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Post by movieliker on Apr 2, 2021 15:39:16 GMT
1) High quality shows and movies have attractive actors and actresses. 2) It should be. No more insulting than saying this movie or show was bad, the writing was bad, the acting was bad, etc. That is the way I feel about you. I don't know if you have a mental block, or you are just being deliberately obtuse. It's no different than saying "that movie had beautiful scenery or music". If reviewers can say they found anything about a movie or show attractive or unattractive, actors and actresses can be included in that discussion also.
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Post by Vits on Apr 2, 2021 16:10:27 GMT
It's no different than saying "that movie had beautiful scenery or music". If reviewers can say they found anything about a movie or show attractive or unattractive, actors and actresses can be included in that discussion also. No, because designing sets and composing the score are part of the creative process. We judge them based on the amount of effort it took to create them. Even if an actor's beauty was relevant, the fact that you wrote it almost at the very beginning of your post says a lot about your priorities.
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Post by movieliker on Apr 2, 2021 16:50:41 GMT
It's no different than saying "that movie had beautiful scenery or music". If reviewers can say they found anything about a movie or show attractive or unattractive, actors and actresses can be included in that discussion also. No, because designing sets and composing the score are part of the creative process. We judge them based on the amount of effort it took to create them. Even if an actor's beauty was relevant, the fact that you wrote it almost at the very beginning of your post says a lot about your priorities. I agree with that. Apparently Hollywood feels the same way. That is why most actors and actresses --- especially the more successful ones --- are good looking.
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Post by Vits on Apr 2, 2021 17:51:34 GMT
I agree with that. Apparently Hollywood feels the same way. That is why most actors and actresses --- especially the more successful ones --- are good looking. You sound so resentful when you say that. Is that the root of your misogyny?
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Post by movieliker on Apr 2, 2021 18:32:14 GMT
I agree with that. Apparently Hollywood feels the same way. That is why most actors and actresses --- especially the more successful ones --- are good looking. You sound so resentful when you say that. Is that the root of your misogyny? I'm not at all resentful. Why would you say that? It's only natural that people would want to look at attractive people. That is why it's called "attractive". Because it "atttacts" attention. Because people like to look at it.
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Post by autumn on Apr 2, 2021 22:25:29 GMT
But mentioning her body was completely irrelevant. The movie had nothing to do with her body. It's not a movie, but your right about the rest. I actually rolled my eyes when I read that. I binged it and watched every episode back to back, so it felt like a movie. Thank you for correcting me. It was my perception, albeit an inaccurate one.
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Post by autumn on Apr 2, 2021 22:31:20 GMT
You sound so resentful when you say that. Is that the root of your misogyny? I'm not at all resentful. Why would you say that? It's only natural that people would want to look at attractive people. That is why it's called "attractive". Because it "atttacts" attention. Because people like to look at it. You really do sound way too fixated with your objectification. IF the series had something to do with female bodies, your statement would have been relevant. However, it had to do with cerebral events and psychological processing of an orphan growing up as a savant. Her body and what it looks like, its appeal and attractiveness is totally irrelevant. The fact you felt the need to focus on it and mention it in your "review" does come across as misogynistic and shallow.
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Post by movieliker on Apr 3, 2021 2:08:34 GMT
I'm not at all resentful. Why would you say that? It's only natural that people would want to look at attractive people. That is why it's called "attractive". Because it "atttacts" attention. Because people like to look at it. You really do sound way too fixated with your objectification. IF the series had something to do with female bodies, your statement would have been relevant. However, it had to do with cerebral events and psychological processing of an orphan growing up as a savant. Her body and what it looks like, its appeal and attractiveness is totally irrelevant. The fact you felt the need to focus on it and mention it in your "review" does come across as misogynistic and shallow. I think you need to reread my review (opening post). It is you and Vits who are the ones who are "fixated". My post was 7 paragraphs long. I said I thought she was pretty. There was only one line in there about her body "No, she doesn't have the best body" and you two are so threatened and offended, neither of you can get over it.
