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Post by Power Ranger on Apr 11, 2021 12:50:26 GMT
She liked the world when it was borderless and human mobility was unlimited. She doesn’t believe in the sovereignty of nations. I'm aware of that. She also said what I posted earlier. It's wrong. And unrestricted immigration is wrong as well.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 21, 2021 18:09:25 GMT
Their beef was that it was more of a sense of community worldwide after the blip. The world was more like the Federation in Star Trek. Was probably because a lot of the world leaders was blipped out and returned after. Making it like it was before. Karli says they (the authorities) care more about those who came back than those who never left. They didn't leave, they were effectively killed by Thanos. It's unbelievably selfish of her to make that statement, whatever she claims her cause is. Her argument is literally, "It was better without the billions who were lost." Not a good take in my book. The show is using the blip as a metaphor for social inequality but it's an analogy that doesn't quite work. I love the show, don't get me wrong. But she was operating in a morally gray area at best even before she starting killing people. When the people were blipped, they opened the borders. Like I said before, it was more of a worldwide community. She said it was better in hindsight. Everything closed back up and the people that were there those 5 years were pushed to the side. She's not saying what Thanos did was good, but that people became a-holes afterwards. Case in point, they were supposed to get supplies, but the government was keeping it to themselves. The show takes place 6 months after the blip and they had 6 months worth of supplies sitting there. Going back to my Star Trek analogy, she wants it to be one nation like it was before. The name Flag Smashers comes from them wanting to make it that one nation.
She upped the ante by bombing that place because she felt that no one was taking them seriously. At 1st she was trying to be a Robin Hood-like figure. The bombing took her to being a terrorist to people she's not directly helping.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 21, 2021 18:11:21 GMT
He absolutely looks like Kurt. I didn't really notice it (wasn't looking) until he was talking to Lemar at that table in ep4. I don't see it. I see the guy from UP. The scene in ep5, he absolutely looks and sounds like Kurt Russell. You really hear it when he's yelling. He looks like Kurt from Star Gate with the beret.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 21, 2021 18:32:50 GMT
Karli says they (the authorities) care more about those who came back than those who never left. They didn't leave, they were effectively killed by Thanos. It's unbelievably selfish of her to make that statement, whatever she claims her cause is. Her argument is literally, "It was better without the billions who were lost." Not a good take in my book. The show is using the blip as a metaphor for social inequality but it's an analogy that doesn't quite work. I love the show, don't get me wrong. But she was operating in a morally gray area at best even before she starting killing people. When the people were blipped, they opened the borders. Like I said before, it was more of a worldwide community. She said it was better in hindsight. Everything closed back up and the people that were there those 5 years were pushed to the side. She's not saying what Thanos did was good, but that people became a-holes afterwards. Case in point, they were supposed to get supplies, but the government was keeping it to themselves. The show takes place 6 months after the blip and they had 6 months worth of supplies sitting there. Going back to my Star Trek analogy, she wants it to be one nation like it was before. The name Flag Smashers comes from them wanting to make it that one nation.
She upped the ante by bombing that place because she felt that no one was taking them seriously. At 1st she was trying to be a Robin Hood-like figure. The bombing took her to being a terrorist to people she's not directly helping.
You keep explaining the plot to me as if I don't understand. I know what's going on. Her heart is in the right place, but her outlook is too narrow. To say the world governments are treating victims of the blip better than 'those who never left' is petty and a complete misrepresentation of what happened. It's just another example of how her tunnel vision is leading her down the wrong path. Was the world actually better off? We only have the word of a zealot who has resorted to increasingly violent means to reach her end. The moral ambiguity displayed by every character on this show is what makes it such a great watch, Karli is no different.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 22, 2021 0:31:01 GMT
When the people were blipped, they opened the borders. Like I said before, it was more of a worldwide community. She said it was better in hindsight. Everything closed back up and the people that were there those 5 years were pushed to the side. She's not saying what Thanos did was good, but that people became a-holes afterwards. Case in point, they were supposed to get supplies, but the government was keeping it to themselves. The show takes place 6 months after the blip and they had 6 months worth of supplies sitting there. Going back to my Star Trek analogy, she wants it to be one nation like it was before. The name Flag Smashers comes from them wanting to make it that one nation.
She upped the ante by bombing that place because she felt that no one was taking them seriously. At 1st she was trying to be a Robin Hood-like figure. The bombing took her to being a terrorist to people she's not directly helping.
You keep explaining the plot to me as if I don't understand. I know what's going on. Her heart is in the right place, but her outlook is too narrow. To say the world governments are treating victims of the blip better than 'those who never left' is petty and a complete misrepresentation of what happened. It's just another example of how her tunnel vision is leading her down the wrong path. Was the world actually better off? We only have the word of a zealot who has resorted to increasingly violent means to reach her end. The moral ambiguity displayed by every character on this show is what makes it such a great watch, Karli is no different. I keep explaining the plot because you aren't getting it. The world might have been better in hindsight. It might have been crap while they were in the 5 years, but now that the governments have bordered up again, they see that the community aspect is gone. People came together during the blip, but now it's business as usual. But at the same time, it might be the governments trying to help the blipped get back to their lives at the expense of the people that lived the 5 years. And they are also holding back aid.
