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Post by moviebuffbrad on Mar 18, 2021 19:48:16 GMT
Chapter 1:
-hmm, ya know, I would have bet my life that the original credit sequence set to the Cohen cover was Snyder's. I'm still not entirely sure it wasn't.
-nevertheless, this alternate intro does a much better job of getting the point across that Superman's death has lead to the invasion rather than that exposition dump with the cheesy cat burglar and his cartoon sack of jewels
-"Don't Count On It, Batman" - these title cards. Lol
-wasn't Bruce and Arthur just openly talking about Bruce being Batman one of the more mocked aspects of the Whedon cut?
-random choir scene is random. And this sweater sniffing lady is a real coomer
-"We're a group of reactionary terrorists..." - I know he's got the lasso on him, but I don't think reactionary terrorists consider themselves reactionary terrorists. Amazing line nonetheless, lmao
-wasn't this building originally supposed to blow in the Snyder version?
-this scene with the terrorist shooting at the kids is legitimately suspenseful. In the world of Snyder, children NOT being riddled with bullets is the subversion.
-ok, Steppenwolf looks pretty badass in this version
-I'm remembering the minor controversy about how sexed up the Amazonians are in Snyder's Themyscira vs Patty's...no comment
-cool, if sometimes incoherent battle. Themyscira has more dead horses than a Peter Jackson set
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Post by hobowar on Mar 18, 2021 19:59:06 GMT
Jokers dialogue is hilariously horrible. 🤮
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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 18, 2021 20:07:37 GMT
Whedon mentioned in a tweet from 2017 that the Cohen cover was his inclusion. Knowing Whedon, it wouldn’t surprise me if he did that partially to mock Snyder.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Mar 18, 2021 20:19:43 GMT
Chapter 2:
-Steppenwolf loves his superhero landings
-if I were in a theater and couldn't pause between chapters, I'd probably be getting anxious around this fire signal scene
-scratch that, *Snyder* loves his superhero landings.
-watching Darkseid fight here, I'm kinda left wondering why Snyder even bothered with Steppenwolf (who still isn't really doing it for me writing-wise). Presumably it was to save Darkseid for the next one and build him up, but if we're gonna see Darkseid battle anyway, just cut out the middle man and make a Darkseid movie. No one ever cared about Steppenwolf.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Mar 18, 2021 20:21:46 GMT
Whedon mentioned in a tweet from 2017 that the Cohen cover was his inclusion. Knowing Whedon, it wouldn’t surprise me if he did that partially to mock Snyder. With the slow-mo and everything, it had to be. It's the Snyderiest scene Snyder never directed.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 18, 2021 20:45:20 GMT
Chapter 2: -Steppenwolf loves his superhero landings -if I were in a theater and couldn't pause between chapters, I'd probably be getting anxious around this fire signal scene -scratch that, *Snyder* loves his superhero landings. -watching Darkseid fight here, I'm kinda left wondering why Snyder even bothered with Steppenwolf (who still isn't really doing it for me writing-wise). Presumably it was to save Darkseid for the next one and build him up, but if we're gonna see Darkseid battle anyway, just cut out the middle man and make a Darkseid movie. No one ever cared about Steppenwolf. I don’t like the idea of Darkseid being a starter villain for the Justice League. Sure, that’s what the New 52 did, but the New 52 did a lot of dumb things. Still, I would’ve preferred if they went with Kalibak or the Female Furies. Steppenwolf has always been one of the more boring New Gods.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Mar 18, 2021 21:40:09 GMT
Part 3:
-does a football scene really need to be shot like a 300 battle?
-people call this humorless, but Barry in the dogpin was a genuine lol moment
-nice of Diana to explain to the World's Greatest Detective what a cyborg is
-I remember the "second favorite chair" line in the trailer and hating it. I think Whedon cut it out, so...point Whedon
-no brunch line. Point Snyder
-some CG looks unfinished or weird. The shot of Bruce's Mercedes entering the freeway (which shouldn't even be CG) is probably the wonkiest yet
-was Meera sucking out Steppenwolf's blood through his eyeballs? Damn. More like Deppenwolf.
-that ridiculous Diana ass shot is noticeably absent. Whedon or hindsight?
