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Post by thisguy4000 on Apr 3, 2021 23:40:08 GMT
Personally, I’m going to lean towards a reluctant yes.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Apr 3, 2021 23:50:29 GMT
I'd lean toward a reluctant no, if for no other reason than Lucas couldn't stop fucking with the unanimously good ones.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2021 1:06:40 GMT
Yes. Star Wars should never have continued without him. He should have at least been used to approve concept art because he knew what the universe should look like and had a great eye for visual design.
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Post by bluerisk on Apr 4, 2021 13:49:50 GMT
He was the lesser evil.
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Apr 4, 2021 15:22:00 GMT
OT trilogy George yes. PT George no.
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Post by jammer81386 on Apr 4, 2021 18:51:17 GMT
Yes. For all of the faults with the prequels it was a coherent vision. The sequel trilogy was a product by a bunch of people who could not agree on where the story should go.
Also, none of the characters of the ST have left as much of an impact as ones from the prequels. There is genuine interest in characters like Mace Windu, Darth Maul, Count Dooku, and Jango Fett. To a degree they have become part of pop culture. Whereas characters like Finn, Hux, Phasma, Rose, and Holdo are considered to have been wasted by the creators or actively disliked. And yes, the PT has Jar Jar Binks, but the main point here is that the ST doesn't have any character that has reached the heights ones from the PT have.
That said, I do maintain the possibility that the ST and its character may develop a "legacy" as time passes, but for now I find that it has been pushed to the sidelines of the fandom.
In the end George Lucas was an idea man. Even when the execution of these ideas were flawed, the idea itself stuck with the audience. Lucas could have used some help with dialogue. At times some of his ideas needed to be reigned in. But in the end, it was a vision.
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I would add that there are very few moments of the sequel trilogy that I would call great. The Prequels certainly had their low points, but they also had some really high points as well. The Podrace, the Duel with Darth Maul, Order 66, the Duel on Mustafar, just to name a few. Even At their best, the ST never had any moment rising above those moments in the prequels.
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Post by dazz on Apr 4, 2021 19:20:34 GMT
Yes. For all of the faults with the prequels it was a coherent vision. The sequel trilogy was a product by a bunch of people who could not agree on where the story should go. Also, none of the characters of the ST have left as much of an impact as ones from the prequels. There is genuine interest in characters like Mace Windu, Darth Maul, Count Dooku, and Jango Fett. To a degree they have become part of pop culture. Whereas characters like Finn, Hux, Phasma, Rose, and Holdo are considered to have been wasted by the creators or actively disliked. And yes, the PT has Jar Jar Binks, but the main point here is that the ST doesn't have any character that has reached the heights ones from the PT have. That said, I do maintain the possibility that the ST and its character may develop a "legacy" as time passes, but for now I find that it has been pushed to the sidelines of the fandom. In the end George Lucas was an idea man. Even when the execution of these ideas were flawed, the idea itself stuck with the audience. Lucas could have used some help with dialogue. At times some of his ideas needed to be reigned in. But in the end, it was a vision. Except they weren't interesting until Lucasfilm expanded on them in the animated series, plus they are going on 16-22 years in pop culture, compared to what at best 5? not really a fair comparison in the slightest, also who gives a shit about Jango? And all those characters you named were talked about the exact same way, Lucas wasted them in the movies, hence they needed to be made interesting via the TV show. Also SW TV has done this exact same thing now as it did with the PT, people do care about those characters, sure the ST characters not so much but the overall Disney SW characters are interesting, also I don't know too many people who care about Jango tbh, Boba sure but Jango? eh he hardly ever gets mentioned from my interactions with people and stuff.
