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Post by hi224 on Mar 19, 2021 9:55:38 GMT
Who ya got?
For me:
Curtis
Poitier
Clift
Stewart
Mifune.
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Post by Isapop on Mar 19, 2021 15:26:58 GMT
It's not a year that really resonates with me.
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Post by politicidal on Mar 19, 2021 15:59:11 GMT
Poitier (The Defiant Ones)
Tracy (The Last Hurrah)
Newman (Cat on a Hot Tin Roof)
Stewart (Vertigo)
Welles (Touch of Evil)
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Post by timshelboy on Mar 19, 2021 16:37:24 GMT
Orson Welles TOUCH OF EVIL
Charlton Heston THE BIG COUNTRY/TOUCH OF EVIL
David Niven BONJOUR TRISTESSE/SEPARATE TABLES
Paul Newman CAT ON A HOT TIN ROOF/THE LONG HOT SUMMER
Maurice Ronet LIFT TO THE SCAFFOLD
Supports
Joseph Calleia TOUCH OF EVIL
Burl Ives CAT ON A HOT TIN ROOF/THE BIG COUNTRY
Robert Ryan LONELYHEARTS
Lee J cobb PARTY GIRL
Arthur Kennedy SOME CAME RUNNING
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Post by hi224 on Mar 19, 2021 16:52:23 GMT
Poitier (The Defiant Ones) Tracy (The Last Hurrah) Newman (Cat on a Hot Tin Roof) Stewart (Vertigo) Welles (Touch of Evil) Is Welles lead? |
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Post by politicidal on Mar 19, 2021 17:02:57 GMT
Poitier (The Defiant Ones) Tracy (The Last Hurrah) Newman (Cat on a Hot Tin Roof) Stewart (Vertigo) Welles (Touch of Evil) Is Welles lead? Does he have to be? He's still the heavy and frankly more interesting than Heston in the movie.
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Post by hi224 on Mar 19, 2021 17:39:37 GMT
Does he have to be? He's still the heavy and frankly more interesting than Heston in the movie. I always saw Welles as supporting, Heston would be the lead based upon it centering around his character, I currently have Welles supporting, he even has less screen time as well.
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Post by hi224 on Mar 19, 2021 17:40:10 GMT
Orson Welles TOUCH OF EVIL Charlton Heston THE BIG COUNTRY/TOUCH OF EVIL David Niven BONJOUR TRISTESSE/SEPARATE TABLES Paul Newman CAT ON A HOT TIN ROOF/THE LONG HOT SUMMER Maurice Ronet LIFT TO THE SCAFFOLD Supports Joseph Calleia TOUCH OF EVIL Burl Ives CAT ON A HOT TIN ROOF/THE BIG COUNTRY Robert Ryan LONELYHEARTS Lee J cobb PARTY GIRL Arthur Kennedy SOME CAME RUNNING nice call on Ronet.
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Post by timshelboy on Mar 19, 2021 18:07:12 GMT
Poitier (The Defiant Ones) Tracy (The Last Hurrah) Newman (Cat on a Hot Tin Roof) Stewart (Vertigo) Welles (Touch of Evil) Is Welles lead? You could argue him for either category - he certainly dominates the movie and although third billed probably has more screen time than lead category winner Anthony Hopkins in SOLT. I dithered over Heston in THE BIG COUNTRY 4th billed and second lead... but decided to cheat and name more than one film ....it could well be my favourite male performance of year whatever category....---didn't want to bump any of my supports, which I'd have to if I "demoted"* him * never know why anyone deems "support" win a lesser achievement - it is a far more competitive category. Interested if anyone knows when the rules changed re categories - I gather now performer gets choice (according to Olivia Colman who said the Rachel & Emma - both winners - opted for support category leaving Olivia better chance for THE FAVOURITE - the sweeties! )....but at one point they didn't get this choice (Roz Russell refused to placed in support nom category for PICNIC for example).
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Post by timshelboy on Mar 19, 2021 18:09:56 GMT
Orson Welles TOUCH OF EVIL Charlton Heston THE BIG COUNTRY/TOUCH OF EVIL David Niven BONJOUR TRISTESSE/SEPARATE TABLES Paul Newman CAT ON A HOT TIN ROOF/THE LONG HOT SUMMER Maurice Ronet LIFT TO THE SCAFFOLD Supports Joseph Calleia TOUCH OF EVIL Burl Ives CAT ON A HOT TIN ROOF/THE BIG COUNTRY Robert Ryan LONELYHEARTS Lee J cobb PARTY GIRL Arthur Kennedy SOME CAME RUNNING nice call on Ronet.  thanks yes - being the lead in a film where you are trapped in a lift for half the running time - and pulling that feat off so well - could not be ignored chez timshel.