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Post by autumn on Apr 3, 2021 2:43:02 GMT
You really do sound way too fixated with your objectification. IF the series had something to do with female bodies, your statement would have been relevant. However, it had to do with cerebral events and psychological processing of an orphan growing up as a savant. Her body and what it looks like, its appeal and attractiveness is totally irrelevant. The fact you felt the need to focus on it and mention it in your "review" does come across as misogynistic and shallow. I think you need to reread my review (opening post). It is you and Vits who are the ones who are "fixated". My post was 7 paragraphs long. I said I thought she was pretty. There was only one line in there about her body "No, she doesn't have the best body" and you two are so threatened and offended, neither of you can get over it. Because when men make comments about women's bodies, and objectify them, especially out of context, it perpetuates a dangerous and harmful cycle that needs to broken, right at the base.
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Post by movieliker on Apr 3, 2021 3:27:28 GMT
I think you need to reread my review (opening post). It is you and Vits who are the ones who are "fixated". My post was 7 paragraphs long. I said I thought she was pretty. There was only one line in there about her body "No, she doesn't have the best body" and you two are so threatened and offended, neither of you can get over it. Because when men make comments about women's bodies, and objectify them, especially out of context, it perpetuates a dangerous and harmful cycle that needs to broken, right at the base. I disagee. If my review was all about her body, I would agree. If I gave a poor review only because I said I wasn't happy with her body, I would agree. But it was one marginal critizism of a TV show I gave a 9/10. One line in a seven paragraph review. You guys are making a mountain out of a molehill. And also, healthy women like being seen as sex objects. No, not JUST sex objects. But yes that is one reason why they spend so much time, energy and money on their appearance. They want to look good. They want to look sexy. They want to be attractive. And women who have good bodies attract more attention than those who don't. Men care about those types of things. And I'm a man.
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Post by Vits on Apr 3, 2021 5:24:01 GMT
It is you and Vits who are the ones who are "fixated". My post was 7 paragraphs long. I said I thought she was pretty. There was only one line in there about her body "No, she doesn't have the best body" and you two are so threatened and offended, neither of you can get over it. You wrote 4 lines about her appearance, actually. And as I said before, you placed them at the beginning, which does make a difference. If our observations about your comments were as meaningless as you make them out to be, why don't you just ignore us? In fact, why didn't you ignore us the first time we wrote about that? It seems like you're the one who's fixated on the topic since you feel the urge to justify yourself. And also, healthy women like being seen as sex objects. No, not JUST sex objects. But yes that is one reason why they spend so much time, energy and money on their appearance. They want to look good. They want to look sexy. They want to be attractive. You sound like a construction worker who gets butt-hurt whenever a woman gets angry after he has catcalled or whistled at a her.
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Post by movieliker on Apr 3, 2021 6:27:46 GMT
It is you and Vits who are the ones who are "fixated". My post was 7 paragraphs long. I said I thought she was pretty. There was only one line in there about her body "No, she doesn't have the best body" and you two are so threatened and offended, neither of you can get over it. 1) You wrote 4 lines about her appearance, actually. And as I said before, you placed them at the beginning, which does make a difference. 2) If our observations about your comments were as meaningless as you make them out to be, why don't you just ignore us? In fact, why didn't you ignore us the first time we wrote about that? It seems like you're the one who's fixated on the topic since you feel the urge to justify yourself. And also, healthy women like being seen as sex objects. No, not JUST sex objects. But yes that is one reason why they spend so much time, energy and money on their appearance. They want to look good. They want to look sexy. They want to be attractive. 3) You sound like a construction worker who gets butt-hurt whenever a woman gets angry after he has catcalled or whistled at a her. 1) 4 lines about her appearance. 3 positive. And 1 negative. You are trying to move the goalposts Vits. Nobody objected to me saying I thought she was pretty. Or that she looked good when she wore nice clothes that fit well. Or that her personality and style were compelling and riveting. It was just the body comment you two took exception to. 2) - Because I studied psychology and sociology in college. And although I'm not a working professional, it's always been an interest of mine. - Besides at 62, I feel it's my obligation to teach those younger and less informed. - And right is right. And wrong is wrong. And you two are wrong. - This is the whole purpose of these message boards. To share opinions, discuss and debate. 3) You are being ridiculous. Nobody has cat-called anybody. You sound like a person obsessed with political correctness. And paralized by being overly sensitive.