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Post by jammer81386 on Apr 4, 2021 21:14:10 GMT
Yes. For all of the faults with the prequels it was a coherent vision. The sequel trilogy was a product by a bunch of people who could not agree on where the story should go. Also, none of the characters of the ST have left as much of an impact as ones from the prequels. There is genuine interest in characters like Mace Windu, Darth Maul, Count Dooku, and Jango Fett. To a degree they have become part of pop culture. Whereas characters like Finn, Hux, Phasma, Rose, and Holdo are considered to have been wasted by the creators or actively disliked. And yes, the PT has Jar Jar Binks, but the main point here is that the ST doesn't have any character that has reached the heights ones from the PT have. That said, I do maintain the possibility that the ST and its character may develop a "legacy" as time passes, but for now I find that it has been pushed to the sidelines of the fandom. In the end George Lucas was an idea man. Even when the execution of these ideas were flawed, the idea itself stuck with the audience. Lucas could have used some help with dialogue. At times some of his ideas needed to be reigned in. But in the end, it was a vision. Except they weren't interesting until Lucasfilm expanded on them in the animated series, plus they are going on 16-22 years in pop culture, compared to what at best 5? not really a fair comparison in the slightest, also who gives a shit about Jango? And all those characters you named were talked about the exact same way, Lucas wasted them in the movies, hence they needed to be made interesting via the TV show. Also SW TV has done this exact same thing now as it did with the PT, people do care about those characters, sure the ST characters not so much but the overall Disney SW characters are interesting, also I don't know too many people who care about Jango tbh, Boba sure but Jango? eh he hardly ever gets mentioned from my interactions with people and stuff. I stated in my previous post that the ST characters may develop a legacy as time goes on. But from what I have seen thus far, the ST era is falling by the wayside. The PT characters I mentioned were not wasted, they served a purpose within the story. Windu & Dooku both displayed how the Jedi Order had lost its way and their deaths were pivotal moments in Anakin's turn to the dark side. Darth Maul revealed the presence of the Sith and killed the only Jedi Master that could properly train Anakin. He was so popular that they resurrected him for the clone wars series. Jango fett was popular enough to get his own video game years before the release of the Clone Wars series. Whereas Finn is quite literally just along for the ride in TROS, Rose is nearly sidelined completely, and Hux is unceremoniously killed off and replaced with the near identical General Pryde.
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Post by dazz on Apr 5, 2021 4:42:55 GMT
Except they weren't interesting until Lucasfilm expanded on them in the animated series, plus they are going on 16-22 years in pop culture, compared to what at best 5? not really a fair comparison in the slightest, also who gives a shit about Jango? And all those characters you named were talked about the exact same way, Lucas wasted them in the movies, hence they needed to be made interesting via the TV show. Also SW TV has done this exact same thing now as it did with the PT, people do care about those characters, sure the ST characters not so much but the overall Disney SW characters are interesting, also I don't know too many people who care about Jango tbh, Boba sure but Jango? eh he hardly ever gets mentioned from my interactions with people and stuff. I stated in my previous post that the ST characters may develop a legacy as time goes on. But from what I have seen thus far, the ST era is falling by the wayside. The PT characters I mentioned were not wasted, they served a purpose within the story. Windu & Dooku both displayed how the Jedi Order had lost its way and their deaths were pivotal moments in Anakin's turn to the dark side. Darth Maul revealed the presence of the Sith and killed the only Jedi Master that could properly train Anakin. He was so popular that they resurrected him for the clone wars series. Jango fett was popular enough to get his own video game years before the release of the Clone Wars series. Whereas Finn is quite literally just along for the ride in TROS, Rose is nearly sidelined completely, and Hux is unceremoniously killed off and replaced with the near identical General Pryde. They yes but thats it what purpose does Windu serve in Eps 1 or 2? nothing he's just another member of the council, it's only in his 3rd film does he have any real function and even then not one that makes him interesting or memorable, the most interesting thing about Mace Windu in the PT is he has a purple mother fucking lightsabre thats it, Jango is not interesting, Dooku isn't, Maul's interesting due to his look but nothing he does in the movie makes him so, he's just another Boba Fett cool design but no character to speak of. And yes Finn may serve no purpose in one of the films, well 2 in TLJ he has no real function he's thrown into a pointless sidequest just for shits ang giggles, but in TFA he has a purpose, so he's no different than Windu in that regard really so it's a very meaningless point to make. And they were wasted due to not being interesting in the movies, not they served no function to the plot, everything interesting about the characters you name comes from EU shit filling in the utter abyss that is their character biographies that their movie appearances did nothing to fill in, that or their character is fleshed out in the Clone Wars series, again not the movies.
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Post by Winter_King on Apr 5, 2021 14:25:30 GMT
Yes. He had a great vision, but clearly needed help executing it.