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Post by hi224 on Mar 19, 2021 18:10:39 GMT
You could argue him for either category - he certainly dominates the movie and although third billed probably has more screen time than lead category winner Anthony Hopkins in SOLT. I dithered over Heston in THE BIG COUNTRY 4th billed and second lead... but decided to cheat and name more than one film ....it could well be my favourite male performance of year whatever category....---didn't want to bump any of my supports, which I'd have to if I "demoted"* him * never no why anyone deems "support" win a lesser achievement - it is a far more competitive category. Interested if anyone knows when the rules changed re categories - I gather now performer gets choice (according to Olivia Colman who said the Rachels - both winners - opted for support category leaving Olivia better chance - the sweeties! ....but at one point they didn't get this choice (Roz Russell refused to placed in support nom category for PICNIC for example). Dicaprioi also refused supporting so as not to compete with co-stars for The Departed.
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Post by hi224 on Mar 19, 2021 18:11:17 GMT
Does he have to be? He's still the heavy and frankly more interesting than Heston in the movie. I never realized how stacked 1958 was for best actor, and Niven won......
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Post by politicidal on Mar 19, 2021 18:11:47 GMT
Does he have to be? He's still the heavy and frankly more interesting than Heston in the movie. I never realized how stacked 1958 was for best actor, and Niven won...... Did he really? What movie was it?
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Post by hi224 on Mar 19, 2021 18:19:32 GMT
I never realized how stacked 1958 was for best actor, and Niven won...... Did he really? What movie was it? which was 15 minutes of screentime so technically category fraud as well.
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Post by politicidal on Mar 19, 2021 18:27:56 GMT
Did he really? What movie was it? which was 15 minutes of screentime so technically category fraud as well. I mean, I'll be honest if the performance is just that good, I don't think there ought to be a requirement on screentime. Didn't Hopkins win the Oscar for just 16 minutes in TSOL?
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Post by mikef6 on Mar 19, 2021 21:32:09 GMT
After reading the interesting debates above, I decided to stick with Welles and Niven as leads.
James Stewart in Vertigo - Winner
Tony Curtis in The Defiant Ones
David Niven in Separate Tables
Zbigniew Cybulski in Popiól I Diament (Ashes and Diamonds)
Orson Welles in Touch Of Evil
LEAD ALTERNATES
Andy Griffith in No Time for Sergeants
Jack Lemmon in Cowboy
SUPPORTING
Myron McCormick in No Time for Sergeants - Winner
Jack Carson in Cat on a Hot Tin Roof
Burl Ives in Cat on a Hot Tin Roof
John Dehner in The Left Handed Gun
Joseph Calleia in Touch Of Evil
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Post by hi224 on Mar 19, 2021 23:07:58 GMT
After reading the interesting debates above, I decided to stick with Welles and Niven as leads. James Stewart in Vertigo - Winner Tony Curtis in The Defiant Ones David Niven in Separate Tables Zbigniew Cybulski in Popiól I Diament (Ashes and Diamonds) Orson Welles in Touch Of Evil LEAD ALTERNATES Andy Griffith in No Time for Sergeants Jack Lemmon in Cowboy SUPPORTING Myron McCormick in No Time for Sergeants - Winner Jack Carson in Cat on a Hot Tin Roof Burl Ives in Cat on a Hot Tin Roof John Dehner in The Left Handed Gun Joseph Calleia in Touch Of Evil I am curious, not saying you are wrong, but why lead for Welles?.
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Post by mikef6 on Mar 20, 2021 0:42:01 GMT
I am curious, not saying you are wrong, but why lead for Welles?. For the reasons stated earlier, viz., even though a good argument can be made for Heston as lead, Welles totally dominates the movie and every other actor in it. It is the same reason I don't object to Supporting Oscars being awarded for brief screen time performances like Judi Dench in "Shakespeare In Love." Dame Judi was a commanding presence as Liza the First. Gauging the impact of an actor by a stop watch is not my way.
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Mar 20, 2021 9:04:26 GMT
Does he have to be? He's still the heavy and frankly more interesting than Heston in the movie. I always saw Welles as supporting, Heston would be the lead based upon it centering around his character, I currently have Welles supporting, he even has less screen time as well. I agree. Welles' steals the show and his performance proves far more memorable, but ultimately, he emerges as the villain. Certainly, Heston constitutes the conventional protagonist and the Academy likely would have regarded him that way.
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Post by timshelboy on Mar 20, 2021 10:09:13 GMT
Separate Tables which was 15 minutes of screentime so technically category fraud as well. I mean, I'll be honest if the performance is just that good, I don't think there ought to be a requirement on screentime. Didn't Hopkins win the Oscar for just 16 minutes in TSOL? At the risk of appearing ungallant, if we calibrate on the % of screen occupied by the performer I suspect Welles would trump Heston.    But I think that now leaves us with the thorny issue of Akim Tamiroff to address, who by this measure eclipses all but Orson and I think is now the movie's second male lead. No mere "support" act.....Akim Tamiroff displaying how not to get lost in the crowd...  and whilst I'm on a roll The only thing "supporting" here is what she is wearing... 
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thanks yes - being the lead in a film where you are trapped in a lift for half the running time - and pulling that feat off so well - could not be ignored chez timshel. 