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Post by Vits on Apr 3, 2021 6:55:23 GMT
4 lines about her appearance. 3 positive. And 1 negative. You are trying to move the goalposts Vits. Nobody objected to me saying I thought she was pretty. Or that she looked good when she wore nice clothes that fit well. Or that her personality and style were compelling and riveting. It was just the body comment you two took exception to. I never singled out your comment about her body. Press CTRL+F if you don't believe me. It was about you focusing on her appearance as a whole. Besides at 62, I feel it's my obligation to teach those younger and less informed. Wouldn't it be the other way around? That younger people have to teach you that the world has changed? This is the whole purpose of these message boards. To share opinions, discuss and debate. That's one of the first things I said and then you made it seem like you don't care about all that when the opinion, discussion or debate has to do with you making a mistake and how to improve. You are being ridiculous. Nobody has cat-called anybody. That's why I said "You sound like." I wasn't being literal. How could I when you weren't talking to Anya in person? It has to do with your attitude. "I'm entitled to saying words since I'm not hurting anyone physically. Women make decisions on how to look based on how they want to be seen rather than to feel good about themselves. And they must be grateful for unwanted compliments."
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Post by movieliker on Apr 3, 2021 7:30:33 GMT
4 lines about her appearance. 3 positive. And 1 negative. You are trying to move the goalposts Vits. Nobody objected to me saying I thought she was pretty. Or that she looked good when she wore nice clothes that fit well. Or that her personality and style were compelling and riveting. It was just the body comment you two took exception to. I never singled out your comment about her body. Press CTRL+F if you don't believe me. It was about you focusing on her appearance as a whole. Besides at 62, I feel it's my obligation to teach those younger and less informed. Wouldn't it be the other way around? That younger people have to teach you that the world has changed? This is the whole purpose of these message boards. To share opinions, discuss and debate. That's one of the first things I said and then you made it seem like you don't care about all that when the opinion, discussion or debate has to do with you making a mistake and how to improve. You are being ridiculous. Nobody has cat-called anybody. That's why I said "You sound like." I wasn't being literal. How could I when you weren't talking to Anya in person? It has to do with your attitude. "I'm entitled to saying words since I'm not hurting anyone physically. Women make decisions on how to look based on how they want to be seen rather than to feel good about themselves. And they must be grateful for unwanted compliments." This has gotten ridiculous. We will just have to agree to disagree. I've explained my position well enough. Rest assured, I speak with young people all the time.