Still I vastly prefer the PT to the ST even though I'll be the first to recognize that the ST has better dialogue, acting and visual effects but at least the PT knows what is trying to do.
Of all things Disney Star Wars, The Mandalorian is really the only thing I'm invested in.
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Post by shinnickneth on Apr 5, 2021 21:41:54 GMT
Yes. For all of the faults with the prequels it was a coherent vision. The sequel trilogy was a product by a bunch of people who could not agree on where the story should go. Also, none of the characters of the ST have left as much of an impact as ones from the prequels. There is genuine interest in characters like Mace Windu, Darth Maul, Count Dooku, and Jango Fett. To a degree they have become part of pop culture. Whereas characters like Finn, Hux, Phasma, Rose, and Holdo are considered to have been wasted by the creators or actively disliked. And yes, the PT has Jar Jar Binks, but the main point here is that the ST doesn't have any character that has reached the heights ones from the PT have. That said, I do maintain the possibility that the ST and its character may develop a "legacy" as time passes, but for now I find that it has been pushed to the sidelines of the fandom. In the end George Lucas was an idea man. Even when the execution of these ideas were flawed, the idea itself stuck with the audience. Lucas could have used some help with dialogue. At times some of his ideas needed to be reigned in. But in the end, it was a vision. (Edit edd) I would add that there are very few moments of the sequel trilogy that I would call great. The Prequels certainly had their low points, but they also had some really high points as well. The Podrace, the Duel with Darth Maul, Order 66, the Duel on Mustafar, just to name a few. Even At their best, the ST never had any moment rising above those moments in the prequels. Agreed. I also can't really recall much dialogue from the DT (I still haven't bothered with Episode 9 after abysmal 8). It just isn't memorable. Meanwhile, the OT and PT are loaded with dialogue that's part of pop culture. The words are endearing and fun to say/write. I'll say The Mandalorian succeeded on that level too. Lots of great dialogue and fun moments.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Apr 9, 2021 22:30:28 GMT
Yes, yet only until he wrapped his prequels. I would not have wanted GL around for future installments, though Disney surely could've let him in on more of its story building.
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Post by DarkManX on Apr 9, 2021 23:44:56 GMT
It's hard to say. If Lucas had held onto the movies I doubt he would have made sequels. He probably would have continued to butcher the original trilogy until it was completely unrecognizable. But the Sequel Trilogy is awful and Disney only cares about making a quick buck and making sure they don't offend anyone in the process.
I like the Mandalorian, the only good thing to come out of Disney Star Wars, but I think Star Wars should have just been left alone.
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Post by TutuAnimationPrincess on Apr 10, 2021 1:50:38 GMT
George Lucas at the very least needs to always be involved in a writing capacity. The prequels show that he definitely shouldn't have total control, but he's a great idea man at the very least. The biggest problem with the sequel trilogy was no coherent vision or plan.
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Post by poutinep on Apr 10, 2021 22:09:32 GMT
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Post by GiantFan1980 on Apr 10, 2021 22:30:42 GMT
I have to say yes.
George Vs Disney
George: 6 movies on his watch. 3 were great, and the other 3 were mediocre, slightly above, slightly below mediocre depending on the time of day.
Disney: 5 movies on their watch. Rogue One was great, Solo was forgettable, EP 7 was slightly above mediocre and 8+9 were terrible and actually elevated the prequels in quality.
I was a huge Star Wars fan and always wondered about what happened before the original trilogy and what happens next. But nowadays, I feel like Star Wars, the original trilogy was a good example of "they all lived happily ever after" and they should of left it at that.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Apr 12, 2021 2:21:29 GMT
8+9 were terrible and actually elevated the prequels in quality. 
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Post by GiantFan1980 on Apr 12, 2021 6:22:57 GMT
8+9 were terrible and actually elevated the prequels in quality. George's other great creation: American Graffiti. Also I feel Willow doesn't get enough love these days. Can't remember the last time it was on TV honestly.
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Post by dwightmachinehead on Apr 14, 2021 18:13:04 GMT
As flawed and goofy as his movies could be, I'd watch them over any of the Disney movies. The Disney movies bring nothing new to the table and are too politically charged.
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