-the two characters benefitting most so far from this cut are Flash and obviously Cyborg. Least is Superman, who I've forgot existed
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Mar 18, 2021 21:46:02 GMT
Chapter 2: -Steppenwolf loves his superhero landings -if I were in a theater and couldn't pause between chapters, I'd probably be getting anxious around this fire signal scene -scratch that, *Snyder* loves his superhero landings. -watching Darkseid fight here, I'm kinda left wondering why Snyder even bothered with Steppenwolf (who still isn't really doing it for me writing-wise). Presumably it was to save Darkseid for the next one and build him up, but if we're gonna see Darkseid battle anyway, just cut out the middle man and make a Darkseid movie. No one ever cared about Steppenwolf. I don’t like the idea of Darkseid being a starter villain for the Justice League. Sure, that’s what the New 52 did, but the New 52 did a lot of dumb things. Still, I would’ve preferred if they went with Kalibak or the Female Furies. Steppenwolf has always been one of the more boring New Gods. Justice League: War started with Darkseid as well, which I thought was fine. But I mean in the context of this movie, they're really blowing their wad with Darkseid anyway. If this had come out in 2017, I wouldn't be that hyped for a guy I've already seen have his ass handed to him before the JLA even formed.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Mar 18, 2021 22:28:57 GMT
Part 4:
-I'm not really missing Elfman's score, though I'm also not feeling this Gladiator "wahhhahahahaha" theme for Wonder Woman
-Flash dodging the parademon shots was a fun moment
-hey, Batman is ACTUALLY doing something in this fight!
-damn son, Flash is awesome in this version (re: the debris scene)
-did...did Diane Lane have an accent in the others?
-ohhhhh...that explains her accent I guess
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Post by sostie on Mar 18, 2021 22:54:15 GMT
-that ridiculous Diana ass shot is noticeably absent. Whedon or hindsight? It's well known Snyder cut everything Whedon added, but how much of his own original footage did he cut? There was always talk about this is Snyder's original vision, what he wanted to make the screen (which is bull because a 4 hour version was never going to be released). This is a cut made in hindsight, after the criticism of the original release, under the guise of his "original vision". I thought she was pulling the water from his body! No matter how much or little screentime he gets, he's still Cybore to me.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 18, 2021 23:12:19 GMT
Didn’t Ben Affleck have pudgy cheeks and the fake hair piece during the Gal Gadot butt shot in the theatrical version? I think that would suggest it was a Whedon shot.
He said the assembly cut of the movie was nearly five hours long, and the reshoots he did for this movie supposedly amount to around four or five minutes of additional photography, so that would suggest that about an hour of the footage Snyder shot in total was left out.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Mar 18, 2021 23:14:02 GMT
-that ridiculous Diana ass shot is noticeably absent. Whedon or hindsight? It's well known Snyder cut everything Whedon added, but how much of his own original footage did he cut? There was always talk about this is Snyder's original vision, what he wanted to make the screen (which is bull because a 4 hour version was never going to be released). This is a cut made in hindsight, after the criticism of the original release, under the guise of his "original vision". Are they sticking by that? Affleck was looking a little bloated in the "You're out of your mind, Bruce Wayne" scene with Arthur, which I always figured was an indicator of a Whedon reshoot. But whoever shot the scene of Bruce and Barry meeting Diana was definitely responsible for the ass shot. They didn't go back just to get a booty angle.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 18, 2021 23:16:26 GMT
It's well known Snyder cut everything Whedon added, but how much of his own original footage did he cut? There was always talk about this is Snyder's original vision, what he wanted to make the screen (which is bull because a 4 hour version was never going to be released). This is a cut made in hindsight, after the criticism of the original release, under the guise of his "original vision". Are they sticking by that? Affleck was looking a little bloated in the "You're out of your mind, Bruce Wayne" scene with Arthur, which I always figured was an indicator of a Whedon reshoot. But whoever shot the scene of Bruce and Barry meeting Diana was definitely responsible for the ass shot. They didn't go back just to get a booty angle. I forget. Did Ezra Miller have that weird haircut in that moment in the theatrical version? It’s been a while since I’ve seen that version. You could tell the brunch thing was a reshoot, because Barry’s hair inexplicably changes at that moment, and he’s standing in front of an obvious green screen.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Mar 18, 2021 23:23:30 GMT
Part 5:
-the resurrection scenes are practically identical but have completely different tones. It was my favorite scene in Whedon's version, and all things considered, I think I might still prefer the quippy "fun" version. I don't know how Batman still has arms.
-at least SOMEBODY remembered to look after the mother box, if not one of the characters with superpowers
-poor Cyborg
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Mar 18, 2021 23:30:00 GMT
Are they sticking by that? Affleck was looking a little bloated in the "You're out of your mind, Bruce Wayne" scene with Arthur, which I always figured was an indicator of a Whedon reshoot. But whoever shot the scene of Bruce and Barry meeting Diana was definitely responsible for the ass shot. They didn't go back just to get a booty angle. I forget. Did Ezra Miller have that weird haircut in that moment in the theatrical version? It’s been a while since I’ve seen that version. You could tell the brunch thing was a reshoot, because Barry’s hair inexplicably changes at that moment, and he’s standing in front of an obvious green screen. I never noticed the hair before you mentioned it. Kinda got a Dumb and Dumber thing going. Looks like un-bloated Affleck and normal hair Ezra.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Mar 19, 2021 0:25:22 GMT
Part 6:
-black suit Superman. woohoo or something.
