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Post by moviemouth on Apr 2, 2021 1:36:41 GMT
I imagine Stephen King's writing process for this movie went something like this. Seriously, Sleepwalkers is bonkers and idiotic. It seems like it should be more entertaining than it is given the ridiculousness of a lot of what happens in this movie. The movie is bad on so many levels.
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Post by petrolino on Apr 2, 2021 1:45:55 GMT
They were all light-cruising around this time, for a variety of reasons, before getting their mojo back. Some strong cameos from the horror community, probably around the same time John Carpenter got the old crew together for 'Body Bags'.
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Post by moviemouth on Apr 2, 2021 1:51:23 GMT
They were all light-cruising around this time, for a variety of reasons, before getting their mojo back. Some strong cameos from the horror community, probably around the same time John Carpenter got the old crew together for 'Body Bags'. You're right. What happened in the late 1980's that caused the decline of all these famous horror directors and writers in the 1990's? What are the variety of reasons you are talking about?
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Post by James on Apr 2, 2021 1:52:26 GMT
Yeah, I wanted to like it but couldn't get into it. I can see why for some it's a major guilty pleasure, but I just find it so weird and off-the-wall that it's hard to enjoy. And what was up with the incest crap? And all the pointless cameos? (I get the Stephen King one but the rest made the use of them felt excessive.)
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Post by moviemouth on Apr 2, 2021 1:58:01 GMT
Yeah, I wanted to like it but couldn't get into it. I can see why for some it's a major guilty pleasure, but I just find it so weird and off-the-wall that it's hard to enjoy. And what was up with the incest crap? And all the pointless cameos? (I get the Stephen King one but the rest made the use of them felt excessive.) The incest stuff is a rip-off of Cat People (1982). In Cat People it has a point though.
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Post by James on Apr 2, 2021 2:01:35 GMT
Yeah, I wanted to like it but couldn't get into it. I can see why for some it's a major guilty pleasure, but I just find it so weird and off-the-wall that it's hard to enjoy. And what was up with the incest crap? And all the pointless cameos? (I get the Stephen King one but the rest made the use of them felt excessive.) The incest stuff is a rip-off of Cat People (1982). In Cat People it has a point though. That explains it. What was it about cat-related horror movies and taboo relationships?
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Post by petrolino on Apr 2, 2021 2:05:31 GMT
They were all light-cruising around this time, for a variety of reasons, before getting their mojo back. Some strong cameos from the horror community, probably around the same time John Carpenter got the old crew together for 'Body Bags'. You're right. What happened in the late 1980's that caused the decline of all these famous horror directors and writers in the 1990's? What are the variety of reasons you are talking about? Without going in to detail, I think a number of factors.
Home video killed the drive-in and cheapo cinema, but the format was still slow and ridiculously expensive to distribute. Film producers played to a lazy gallery with sequelitis. The filmmakers I consider real artists, who'd dominated the 1970s and would remain dedicated to genre, were going through midlife crisis and personal problems. The MPAA was running roughshod over independents with heavy-handed censorship. Horror in the early 1990s was desperately poor, generally speaking, so the odd great original movie like a 'Candyman' stood out like a sore thumb (in America it was a much stronger decade overall for crime cinema, much like the 1940s).
The best horror directors were still capable of great work though, and I think several of them did produce bona fide genre classics in the first half of the 1990s, despite the challenges and how bad things had gotten in general.
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Post by moviemouth on Apr 2, 2021 2:14:20 GMT
The incest stuff is a rip-off of Cat People (1982). In Cat People it has a point though. That explains it. What was it about cat-related horror movies and taboo relationships? The horror genre is the most taboo genre by nature. Is it more bothersome to you here because it is actually shown? There are many horror movies with inbred families as the villains. A quick Goodle search says that cats are prone to inbreeding.
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Post by James on Apr 2, 2021 2:31:43 GMT
That explains it. What was it about cat-related horror movies and taboo relationships? The horror genre is the most taboo genre by nature. Is it more bothersome to you here because it is actually shown? There are many horror movies with inbred families as the villains. A quick Goodle search says that cats are prone to inbreeding. I never knew about that. It's more bothersome to me that it's shown, but then again some other inbred villains made sense like in Wrong Turn as they're already pretty nasty in their own way, whereas here it just felt thrown in to be edgy and shocking.