And thinking about the serum and what it does to someone. It looks like it turns the person into a wall. It takes that one major aspect of a person and heightens it. People comment on how Steve is the same throughout the MCU. He never really changes. He just gains experience with age. Walker becomes more of that guy trying to prove himself because of his demons.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 22, 2021 11:57:10 GMT
You keep explaining the plot to me as if I don't understand. I know what's going on. Her heart is in the right place, but her outlook is too narrow. To say the world governments are treating victims of the blip better than 'those who never left' is petty and a complete misrepresentation of what happened. It's just another example of how her tunnel vision is leading her down the wrong path. Was the world actually better off? We only have the word of a zealot who has resorted to increasingly violent means to reach her end. The moral ambiguity displayed by every character on this show is what makes it such a great watch, Karli is no different. I keep explaining the plot because you aren't getting it. The world might have been better in hindsight. It might have been crap while they were in the 5 years, but now that the governments have bordered up again, they see that the community aspect is gone. People came together during the blip, but now it's business as usual. But at the same time, it might be the governments trying to help the blipped get back to their lives at the expense of the people that lived the 5 years. And they are also holding back aid.
And thinking about the serum and what it does to someone. It looks like it turns the person into a wall. It takes that one major aspect of a person and heightens it. People comment on how Steve is the same throughout the MCU. He never really changes. He just gains experience with age. Walker becomes more of that guy trying to prove himself because of his demons.
Figure it out genius, I disagree with your take. Explaining it over and over isn't going to change my mind.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2021 12:21:02 GMT
Their beef was that it was more of a sense of community worldwide after the blip. The world was more like the Federation in Star Trek. Was probably because a lot of the world leaders was blipped out and returned after. Making it like it was before. Karli says they (the authorities) care more about those who came back than those who never left. They didn't leave, they were effectively killed by Thanos. It's unbelievably selfish of her to make that statement, whatever she claims her cause is. Her argument is literally, "It was better without the billions who were lost." Not a good take in my book. The show is using the blip as a metaphor for social inequality but it's an analogy that doesn't quite work. I love the show, don't get me wrong. But she was operating in a morally gray area at best even before she starting killing people. Exactly, it doesnt matter what the world was like before. No excuse to suddenly start killing people. She didnt have to do that, wasnt even self defense. It was a conscious, sober choice. One of her followers also questioned her about it
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 22, 2021 12:41:47 GMT
Karli says they (the authorities) care more about those who came back than those who never left. They didn't leave, they were effectively killed by Thanos. It's unbelievably selfish of her to make that statement, whatever she claims her cause is. Her argument is literally, "It was better without the billions who were lost." Not a good take in my book. The show is using the blip as a metaphor for social inequality but it's an analogy that doesn't quite work. I love the show, don't get me wrong. But she was operating in a morally gray area at best even before she starting killing people. Exactly, it doesnt matter what the world was like before. No excuse to suddenly start killing people. She didnt have to do that, wasnt even self defense. It was a conscious, sober choice. One of her followers also questioned her about it And I think everyone watching the show understands the plot just fine. For some of these people, the world was better during the blip because they suddenly had job and housing opportunities that otherwise wouldn't have existed. Those opportunities disappeared when the blipped people returned, which left these refugees (they don't want to be called refugees, but that's what they are) out in the lurch. And the aid being withheld would be infuriating to anyone in that situation. (And we can debate the morality of a government or organization withholding resources for their own people at the expense of others-- which is the fabric of the social commentary of this show-- but that practice is as old as civilization.) I understand her motivation perfectly well. I just think she needs to broaden her perspective. Sam went through the same thing at the bank, and his response wasn't to blow up the bank, was it? Karli is wrong. The blip was always going to be an impossible logistical nightmare for world governments to deal with, and somebody unfortunately is going to get the short end. But there are ways of getting your point across that don't include bombing buildings and killing indiscriminately. This is why Sam says he agrees with her fight, but not the way she's doing it. It's in the subtext as well as the text of this show, and as in the real world, the problems facing this world and these characters won't be resolved by the end of this series. This show is opening a new chapter, not closing the book.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 29, 2021 12:55:28 GMT
I keep explaining the plot because you aren't getting it. The world might have been better in hindsight. It might have been crap while they were in the 5 years, but now that the governments have bordered up again, they see that the community aspect is gone. People came together during the blip, but now it's business as usual. But at the same time, it might be the governments trying to help the blipped get back to their lives at the expense of the people that lived the 5 years. And they are also holding back aid.
And thinking about the serum and what it does to someone. It looks like it turns the person into a wall. It takes that one major aspect of a person and heightens it. People comment on how Steve is the same throughout the MCU. He never really changes. He just gains experience with age. Walker becomes more of that guy trying to prove himself because of his demons.
Figure it out genius, I disagree with your take. Explaining it over and over isn't going to change my mind. My take? It's what happened in the show. lol
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 29, 2021 13:23:26 GMT
Figure it out genius, I disagree with your take. Explaining it over and over isn't going to change my mind. My take? It's what happened in the show. lol It's been proven that understood the show better than you did. lol
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