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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Apr 6, 2021 17:01:04 GMT
I remember seeing this in the theater, rooting for D-Fens, cheering equally when he goes apeshit at the fast food place and when he encounters the neo-Nazi at his shop. But I think this is an example of a movie that hasn’t aged well. Sure, it’s probably most people’s fantasy to be that kind of guy when things aren’t going your way, the chaotic good vigilante character. In the context of 2021 he now just seems like a Karen with a gun. Robert Duvall, who is always a good actor, is so unlikeable to me in this. I hated his character. Rachel Ticotin was the only character that was likeable. I don’t know why I randomly thought of this movie today, haven’t seen it in a while. It’s in that Face/Off category of movies that I liked much more during my initial viewing than I do today.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2021 17:05:48 GMT
No.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Apr 6, 2021 17:18:33 GMT
One of my favorites Own it Love it. Give it a watch at least once a year
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 6, 2021 17:19:43 GMT
It's hilarious. I've never been able to figure out how seriously we were supposed to take it. I see it as somewhere between a generic action flick and a black comedy. It made a genuine attempt at emotional beats here and there, particularly the ending, which was strange. The rest of it was a hoot. It's like somebody made a list of things that annoyed them and then wrote a script around it.
"Why am I calling you by your first names, I don't even know who you are. I still call my boss mister, I've worked for him for 7 1/2 years. I walk in here, all of the sudden I'm a total stranger and I'm calling you Rick and Sheila like we're in some kind of AA meeting..."
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Post by Rufus-T on Apr 6, 2021 17:22:59 GMT
Love it
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Post by wonderburstanger on Apr 6, 2021 17:27:02 GMT
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 6, 2021 17:27:27 GMT
This entire scene is the movie in a nutshell. Are we supposed to laugh? Are we rooting for him or are we afraid of him? Is he the hero, the villain or the anti-hero? No idea. The old guy tries to sneak out, the lady spits her food out, Ms. Fulsom. It's funny, but not funny at the same time. It's such a crazy flick.
It probably hasn't aged well because it seemed more like ridiculous fantasy 30 years ago; today this scene probably happens five times a year in real life, except in real life he kills half of the restaurant.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Apr 6, 2021 17:27:41 GMT
One of my favorites Own it Love it. Give it a watch at least once a year
Also has one of the most iconic(hysterical) scenes in movie history -
Here’s the thing about that scene. It’s funny in a dark humor kind of way. Everyone has at some point received shitty customer service from some retail place. But if this story was on CNN or something - “Disturbed man pulls gun on fast food employees in response to poor customer service”. What would the reaction be? Gun reform needed, better background checks, fuck Trump, etc. Like Rey said, someone standing in a long line could have written this. |
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Post by DrKrippen on Apr 6, 2021 17:30:31 GMT
I remember seeing this in the theater, rooting for D-Fens, cheering equally when he goes apeshit at the fast food place and when he encounters the neo-Nazi at his shop. But I think this is an example of a movie that hasn’t aged well. Sure, it’s probably most people’s fantasy to be that kind of guy when things aren’t going your way, the chaotic good vigilante character. In the context of 2021 he now just seems like a Karen with a gun. Robert Duvall, who is always a good actor, is so unlikeable to me in this. I hated his character. Rachel Ticotin was the only character that was likeable. I don’t know why I randomly thought of this movie today, haven’t seen it in a while. It’s in that Face/Off category of movies that I liked much more during my initial viewing than I do today. That place he smashes up? I had coffee there more than a few times. Wanted to smash it up myself. The customers, I guess that included me, were sketchy.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Apr 6, 2021 17:49:23 GMT
Here’s the thing about that scene. It’s funny in a dark humor kind of way. Everyone has at some point received shitty customer service from some retail place. But if this story was on CNN or something - “Disturbed man pulls gun on fast food employees in response to poor customer service”. What would the reaction be? Gun reform needed, better background checks, fuck Trump, etc. Like Rey said, someone standing in a long line could have written this. My reaction would be (without knowing his backstory) - he was a deranged lunatic that needed help
I've actually seen this happen to a lot of middle aged people in my industry - i.e. - loss of family, loss of career
Now of course it does not condone an individual going completely off his rocker; however this is a movie and I felt a sense of compassion for his character
He was a broken man who had lost everything
I loved the ending. 'I'm the bad guy'?