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Post by moviemouth on Apr 2, 2021 2:37:03 GMT
The horror genre is the most taboo genre by nature. Is it more bothersome to you here because it is actually shown? There are many horror movies with inbred families as the villains. A quick Goodle search says that cats are prone to inbreeding.I never knew about that. It's more bothersome to me that it's shown, but then again some other inbred villains made sense like in Wrong Turn as they're already pretty nasty in their own way, whereas here it just felt thrown in to be edgy and shocking. That is why it is done in Sleepwalkers, but horror movies do stuff to be edgy and shocking on a fairly regular basis. Not necessarily a bad thing. The point is to make the viewer uncomfortable and it works, though it needs a good screenplay to work within. One of my favorite directors, Lars Von Trier, uses shock value quite often. Isn't it funny how we are so comfortable with brutal murder and torture, but we freak out when we see incest? Incest isn't even necessarily an immoral act if it is between adults. There are good reasons why incest is illegal in most states, but it doesn't have to do with the mere fact that it is incest.
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Post by James on Apr 2, 2021 2:49:01 GMT
I never knew about that. It's more bothersome to me that it's shown, but then again some other inbred villains made sense like in Wrong Turn as they're already pretty nasty in their own way, whereas here it just felt thrown in to be edgy and shocking. That is why it is done in Sleepwalkers, but horror movies do stuff to be edgy and shocking on a fairly regular basis. Not necessarily a bad thing. The point is to make the viewer uncomfortable and it works, though it needs a good screenplay to work within. One of my favorite directors, Lars Von Trier, uses shock value quite often. Isn't it funny how we are so comfortable with brutal murder and torture, but we freak out when we see incest? Incest isn't even necessarily an immoral act if it is between adults. There are good reasons why incest is illegal in most states, but it doesn't have to do with the mere fact that it is incest. When you put it that way, it is rather odd how we are offended by certain things even though there are other things done in film that are technically worse. Reminds me of how it's almost forbidden to show any nudity - stuff we witness to ourselves on a regular basis - now but gore and violence gets a pass - what we would never want to see happen in front of us. Incest can be done disturbing in a good way in movies with a good script, as you stated. It also should moreso be hinted at in a way that we can piece together the events in our mind, in which our imagination adds to the disturbing factor.
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Post by moviemouth on Apr 2, 2021 2:54:41 GMT
That is why it is done in Sleepwalkers, but horror movies do stuff to be edgy and shocking on a fairly regular basis. Not necessarily a bad thing. The point is to make the viewer uncomfortable and it works, though it needs a good screenplay to work within. One of my favorite directors, Lars Von Trier, uses shock value quite often. Isn't it funny how we are so comfortable with brutal murder and torture, but we freak out when we see incest? Incest isn't even necessarily an immoral act if it is between adults. There are good reasons why incest is illegal in most states, but it doesn't have to do with the mere fact that it is incest. When you put it that way, it is rather odd how we are offended by certain things even though there are other things done in film that are technically worse. Reminds me of how it's almost forbidden to show any nudity - stuff we witness to ourselves on a regular basis - now but gore and violence gets a pass - what we would never want to see happen in front of us. Incest can be done disturbing in a good way in movies with a good script, as you stated. It also should moreso be hinted at in a way that we can piece together the events in our mind, in which our imagination adds to the disturbing factor. I think swearing is the winner in that regard. Breaking Bad shows a person get their throat slit in a more brutal way than most movies, but saying "fuck" is off-limits.
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Post by James on Apr 2, 2021 2:55:50 GMT
When you put it that way, it is rather odd how we are offended by certain things even though there are other things done in film that are technically worse. Reminds me of how it's almost forbidden to show any nudity - stuff we witness to ourselves on a regular basis - now but gore and violence gets a pass - what we would never want to see happen in front of us. Incest can be done disturbing in a good way in movies with a good script, as you stated. It also should moreso be hinted at in a way that we can piece together the events in our mind, in which our imagination adds to the disturbing factor. I think swearing is the winner in that regard. Breaking Bad shows a person get their throat slit in a more brutal way than most movies, but saying "fuck" is off-limits. Yes, that too.
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Post by MCDemuth on Apr 2, 2021 3:08:14 GMT
Yeah, I wanted to like it but couldn't get into it. I can see why for some it's a major guilty pleasure, but I just find it so weird and off-the-wall that it's hard to enjoy. And what was up with the incest crap? And all the pointless cameos? (I get the Stephen King one but the rest made the use of them felt excessive.) The incest stuff is a rip-off of Cat People (1982). In Cat People it has a point though. I think there was a point... She says something that implied that he has to get it for her... I guess male sleepwalkers must get the life force energy for the female sleepwalkers and that energy is transmitted through sex... And since they were the only two sleepwalkers that were known to still exist, incest was necessary to feed her... Although, he had not tried to suck the girl dry, yet, when that scene happened in the movie... and so I don't know what that was all about... Not sure if the film would have worked if it had been a Husband and Wife pair of sleepwalkers, or a Boyfriend and Girlfriend pair of sleepwalkers... I still find the end confusing... Was he dead at the end, and essentially a zombie when he was stealing the girl's life force? If so, then what? Incest sex with her dead son? That's even worse to think about.
