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Post by london777 on Mar 28, 2021 3:35:51 GMT
8½ (1963) dir: Federico Fellini is many people's favourite film, and appears in many Top 10s, Top 100s, etc. Film-makers especially pay homage to it. (My own view is that its cinematic influence exceeds its intrinsic quality as a movie).  What other directors created their own equivalent? My question arises from having just watched All That Jazz (1979) directed, choreographed, and co-written by Bob Fosse. From my previous posts you may know that I generally despise musicals, putting them on the same low level as westerns. Fosse's film is terrific, however. I guess it is to musicals what The Searchers is to westerns.  Woody Allen, obviously, with Stardust Memories (1980), which is both an homage to and at times a parody of the Fellini film.  The nearest equivalent to 8½ which I have seen is Everything for Sale (1969) dir: Andrzej Wajda. Wajda many times denied the influence of the Fellini film, but he is deluding himself. It jumps out at you. This is not to say that his film is not very worthwhile in its own right, It may become one of my favourite Wajdas and it is very "meta". The narration jumps back and forth in time, and sometimes we do not know if we are watching real-life, or scenes from a film about the same events and characters or, indeed, actors acting out the events for an unseen camera. I need to watch it again to make more sense of it. Once I have done that I will try to write about it in our "Films About Making Films" thread, because it is a prime example.  What other examples can you think of? A straight autobiopic won't qualify. The director's life or career must be intertwined with the plot of the film we are watching. What I call a "meta" film,
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Post by manfromplanetx on Mar 28, 2021 23:30:04 GMT
" The director's life or career must be intertwined with the plot of the film we are watching. What I call a "meta" film,"
An interesting thread thanks london777... I am with you on 8½ a film that left me cold, Everything for Sale (1969) looks like a fascinating film to seek out. Une Histoire de vent (1988). Dutch born International filmmaker Joris Ivens (1898-1989) was one of the founding fathers of documentary film. An eternal traveller his career spanned over sixty years, his first film was shot in the twenties, this his last film was completed shortly before he died aged 90 in 1989. The film opens with a European child’s backyard fantasy playing out next to a spinning windmill, the little boy flies to far off, exotic China, in a plane that he has made himself. Switching scenes, we see an old man sitting in a chair at the top of a Gobi Desert dune, he waits for the wind, dreaming of the life that has brought him here. An introduction reads...“The Old Man, the hero of this tale, was born at the end of the last century, in a country where man has always striven to tame the sea and harness the wind. Camera in hand, he has traversed the 20th century in the midst of the stormy history of our time. In the evening of his life, at age 90, having survived the various wars and struggles that he filmed, the old filmmaker sets off for China. He has embarked on a mad project: to capture the invisible image of the wind.” Both poetic essay and meditative fiction, Ivens artistic creativity here is bound to the natural landscapes, cultural images and his personal memories. It is a film with many interlocking and interfacing histories, including the history of cinema. Entwined are a flow of memories from Ivens own long life. He lived with only one functioning lung and was fascinated with the wind, physically and metaphysically, both as a natural phenomenon and as a metaphor for movements in society and history. A Tale of the Wind is a profoundly touching and eloquent reflection on life and career, composed with his closet companion, his wife filmmaker Marceline Loridan. When the earth breathes, one calls it the wind. –Chinese proverb
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Post by OldAussie on Mar 29, 2021 0:02:01 GMT
Not sure if Truffaut's Day For Night fits your criteria.
I'm inclined to agree. So many famous (and not so famous) film makers visit the Criterion Closet and 8½ is the most selected film from the dozens I've watched. Here is one example -
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Post by london777 on Mar 29, 2021 14:00:42 GMT
I'm inclined to agree. So many famous (and not so famous) film makers visit the Criterion Closet and 8½ is the most selected film from the dozens I've watched. Here is one example - Yes, good example. At about 4 mins for those who do not want to watch the whole clip. I like the Criterion Cupboard but too many mumble, sometimes with a foreign accent and their back to the camera, so it is difficult to hear. Also they often flash the DVD or Blu-ray cover in reflected light and you cannot see which fim they are talking about. And who was it who chose mainly their own movies? Some, like Friedkin here, take only two or three freebies. Some greedy youngsters take as much as they can carry. Obviously film-makers love it because it refects their own experiences, but that does not automatically make it a great film for the rest of us. I do like it, though, for its audacity. A guy is bereft of ideas and inspiration yet battles on and churns out a movie anyway. Quite heroic really.
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Post by london777 on Mar 29, 2021 14:10:40 GMT
In NOSTALGHIA (1983), the first film he made after he had left the Soviet Union, Andrei Tarkovsky uses some autobiographical elements. Andrei, the film’s protagonist, is a Russian poet traveling Italy. He feels extremely homesick the same way Tarkovsky himself is said to have felt after he had left his home country. His The Mirror (1975) is also largely autobiographical. They are both free to watch on YouTube with adequate subtitles.
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Post by mikef6 on Mar 29, 2021 18:41:08 GMT
Kevin Spacey directed and starred in an “8½” but of someone else’s life in “Beyond The Sea” (2004). It is styled as a fantasy. The aging – perhaps already deceased – performer Bobby Darin (Spacey) looks back on his life and narrates for us. The conceit is that the older Darin (Spacey was about 20 years older than Darin was when he died) has stepped back into his own story accounting for a...uh...more mature actor in the role. 
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