Well - yes you are the bad guy for the way you chose to deal with the situation - but being how broken he was - you (at least I) felt a sense of compassion for him.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Apr 6, 2021 17:57:24 GMT
Yessir.
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Post by tristramshandy on Apr 6, 2021 17:59:59 GMT
I graduated college in 1993 and for my senior sociological seminar class, I wrote my term paper on white male aggrievement. It was a full year class and the movie came out in late February of 1993, approximately two months before we graduated. I was excited that I was onto something but angry that it hadn't come out six months later - - I didn't want people to think I was piggybacking off of it. Anyway, even in 1993, "toxic masculinity" without calling it "toxic masculinity" was being discussed. The reaction even then was more 2021 than it was Death Wish.  |
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Post by Carl LaFong on Apr 6, 2021 18:01:36 GMT
Yes, good black comedy.
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Post by bluerisk on Apr 6, 2021 18:02:11 GMT
Yes.
I like Mrs. Folsom.
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Apr 6, 2021 18:05:09 GMT
It basically shows what Curb's Larry would do without the back up of vast wealth...
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Apr 6, 2021 18:08:55 GMT
I graduated college in 1993 and for my senior sociological seminar class, I wrote my term paper on white male aggrievement. It was a full year class and the movie came out in late February of 1993, approximately two months before we graduated. I was excited that I was onto something but angry that it hadn't come out six months later - - I didn't want people to think I was piggybacking off of it. Anyway, even in 1993, "toxic masculinity" without calling it "toxic masculinity" was being discussed. The reaction even then was more 2021 than it was Death Wish. As an aside I love the small headline in the upper right corner juxtaposed with this image - “Just for kids. Save the Earth!” |
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Post by tristramshandy on Apr 6, 2021 18:13:01 GMT
I graduated college in 1993 and for my senior sociological seminar class, I wrote my term paper on white male aggrievement. It was a full year class and the movie came out in late February of 1993, approximately two months before we graduated. I was excited that I was onto something but angry that it hadn't come out six months later - - I didn't want people to think I was piggybacking off of it. Anyway, even in 1993, "toxic masculinity" without calling it "toxic masculinity" was being discussed. The reaction even then was more 2021 than it was Death Wish. As an aside I love the small headline in the upper right corner juxtaposed with this image - “Just for kids. Save the Earth!” Ha ha - - I thought exactly the same thing. "Hey kids, this magazine with a big white murderously angry man staring at you has something for you too!"
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Post by Rufus-T on Apr 6, 2021 18:13:49 GMT
I graduated college in 1993 and for my senior sociological seminar class, I wrote my term paper on white male aggrievement. It was a full year class and the movie came out in late February of 1993, approximately two months before we graduated. I was excited that I was onto something but angry that it hadn't come out six months later - - I didn't want people to think I was piggybacking off of it. Anyway, even in 1993, "toxic masculinity" without calling it "toxic masculinity" was being discussed. The reaction even then was more 2021 than it was Death Wish. The white male aggrievement thing can lead all the way back to Taxi Driver.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 6, 2021 18:55:20 GMT
As an aside I love the small headline in the upper right corner juxtaposed with this image - “Just for kids. Save the Earth!” Ha ha - - I thought exactly the same thing. "Hey kids, this magazine with a big white murderously angry man staring at you has something for you too!" I thought the comedy came from the idea that Saving the Earth was a silly little project the kids could work on.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2021 19:17:52 GMT
One of my favorites Own it Love it. Give it a watch at least once a year
Also has one of the most iconic(hysterical) scenes in movie history -
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