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Post by moviemouth on Apr 2, 2021 3:15:49 GMT
The incest stuff is a rip-off of Cat People (1982). In Cat People it has a point though. I think there was a point... She says something that implied that he has to get it for her... I guess male sleepwalkers must get the life force energy for the female sleepwalkers and that energy is transmitted through sex... And since they were the only two sleepwalkers that were known to still exist, incest was necessary to feed her... Although, he had not tried to suck the girl dry, yet, when that scene happened in the movie... and so I don't know what that was all about... Not sure if the film would have worked if it had been a Husband and Wife pair of sleepwalkers, or a Boyfriend and Girlfriend pair of sleepwalkers... I still find the end confusing... Was he dead at the end, and essentially a zombie when he was stealing the girl's life force? If so, then what? Incest sex with her dead son? That's even worse to think about. I had a hard time even paying attention to the movie, because it is so badly made. If what you say is expressed during a part I wasn't paying attention to, then it would make sense. The question is, are they an incestuous race of creatures like in Cat People or are they incestuous just the sake of their survival because they are the last 2 of their kind? The movie is too dumb for me to give any more thought to regarding this.
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Post by darkreviewer2013 on Apr 2, 2021 7:00:21 GMT
Haven't seen it in eons but I recall liking it. I know that's not a popular stance to take.
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Post by Captain Spencer on Apr 2, 2021 14:12:26 GMT
When you put it that way, it is rather odd how we are offended by certain things even though there are other things done in film that are technically worse. Reminds me of how it's almost forbidden to show any nudity - stuff we witness to ourselves on a regular basis - now but gore and violence gets a pass - what we would never want to see happen in front of us. Incest can be done disturbing in a good way in movies with a good script, as you stated. It also should moreso be hinted at in a way that we can piece together the events in our mind, in which our imagination adds to the disturbing factor. I think swearing is the winner in that regard. Breaking Bad shows a person get their throat slit in a more brutal way than most movies, but saying "fuck" is off-limits. Yeah I never understood this mentality with television. Another example is The Walking Dead. Intestines are spilled on the ground, heads are hacked off or split in half, flesh is torn apart. But are they allowed to show nudity and f-bombs? Hell no!
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Post by stefancrosscoe on Apr 3, 2021 7:13:52 GMT
Haven't seen it in eons but I recall liking it. I know that's not a popular stance to take. Yeah, me either. Might do a bit of re-watching, this summer though. I remember hoping it would be a "winner", but from my former visit, I rated it with a 5/10. I remember very well, that the artwork/movie poster, seemed very much alike, in choices of colors/design or style, to an earlier, and most likely way more fun and enjoyable early 90s horror release, in Arachnophobia (1990). However, I always loved the haunting sounds, of Enya and her Boadicia, which would later on be "borrowed" by Fugees on their hit single, Ready or Not. Something, which surely did not go unoticed, as Enya brought the band to court, or something not that far off, but for me, the use of the original, is something that surely highlighted the 90s horror film.
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Post by darkreviewer2013 on Apr 3, 2021 8:07:23 GMT
Haven't seen it in eons but I recall liking it. I know that's not a popular stance to take. Yeah, me either. Might do a bit of re-watching, this summer though. I remember hoping it would be a "winner", but from my former visit, I rated it with a 5/10. I remember very well, that the artwork/movie poster, seemed very much alike, in choices of colors/design or style, to an earlier, and most likely way more fun and enjoyable early 90s horror release, in Arachnophobia (1990). However, I always loved the haunting sounds, of Enya and her Boadicia, which would later on be "borrowed" by Fugees on their hit single, Ready or Not. Something, which surely did not go unoticed, as Enya brought the band to court, or something not that far off, but for me, the use of the original, is something that surely highlighted the 90s horror film. Yeah. You're right about the poster's similarity that that of Arachnaphobia - a movie I could never watch due to my horrendous fear of spiders. Didn't know about the Enya connection.
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Apr 3, 2021 19:55:41 GMT
I really didnt know what to make of the film.
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