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Post by kolchak92 on Mar 18, 2021 16:45:44 GMT
it's being made out to be these days. It wasn't exactly good, but you have it being described now as if it was another Battlefield Earth or something, which really wasn't the case.
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Post by onethreetwo on Mar 18, 2021 16:52:59 GMT
True. I saw it in the theater and had a lot of fun. What I liked most about it was how short it was. You're in, you're out, you saw some shit. It wasn't long enough to hate.
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Post by Prime etc. on Mar 18, 2021 16:56:08 GMT
It's a sign of incompetence that they make decisions and then backtrack on them
so they can pull a stunt like releasing a second version.
Do it right the first time--but that's asking too much of the corporate world.
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Post by politicidal on Mar 18, 2021 17:17:32 GMT
I didn't hate it at first, but now I think it's just very bland and inoffensive. Which this being the first theatrical Justice League film, it shouldn't be like that.
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Post by Winter_King on Mar 18, 2021 17:24:16 GMT
It's pretty much a letdown when you turn the most famouse superhero teamp up into a generic superhero film IMO.
Plus some of the re-shoots don't even make sense. For example what Flash does during the final battle in Zack Snyder version is much better than what he did in the Joss Wheadon version where he was running around pushing a van. I don't even understand how someone look at the two versions and decided that Joss's version was better.
Also the infamous lip in Henry Cavill moustache brought on by the re shoots doesn't seem to make much sense. They could've worked with what Zack Snyder had shot originally.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 18, 2021 18:25:26 GMT
It’s just a really bland cookie cutter movie. There’s nothing that stands out about it. I wouldn’t call it boring, since it’s fairly short, but it’s painfully forgettable. Also, it’s pretty ugly to look at.
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Post by Downey on Mar 18, 2021 18:49:12 GMT
It's pretty much a letdown when you turn the most famouse superhero teamp up into a generic superhero film IMO. Plus some of the re-shoots don't even make sense. For example what Flash does during the final battle in Zack Snyder version is much better than what he did in the Joss Wheadon version where he was running around pushing a van. I don't even understand how someone look at the two versions and decided that Joss's version was better. Also the infamous lip in Henry Cavill moustache brought on by the re shoots doesn't seem to make much sense. They could've worked with what Zack Snyder had shot originally. The fact is Joss stepped in at a time when Zack was being an idiot it's okay to blame Joss for JL but remember who put him there in the first place. |
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Post by moviemouth on Mar 18, 2021 18:53:49 GMT
I don't think it has been described as the new Battlefield Earth by most people, though I realize you are being hyperbolic. A bit too hyperbolic if you ask me.
It was a below average movie when it was released and it is a below average movie still. The movie is a boring mess.
I can understand if some people think it is a fun movie, but I don't at all. BvS is a mess too, but that movie is at least entertaining and has stand-out action scenes and cool character introductions and say what you will about Jesse Eisenberg, he is still more interesting than the big dumb cgi Steppenwolf.
4.5/10
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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 18, 2021 18:54:28 GMT
It's pretty much a letdown when you turn the most famouse superhero teamp up into a generic superhero film IMO. Plus some of the re-shoots don't even make sense. For example what Flash does during the final battle in Zack Snyder version is much better than what he did in the Joss Wheadon version where he was running around pushing a van. I don't even understand how someone look at the two versions and decided that Joss's version was better. Also the infamous lip in Henry Cavill moustache brought on by the re shoots doesn't seem to make much sense. They could've worked with what Zack Snyder had shot originally. The fact is Joss stepped in at a time when Zack was being an idiot it's okay to blame Joss for JL but remember who put him there in the first place. Geoff Johns and WB executives were the ones who put Whedon there. Snyder had no say in it.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Mar 18, 2021 18:58:22 GMT
I agree, i mean its not a great movie. But its not as bad as many people say it is.
I would say its an ok movie.
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Post by Downey on Mar 18, 2021 19:05:54 GMT
I don't think it has been described as the new Battlefield Earth by most people. It was a below average movie when it was released and it is a below average movie still. The movie is a boring mess. I can understand if some people think it is a fun movie, but I don't at all. BvS is a mess too, but that movie is at least entertaining and has stand-out action scenes and cool character introductions and say what you will about Jesse Eisenberg, he is still more interesting than the big dumb cgi Steppenwolf. Justice League is one of the most bland and boring superhero movies I have seen. Oh hell no a CGI turd is better than Jesse Eisenberg. Get it right. |
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Post by Downey on Mar 18, 2021 19:07:57 GMT
The fact is Joss stepped in at a time when Zack was being an idiot it's okay to blame Joss for JL but remember who put him there in the first place. Geoff Johns and WB executives were the ones who put Whedon there. Snyder had no say in it. Snyder took leave because a relative killed herself then the executives put him there which I already know they did. Joss didn't all of a sudden magic himself onto the set of a JL movie by himself. |
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Post by kolchak92 on Mar 18, 2021 19:28:01 GMT
I don't think it has been described as the new Battlefield Earth by most people, though I realize you are being hyperbolic. A bit too hyperbolic if you ask me. It was a below average movie when it was released and it is a below average movie still. The movie is a boring mess. I can understand if some people think it is a fun movie, but I don't at all. BvS is a mess too, but that movie is at least entertaining and has stand-out action scenes and cool character introductions and say what you will about Jesse Eisenberg, he is still more interesting than the big dumb cgi Steppenwolf. 4.5/10 Well I mean like read this review of the new cut, they make the original out to be like an Ed Wood movie or something.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Mar 18, 2021 19:39:30 GMT
it's being made out to be these days. It wasn't exactly good, but you have it being described now as if it was another Battlefield Earth or something, which really wasn't the case. Part of it is that battle between things being either the BEST or the worst. Nothing can be somewhere in the middle anymore. When I saw it I thought the same as you. Not the best movie but has some good moments. I enjoyed it. But Marvel vs. DC must always have its way. Now Battlefield Earth that really WAS the worst! LOL
And its too bad too because that's a classic sci-fi novel.
