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Post by Skaathar on Mar 19, 2021 17:52:41 GMT
Few years back there was some controversy raised about how Snyder's Amazons were too sexualized and Patty's version was a lot better. I was reminded again of this after watching a bunch of reviews of the Snyder Cut. Here's a comparison (Patty's on the left, Snyder's on the right):  Well, I'm here to defend Snyder's costume choice as I feel it's actually more realistic. The Amazons are a female-only society living in a tropical island. They wouldn't have too much concerns regarding modesty and lighter, less attire makes sense in a humid and hot environment. They also belong to an age where the technology didn't make it easy to cover yourself in full, heavy metal armor. There's also the fact that their fighting style is based more on agility and acrobatics and less about standing toe to toe and trading blows with the enemy. Light and flexible armor would make more sense than heavier, rigid armor. And unlike the hoplites and legionnaires, the Amazons don't really seem to fight in rigid and tight formations. Lastly, the Amazons haven't fought any battles for thousands of years. I'd understand that if they were preparing for battle they'd put on heavier armor, but for their day to day training and guard duties it makes sense that they'd be wearing lighter, airier outfits. Now granted, I'm not naive enough to think that there wasn't a degree of sexual objectification to their costume design (of course there was). All I'm saying is that in a realistic context, Snyder's costumes actually makes more sense than Patty's. |
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Post by hobowar on Mar 19, 2021 18:02:52 GMT
Yeah but realism =/= good
In my opinion at least.
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Post by politicidal on Mar 19, 2021 18:13:09 GMT
I don't care. Bring back the sexiness in superhero movies.
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Post by Prime etc. on Mar 19, 2021 18:26:01 GMT
Well since some of those amazons look like they came out of an LGBT-themed cosplay convention I dont think the clothes matter a whole lot.
It used to be if someone said
amazon women tribe
you imagine Sybil Danning and friends or something like this:
A far cry from what we get now.
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Post by darkpast on Mar 19, 2021 18:30:49 GMT
I don't care. Bring back the sexiness in superhero movies. bring back the male gaze 😕 |
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 19, 2021 18:41:26 GMT
I don't care. Bring back the sexiness in superhero movies. Agreed. It's not like fighting crime in spandex is realistic anyway. So might as well go for visual appeal.
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Post by politicidal on Mar 19, 2021 18:46:25 GMT
I don't care. Bring back the sexiness in superhero movies. bring back the male gaze 😕 And female gaze as well. Eye candy for everyone!
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Mar 19, 2021 19:12:19 GMT
Here's a comparison (Patty's on the left, Snyder's on the right): ...And to be fair I think Snyders men were even more scantily clad in the movie 300! What I think he's really going for isn't necessarily sexiness, but muscularity. He's trying to show off their abs!
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 19, 2021 19:19:32 GMT
Here's a comparison (Patty's on the left, Snyder's on the right): ...And to be fair I think Snyders men were even more scantily clad in the movie 300! What I think he's really going for isn't necessarily sexiness, but muscularity. He's trying to show off their abs! I mentioned this in a different thread before but I think Snyder likes to glorify the human physique at their peak. Not in a sexual way but more in a hero-worship, larger than life kind of way. Like how sculptors would carve ancient Greek statues to be ridiculously muscular and impressive in order to make people stare at them in awe and worship.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Mar 19, 2021 19:35:26 GMT
...And to be fair I think Snyders men were even more scantily clad in the movie 300! What I think he's really going for isn't necessarily sexiness, but muscularity. He's trying to show off their abs! I mentioned this in a different thread before but I think Snyder likes to glorify the human physique at their peak. Not in a sexual way but more in a hero-worship, larger than life kind of way. Like how sculptors would carve ancient Greek statues to be ridiculously muscular and impressive in order to make people stare at them in awe and worship. I think so too. But lets also admit that the amazons is nice eye candy!