-"With the power of love." - kind of weird they felt the need to bring in a guy best known for quips to doctor the film while also excising some of the more decent ones.
-watching this scene of Batman penetrating the shield, I am reminded that wasn't there supposed to be a subplot with Bruce having a death wish/guilt complex over BvS? It's not really present.
-you know what this climax needs? a Russian family with Raid
-yeah, Flash is a hundred times better in this version.
-somehow I'm actually excited to see Granny Goodness in live action
-the most exciting thing about Steppenwolf is that he can die four different ways at once.
-man, Snyder crafts some exhausting climaxes. In this case it's fairly warranted, though.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Mar 19, 2021 1:25:46 GMT
Part 7:
-30 minute epilogue? getting into Return of the King territory there
-so they reshot the Luther escape just to alter what movie it was setting up?
-Joker offering Batman a reach-around? what the fuck am I watching
-does Batman genuinely intend to slowly murder Joker or is he bluffing? with Snyder, you never know
-oh man, this really is RotK. Stop ending and end!
-I wonder if this Martian Manhunter scene is a reshoot or not, because it's kind of sudden and lame. It'd be more effective to reveal himself to Clark (more on him and the lack thereof in a minute) or in the final battle, or even a sequel if Snyder ever got to make it
-oh fuck off with Hallelujah already, Zack
-this epilogue really tested the good will the first 6 parts earned, but overall I liked this version and it's an improvement over the Theatrical Cut in nearly every way except one: Superman. While Whedon makes his presence felt throughout, even despite spending the first half dead, he seems almost forgotten about in Snyder's until they decide to resurrect him and then afterword he barely leaves an impression except when continuing to be violent and destructive. It's clear Snyder is indifferent to the character at best, hates him at worst. All of the other characters are better, with the MVP being Flash for me. I'm leaning on a 7 out of 10, but the epilogue nearly knocks it to a 6.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Mar 19, 2021 1:30:39 GMT
I’ll start watching it after midnight. Tomorrow is my 3rd shift day at work, so I need to stay up until about 4am anyway. Do I need to watch Dawn of Justice first? It’s on TNT right now. Have you not seen it before? I think this one pretty much catches you up on what you missed. It basically starts with that film's ending.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Mar 19, 2021 2:07:33 GMT
Part 7: -30 minute epilogue? getting into Return of the King territory there -so they reshot the Luther escape just to alter what movie it was setting up? -Joker offering Batman a reach-around? what the fuck am I watching -does Batman genuinely intend to slowly murder Joker or is he bluffing? with Snyder, you never know -oh man, this really is RotK. Stop ending and end! -I wonder if this Martian Manhunter scene is a reshoot or not, because it's kind of sudden and lame. It'd be more effective to reveal himself to Clark (more on him and the lack thereof in a minute) or in the final battle, or even a sequel if Snyder ever got to make it -oh fuck off with Hallelujah already, Zack -this epilogue really tested the good will the first 6 parts earned, but overall I liked this version and it's an improvement over the Theatrical Cut in nearly every way except one: Superman. While Whedon makes his presence felt throughout, even despite spending the first half dead, he seems almost forgotten about in Snyder's until they decide to resurrect him and then afterword he barely leaves an impression except when continuing to be violent and destructive. It's clear Snyder is indifferent to the character at best, hates him at worst. All of the other characters are better, with the MVP being Flash for me. I'm leaning on a 7 out of 10, but the epilogue nearly knocks it to a 6. What did you rate the theatrical cut?
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Mar 19, 2021 2:19:19 GMT
Part 7: -30 minute epilogue? getting into Return of the King territory there -so they reshot the Luther escape just to alter what movie it was setting up? -Joker offering Batman a reach-around? what the fuck am I watching -does Batman genuinely intend to slowly murder Joker or is he bluffing? with Snyder, you never know -oh man, this really is RotK. Stop ending and end! -I wonder if this Martian Manhunter scene is a reshoot or not, because it's kind of sudden and lame. It'd be more effective to reveal himself to Clark (more on him and the lack thereof in a minute) or in the final battle, or even a sequel if Snyder ever got to make it -oh fuck off with Hallelujah already, Zack -this epilogue really tested the good will the first 6 parts earned, but overall I liked this version and it's an improvement over the Theatrical Cut in nearly every way except one: Superman. While Whedon makes his presence felt throughout, even despite spending the first half dead, he seems almost forgotten about in Snyder's until they decide to resurrect him and then afterword he barely leaves an impression except when continuing to be violent and destructive. It's clear Snyder is indifferent to the character at best, hates him at worst. All of the other characters are better, with the MVP being Flash for me. I'm leaning on a 7 out of 10, but the epilogue nearly knocks it to a 6. What did you rate the theatrical cut? I think I gave it a 6 when I first saw it, but it's probably more like a 5.
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