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Post by moviemouth on Mar 18, 2021 20:04:10 GMT
I don't think it has been described as the new Battlefield Earth by most people, though I realize you are being hyperbolic. A bit too hyperbolic if you ask me. Well I mean like read this review of the new cut, they make the original out to be like an Ed Wood movie or something. Also, how do you know that the specific reviewer didn't hate the 2017 version to begin with? I read about half of that long review and I nowhere does it read like Ed Wood in the parts I read. It reads the way I saw the movie, as a lazy mess with a personality disorder. The one thing I notice in the review is that it is overly critical about the way Cyborg is presented in the original version, watching the new version where he is given a whole arc and then backtracking and being harder on the original for that reason. With that being said, the complaints that the one black character is worst written character in the movie were already pointed out by critics in 2017. Thing is, all the character writing in the 2017 version is bad, with the possible exception of Bruce Wayne.
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Post by moviemouth on Mar 18, 2021 20:18:13 GMT
it's being made out to be these days. It wasn't exactly good, but you have it being described now as if it was another Battlefield Earth or something, which really wasn't the case. Part of it is that battle between things being either the BEST or the worst. Nothing can be somewhere in the middle anymore. When I saw it I thought the same as you. Not the best movie but has some good moments. I enjoyed it. But Marvel vs. DC must always have its way. Now Battlefield Earth that really WAS the worst! LOL
And its too bad too because that's a classic sci-fi novel. I must really not be paying attention, because all of this "something is either good or complete crap" I have not seen any more now than in the past by people. Are these just Twitter types or something? Most RT critics and IMDB2 people don't tend to judge movies in that simplistic way. I dislike Justice League more than many people, but it isn't awful. That doesn't mean it isn't bad though. It is still a below average movie imo. It is technically superior to something like Batman & Robin, but B&R is definitely more fun...even if ironically. The worst offense a movie can make is to be boring and in that regard Justice League achieves being worse than Battlefield Earth. This is objectivity vs. subjectivity. Justice League is objectively a better movie than Battlefield Earth, but subjectively less entertaining.
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Post by jamesbamesy on Mar 18, 2021 20:28:02 GMT
It's fine. When I first saw it I appreciated it at least tried to emulate the comics and earlier days of superhero movies in its campy tone, which was conventional for Marvel, but maybe that safeness is what made it pretty bland and tonally-jarring for a lot. I'll even admit, I wasn't bothered by the crappy CG lip on Cavill the first time around. Still, if I had to choose which movie I'd watch again between this and Batman v Superman, it'd be Josstice League. It doesn't try to self-indulge itself too much and I liked the banter at times.
I still like both films to an extent, but they definitely have their flaws. Need to see the Zack Snyder cut to see where it lands.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 20:31:48 GMT
My son likes it. It’s good for a family movie.
My biggest gripe is the inconsistent CGi and Henry’s mustache...
It just feels the stakes are low. There’s no weight. And there is a lack of global threat feeling. It feels like it’s a very isolated and closed event. It’s hard to explain.
There’s no tension or stress.
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Post by moviemouth on Mar 18, 2021 20:34:48 GMT
It's fine. When I first saw it I appreciated it at least tried to emulate the comics and earlier days of superhero movies in its campy tone, which was conventional for Marvel, but maybe that safeness is what made it pretty bland and tonally-jarring for a lot. I'll even admit, I wasn't bothered by the crappy CG lip on Cavill the first time around. Still, if I had to choose which movie I'd watch again between this and Batman v Superman, it'd be Josstice League. It doesn't try to self-indulge itself too much and I liked the banter at times. I still like both films to an extent, but they definitely have their flaws. No. Just no. The campiness is not why people dislike Justice League. If that were the case then Aquaman in all it's campy glory should be disliked as much as Justice League and it isn't. Every single aspect of the movie is generic fluff. I will defend WW1984 all day over this movie. That movie understands camp and emotion and character banter, Justice League doesn't. The latter does echo the Richard Donner Superman movies, Justice League is in some kind of ugly limbo.
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Post by jamesbamesy on Mar 18, 2021 20:41:21 GMT
It's fine. When I first saw it I appreciated it at least tried to emulate the comics and earlier days of superhero movies in its campy tone, which was conventional for Marvel, but maybe that safeness is what made it pretty bland and tonally-jarring for a lot. I'll even admit, I wasn't bothered by the crappy CG lip on Cavill the first time around. Still, if I had to choose which movie I'd watch again between this and Batman v Superman, it'd be Josstice League. It doesn't try to self-indulge itself too much and I liked the banter at times. I still like both films to an extent, but they definitely have their flaws. No. Just no. The campiness is not why people dislike Justice League. If that were the case then Aquaman in all it's campy glory should be disliked as much as Justice League and it isn't. Well if you're bringing in characters that were established as fallen heroes in a film with a very somber tone, you need some of that grim from at least one of them (Batman) to come back. Aquaman was campy as hell, yes, but it worked in the context of his movie.
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