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Mar 20, 2021 2:40:43 GMT
Lastly, the Amazons haven't fought any battles for thousands of years. I'd understand that if they were preparing for battle they'd put on heavier armor, but for their day to day training and guard duties it makes sense that they'd be wearing lighter, airier outfits. Well, they did have a battle with the Germans relatively recently (for them). Several Amazonians were shot dead, including the Queen's own sister. Their big takeaway from that experience was less armor and more cheeky underwear?  300 proves Snyder is an equal opportunity offender, but it also proves he's not all that concerned with realistic battle gear. The Spartans didn't go to war in just capes and speedos, they wore armor.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 20, 2021 4:00:00 GMT
Lastly, the Amazons haven't fought any battles for thousands of years. I'd understand that if they were preparing for battle they'd put on heavier armor, but for their day to day training and guard duties it makes sense that they'd be wearing lighter, airier outfits. Well, they did have a battle with the Germans relatively recently (for them). Several Amazonians were shot dead, including the Queen's own sister. Their big takeaway from that experience was less armor and more cheeky underwear? 300 proves Snyder is an equal opportunity offender, but it also proves he's not all that concerned with realistic battle gear. The Spartans didn't go to war in just capes and speedos, they wore armor. Patty's amazonian armor wouldn't have protected them from bullets, just made them slower. So yeah, less useless armor makes more sense than more useless armor |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Mar 20, 2021 4:14:28 GMT
Well, they did have a battle with the Germans relatively recently (for them). Several Amazonians were shot dead, including the Queen's own sister. Their big takeaway from that experience was less armor and more cheeky underwear? 300 proves Snyder is an equal opportunity offender, but it also proves he's not all that concerned with realistic battle gear. The Spartans didn't go to war in just capes and speedos, they wore armor. Patty's amazonian armor wouldn't have protected them from bullets, just made them slower. So yeah, less useless armor makes more sense than more useless armor How about explosive shrapnel and debris?
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 21, 2021 4:02:06 GMT
Patty's amazonian armor wouldn't have protected them from bullets, just made them slower. So yeah, less useless armor makes more sense than more useless armor How about explosive shrapnel and debris? Sure, their Patty's armor design would protect them better against those, but the added protection granted is minimal compared to the added heat, discomfort and mobility issues Patty's armor design grants. So Snyder's design still ends up being more practical.
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Post by jonesjxd on Mar 25, 2021 10:34:48 GMT
Your defense of the bikini costumes makes no sense, it's not more realistic and has no pragmatic purpose. When these women go into battle they'd have to spend all their time defending the gigantic opening on the largest target for any enemy blows. Just admit you like it because you think it's hot, it may not be the woke stance, but there's nothing particularly wrong with being attracted to fit women in little apparel. It's the rationalizing that raises an eyebrow.
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Post by Jan El Señor on Mar 25, 2021 13:33:58 GMT
I never noticed a difference until I saw this thread.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Mar 25, 2021 21:08:32 GMT
Those are not the only costumes worn by the Amazons in either director's versions. A more complete study needs to be made.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 26, 2021 1:29:45 GMT
Your defense of the bikini costumes makes no sense, it's not more realistic and has no pragmatic purpose. When these women go into battle they'd have to spend all their time defending the gigantic opening on the largest target for any enemy blows. Just admit you like it because you think it's hot, it may not be the woke stance, but there's nothing particularly wrong with being attracted to fit women in little apparel. It's the rationalizing that raises an eyebrow. Did you not read my OP at all? Look, why do you think boxers, mma fighters, wrestlers, gymnasts, and a good number of athletes wear minimal clothing? Even female athletes wear stuff like this:      That's because minimal clothing IS beneficial when doing highly physical activities. It provides better mobility and better ventilation. It doesn't weigh you down or hinder your movements. It doesn't snag or get caught up on obstacles. Now you might have had a point had Patty's Amazonian warriors been heavily armored.... but they're not. In fact they're almost as unarmored as Snyder's version. The main difference is that they show less skin. Here's an example of one of the amazons so we can compare the different costumes between Wonder Woman and Justice League:  Compare the first and third pics. Really, the only extra protection she has in the first pic is an extra layer of leather to cover her midsection. But that leather looks thin enough that it will barely stop a blade from slashing through... so whatever added protection it provides is minimal. Other than that, she has these long leather strips that cover her legs like a grass skirt but it's so sparse that it won't provide any additional protection. On the other hand, they will make movement much more difficult and can get snagged on obstacles. That extra layer of leather on the midsection will make abdominal movements harder to do. And then you just add on less ventilation since leather and steel don't breathe that well. In other words, Patty's amazon costumes had additional covering that didn't serve that much practical combative purpose and were instead added more for modesty's sake. So no, sparse clothing is not simply eye-candy. It actually does provide quite a number of practical advantages.