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Post by autumn on Apr 5, 2021 1:04:32 GMT
1) You wrote 4 lines about her appearance, actually. And as I said before, you placed them at the beginning, which does make a difference. 2) If our observations about your comments were as meaningless as you make them out to be, why don't you just ignore us? In fact, why didn't you ignore us the first time we wrote about that? It seems like you're the one who's fixated on the topic since you feel the urge to justify yourself.3) You sound like a construction worker who gets butt-hurt whenever a woman gets angry after he has catcalled or whistled at a her. 1) 4 lines about her appearance. 3 positive. And 1 negative. You are trying to move the goalposts Vits. Nobody objected to me saying I thought she was pretty. Or that she looked good when she wore nice clothes that fit well. Or that her personality and style were compelling and riveting. It was just the body comment you two took exception to. 2) - Because I studied psychology and sociology in college. And although I'm not a working professional, it's always been an interest of mine. - Besides at 62, I feel it's my obligation to teach those younger and less informed. - And right is right. And wrong is wrong. And you two are wrong. - This is the whole purpose of these message boards. To share opinions, discuss and debate. 3) You are being ridiculous. Nobody has cat-called anybody. You sound like a person obsessed with political correctness. And paralized by being overly sensitive. Actually, your being 62 commenting on a what's supposed to be a teenager girl's body is even more disturbing. Anya herself isn't, but the point is her character being portrayed is that of a teenager through most of this movie. This is making you sound even creepier. It's comments like this, talking about young women's bodies and objectifying them, especially in situations that don't warrant it, that leads to things like them having depression, anxiety, body dysmorphia, anorexia, and it starts quite young. If you've had this attitude and spread it to the females in your life, you've contributed to the damaged psyche of so many poor young ladies, it's sad. Yes it matters. And it matters greatly. If you were watching a burlesque show and made a comment, then it would be totally appropriate because those women are knowingly and with consent choosing to be objectified and openly so. However a series about chess has absolutely fuckall to do with the shape and contours of what a supposed teenager's body looks like on the screen and isn't there to pander to men. It's a movie about chess. It's about a young girl orphaned through a tragedy coming into her own independence, perhaps on the spectrum, a savant, in a man's world. Her body is irrelevant in this series regardless of your fixation.
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Post by movieliker on Apr 5, 2021 2:17:01 GMT
1) 4 lines about her appearance. 3 positive. And 1 negative. You are trying to move the goalposts Vits. Nobody objected to me saying I thought she was pretty. Or that she looked good when she wore nice clothes that fit well. Or that her personality and style were compelling and riveting. It was just the body comment you two took exception to. 2) - Because I studied psychology and sociology in college. And although I'm not a working professional, it's always been an interest of mine. - Besides at 62, I feel it's my obligation to teach those younger and less informed. - And right is right. And wrong is wrong. And you two are wrong. - This is the whole purpose of these message boards. To share opinions, discuss and debate. 3) You are being ridiculous. Nobody has cat-called anybody. You sound like a person obsessed with political correctness. And paralized by being overly sensitive. Actually, your being 62 commenting on a what's supposed to be a teenager girl's body is even more disturbing. Anya herself isn't, but the point is her character being portrayed is that of a teenager through most of this movie. This is making you sound even creepier. It's comments like this, talking about young women's bodies and objectifying them, especially in situations that don't warrant it, that leads to things like them having depression, anxiety, body dysmorphia, anorexia, and it starts quite young. If you've had this attitude and spread it to the females in your life, you've contributed to the damaged psyche of so many poor young ladies, it's sad. Yes it matters. And it matters greatly. If you were watching a burlesque show and made a comment, then it would be totally appropriate because those women are knowingly and with consent choosing to be objectified and openly so. However a series about chess has absolutely fuckall to do with the shape and contours of what a supposed teenager's body looks like on the screen and isn't there to pander to men. It's a movie about chess. It's about a young girl orphaned through a tragedy coming into her own independence, perhaps on the spectrum, a savant, in a man's world. Her body is irrelevant in this series regardless of your fixation. I disagree. Men always objectify women. And women objectify men. It's not my responsibility to teach young girls --- who I have never met --- how to handle the objectification. That is the responsibility of her parents, her guardians, or elders, and/or friends. The star character of this movie didn't seem to have any problems dealing with men. Many girls don't. And this movie took place during a time when men were much less considerate of, and less sensitive to women's issues. That is the way it is. That is the way it has always been. And that is the way it will always be. That is natural, good and healthy. Don't put the parents' responsibilities on strangers. And don't put them on me. Men are not going to stop being physically attracted to women just because some women can't handle it. Healthy women can not only handle men being physically attracted to them, healthy women like it. We don't want a world where every man treats every woman like an immature and insecure headcase. And I know from experience, healthy women not only don't want that, they are insulted if treated that way. I've had women tell me before, "I'm a big girl. I know how to take care of myself. Stop treating me like I have some kind of problem." The goal is to teach the girls and women who need assistance --- and most girls and women don't --- how to deal with healthy and natural social intercourse between men and women. Not to bring everyone down to the lowest possible denominator. I agree, I know some girls and women have self image problems. But that is their problem. Not the problem of every man on Earth. Those girls need help because they are the exception. Not the rule. I compliment women who I think or know have self esteem problems. And I treat them differently than healthy women. But that is special treatment for special cases. Healthy women don't need or want that.
