making Whedon out to be the devil which just sours opinions on him and his movie even more, like seriously Snyder could not fail so long as he wasn't caught kicking puppies or pissing on a child head from a balcony 10 floors up, and the movie wasn't just 4 hours of him farting on a snare drum whilst wanking himself off. Not just making Whedon look like the devil, but also WB. There’s this screw WB campaign that started. With the sequel bait ending and dropping a “guess what we could do next if they let us” bit of info, the Snyder’s could bully WB with a fan movement like “#releasethesnydercut”. This could be very bad for WB. They can just say screw off, Snyders MOS and BVS, though I like MOS flopped and flopped bad, even with TV and home media sales between the two movies and the near $1b in capitol WB sunk into the pair of them they only made $150m or so in profit, and thats after both failing to turn a profit at the theatres, they own the numbers for HBO Max they can spin this shit anyway they want. But I would not mind a continuation of the Snyderverse, just theatrical movies are not the way to go, he should do straight to streaming where he can have the time to draw the story out as he wants, because this cut even though it's better due to the length would not have been that great a success, and we have to keep in mind it's still the pandemic and loads of us are still jonesing for new content like junkies looking for some smack.
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