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Post by jonesjxd on Mar 26, 2021 11:01:55 GMT
Your defense of the bikini costumes makes no sense, it's not more realistic and has no pragmatic purpose. When these women go into battle they'd have to spend all their time defending the gigantic opening on the largest target for any enemy blows. Just admit you like it because you think it's hot, it may not be the woke stance, but there's nothing particularly wrong with being attracted to fit women in little apparel. It's the rationalizing that raises an eyebrow. Did you not read my OP at all? Look, why do you think boxers, mma fighters, wrestlers, gymnasts, and a good number of athletes wear minimal clothing? Even female athletes wear stuff like this: That's because minimal clothing IS beneficial when doing highly physical activities. It provides better mobility and better ventilation. It doesn't weigh you down or hinder your movements. It doesn't snag or get caught up on obstacles. Now you might have had a point had Patty's Amazonian warriors been heavily armored.... but they're not. In fact they're almost as unarmored as Snyder's version. The main difference is that they show less skin. Here's an example of one of the amazons so we can compare the different costumes between Wonder Woman and Justice League: Compare the first and third pics. Really, the only extra protection she has in the first pic is an extra layer of leather to cover her midsection. But that leather looks thin enough that it will barely stop a blade from slashing through... so whatever added protection it provides is minimal. Other than that, she has these long leather strips that cover her legs like a grass skirt but it's so sparse that it won't provide any additional protection. On the other hand, they will make movement much more difficult and can get snagged on obstacles. That extra layer of leather on the midsection will make abdominal movements harder to do. And then you just add on less ventilation since leather and steel don't breathe that well. In other words, Patty's amazon costumes had additional covering that didn't serve that much practical combative purpose and were instead added more for modesty's sake. So no, sparse clothing is not simply eye-candy. It actually does provide quite a number of practical advantages. It's shocking that you could use an example this bad. You're honestly going to compare a picture of Gina Carano to pictures of bikini clad Amazonians wielding swords and hammers? These women are warriors, not athletes, they're not just defending against punches and kicks, they're defending against blades and blunt objects. And yes, Patti Jenkins Amazons are wearing armor, not head to toe, but they're wearing breastplates that span from their shoulders down their torso.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 26, 2021 15:55:41 GMT
Did you not read my OP at all? Look, why do you think boxers, mma fighters, wrestlers, gymnasts, and a good number of athletes wear minimal clothing? Even female athletes wear stuff like this: That's because minimal clothing IS beneficial when doing highly physical activities. It provides better mobility and better ventilation. It doesn't weigh you down or hinder your movements. It doesn't snag or get caught up on obstacles. Now you might have had a point had Patty's Amazonian warriors been heavily armored.... but they're not. In fact they're almost as unarmored as Snyder's version. The main difference is that they show less skin. Here's an example of one of the amazons so we can compare the different costumes between Wonder Woman and Justice League: Compare the first and third pics. Really, the only extra protection she has in the first pic is an extra layer of leather to cover her midsection. But that leather looks thin enough that it will barely stop a blade from slashing through... so whatever added protection it provides is minimal. Other than that, she has these long leather strips that cover her legs like a grass skirt but it's so sparse that it won't provide any additional protection. On the other hand, they will make movement much more difficult and can get snagged on obstacles. That extra layer of leather on the midsection will make abdominal movements harder to do. And then you just add on less ventilation since leather and steel don't breathe that well. In other words, Patty's amazon costumes had additional covering that didn't serve that much practical combative purpose and were instead added more for modesty's sake. So no, sparse clothing is not simply eye-candy. It actually does provide quite a number of practical advantages. It's shocking that you could use an example this bad. You're honestly going to compare a picture of Gina Carano to pictures of bikini clad Amazonians wielding swords and hammers? These women are warriors, not athletes, they're not just defending against punches and kicks, they're defending against blades and blunt objects. And yes, Patti Jenkins Amazons are wearing armor, not head to toe, but they're wearing breastplates that span from their shoulders down their torso. Seems you didn't actually read my answer and simply stopped at Gina Carano. Read it again and then reply. You'll see that majority of your argument was already addressed. |
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