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Post by autumn on Apr 5, 2021 21:29:40 GMT
Actually, your being 62 commenting on a what's supposed to be a teenager girl's body is even more disturbing. Anya herself isn't, but the point is her character being portrayed is that of a teenager through most of this movie. This is making you sound even creepier. It's comments like this, talking about young women's bodies and objectifying them, especially in situations that don't warrant it, that leads to things like them having depression, anxiety, body dysmorphia, anorexia, and it starts quite young. If you've had this attitude and spread it to the females in your life, you've contributed to the damaged psyche of so many poor young ladies, it's sad. Yes it matters. And it matters greatly. If you were watching a burlesque show and made a comment, then it would be totally appropriate because those women are knowingly and with consent choosing to be objectified and openly so. However a series about chess has absolutely fuckall to do with the shape and contours of what a supposed teenager's body looks like on the screen and isn't there to pander to men. It's a movie about chess. It's about a young girl orphaned through a tragedy coming into her own independence, perhaps on the spectrum, a savant, in a man's world. Her body is irrelevant in this series regardless of your fixation. I disagree. Men always objectify women. And women objectify men. It's not my responsibility to teach young girls --- who I have never met --- how to handle the objectification. That is the responsibility of her parents, her guardians, or elders, and/or friends. The star character of this movie didn't seem to have any problems dealing with men. Many girls don't. And this movie took place during a time when men were much less considerate of, and less sensitive to women's issues. That is the way it is. That is the way it has always been. And that is the way it will always be. That is natural, good and healthy. Don't put the parents' responsibilities on strangers. And don't put them on me. Men are not going to stop being physically attracted to women just because some women can't handle it. Healthy women can not only handle men being physically attracted to them, healthy women like it. We don't want a world where every man treats every woman like an immature and insecure headcase. And I know from experience, healthy women not only don't want that, they are insulted if treated that way. I've had women tell me before, "I'm a big girl. I know how to take care of myself. Stop treating me like I have some kind of problem." The goal is to teach the girls and women who need assistance --- and most girls and women don't --- how to deal with healthy and natural social intercourse between men and women. Not to bring everyone down to the lowest possible denominator. I agree, I know some girls and women have self image problems. But that is their problem. Not the problem of every man on Earth. Those girls need help because they are the exception. Not the rule. I compliment women who I think or know have self esteem problems. And I treat them differently than healthy women. But that is special treatment for special cases. Healthy women don't need or want that. You are totally missing the point, and you're also assuming you know women. Your attitude has contributed to the unhealthy obsessions of women for decades, and you're trying to justify it. It's disgusting, and you want to tell women to suck it up so you can continue to treat women like pieces of meat, even teenagers on the screen. You have zero respect for women, and it shows with how little class you show. Raising our sons to treat women like this is dehumanizing. Of course men and women will always be physically attracted to each other. But a person of class and substance doesn't go about blathering like this and speaking about women in such ways. It's quite appalling. Each person wants to feel attractive, and no one is denying that, but when it comes to total strangers talking about our individual body parts and dissecting us as if we're there entirely for your personal viewing pleasure? That is when you turn flattery into creepy. You're a stranger. Tell your beloved how attractive she is, and that's endearing. Talk about a teenager's body parts and you're a reprobate.
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Post by movieliker on Apr 5, 2021 22:53:47 GMT
I disagree. Men always objectify women. And women objectify men. It's not my responsibility to teach young girls --- who I have never met --- how to handle the objectification. That is the responsibility of her parents, her guardians, or elders, and/or friends. The star character of this movie didn't seem to have any problems dealing with men. Many girls don't. And this movie took place during a time when men were much less considerate of, and less sensitive to women's issues. That is the way it is. That is the way it has always been. And that is the way it will always be. That is natural, good and healthy. Don't put the parents' responsibilities on strangers. And don't put them on me. Men are not going to stop being physically attracted to women just because some women can't handle it. Healthy women can not only handle men being physically attracted to them, healthy women like it. We don't want a world where every man treats every woman like an immature and insecure headcase. And I know from experience, healthy women not only don't want that, they are insulted if treated that way. I've had women tell me before, "I'm a big girl. I know how to take care of myself. Stop treating me like I have some kind of problem." The goal is to teach the girls and women who need assistance --- and most girls and women don't --- how to deal with healthy and natural social intercourse between men and women. Not to bring everyone down to the lowest possible denominator. I agree, I know some girls and women have self image problems. But that is their problem. Not the problem of every man on Earth. Those girls need help because they are the exception. Not the rule. I compliment women who I think or know have self esteem problems. And I treat them differently than healthy women. But that is special treatment for special cases. Healthy women don't need or want that. You are totally missing the point, and you're also assuming you know women. Your attitude has contributed to the unhealthy obsessions of women for decades, and you're trying to justify it. It's disgusting, and you want to tell women to suck it up so you can continue to treat women like pieces of meat, even teenagers on the screen. You have zero respect for women, and it shows with how little class you show. Raising our sons to treat women like this is dehumanizing. Of course men and women will always be physically attracted to each other. But a person of class and substance doesn't go about blathering like this and speaking about women in such ways. It's quite appalling. Each person wants to feel attractive, and no one is denying that, but when it comes to total strangers talking about our individual body parts and dissecting us as if we're there entirely for your personal viewing pleasure? That is when you turn flattery into creepy. You're a stranger.
Tell your beloved how attractive she is, and that's endearing. Talk about a teenager's body parts and you're a reprobate. I wasn't talking to the actress. I would never say that to her. Anybody who is an actor or actress puts themselves out there for critical analysis. She's a professional actress. I don't talk to normal everyday women that way. And I would never say that to this actress if I ever got a chance to talk with her. And I never ever addressed how the actress who played the teenage version of the central character looked physically in a sexual way. You are conflating two different things. And accusing me of things I never did or said.
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Post by Vits on Apr 6, 2021 9:21:46 GMT
Anybody who is an actor or actress puts themselves out there for critical analysis. Exactly. Just talk about her acting. I don't talk to normal everyday women that way. And I would never say that to this actress if I ever got a chance to talk with her. I'm glad that you have boundaries, but that still doesn't make this behavior OK. In fact, expressing these thoughts on a public platform can result in other people reading them and being encouraged by them. And I never ever addressed how the actress who played the teenage version of the central character looked physically in a sexual way. Huh? It was always Anya.
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Post by movieliker on Apr 6, 2021 9:33:08 GMT
Anybody who is an actor or actress puts themselves out there for critical analysis. 1) Exactly. Just talk about her acting. I don't talk to normal everyday women that way. And I would never say that to this actress if I ever got a chance to talk with her. 2) I'm glad that you have boundaries, but that still doesn't make this behavior OK. In fact, expressing these thoughts on a public platform can result in other people reading them and being encouraged by them. And I never ever addressed how the actress who played the teenage version of the central character looked physically in a sexual way. 3) Huh? It was always Anya. 1) No. Men talk about women as sex objects, and objects of beauty. 2) I'm not responsible for men who don't respect women. Most men do respect women. I'm not gonna force everyone down to the lowest possible denominator. 3) Autumn is accusing me of being creepy because of the way I talked about the main character as a child and a teenager.
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