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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2021 23:00:34 GMT
I rewatched this on HBO Max today.
This is one of those 2 hours and 34 minute films that could have been cut to like 1 hour 45 minutes or so. It drags in parts.
I don’t mind a film being 2 hours and 34 minutes, if it needs to be. But I think they were trying to make it an Epic, with a thin plot. So they drag it out for the sake of making it longer.
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That being said, there is a lot to LOVE about this movie.
A) Superman SAVES everyone. The Earthquake caused by the growing Kryptonite continent has a sequence where Superman is putting out fires, grabbing people falling off buildings, grabbing signs from falling on people, using his heat vision to melt the glass from hitting bystanders etc...
B) The space shuttle / airplane rescue sequence.
C) Routh may have the best portrayal of Clark Kent I’ve ever seen.
D) I like traditional Perry and Jimmy Olsen.
E) The original John Williams score and opening credits as well as a nice cinematography.
F) The city of Metropolis looks clean and angular. The Daily Planet is amazing. The business suits and people on the streets. Just the entire sets look perfect and really beautiful to look at.
G) Kevin Spacey as Lex is perfect casting. I just wish he had a different plan other than land again. Maybe make him more of a mastermind. But Kevin as Lex is amazing. Parker Posey as his side kick is perfect.
H) I like the idea that Superman leaves for 5 years and has to deal with the world after they have moved on without him. Lois with a fiancé and son. Instead of the same old Lois pining for Superman. It gave it an extra dimension. “Why the World Doesn’t Need Superman”. It’s a great idea for a Superman film that is supposed to be a continuation of the Donnerverse.
Is”Superman Returns” the first film EVER to pretend sequels in a franchise don’t exist and become a different sequel?
Original Timeline: Superman Superman II Superman III Superman IV
This Timeline: Superman Superman II Superman Returns
Cutting out III and IV as if they didn’t exist.
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Post by ck100 on Apr 9, 2021 0:12:45 GMT
I've only seen it once. I remember feeling it's better than 3 and 4, but certainly not as good as 1 and 2. The movie suffers from overlength, a miscast Kate Bosworth, Routh being a bland Superman (his Clark Kent is better), and the movie being too much of a valentine to the Donner Superman movie. Spacey is a good Lex Luthor though. More villainous than Hackman.
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Post by politicidal on Apr 9, 2021 0:28:10 GMT
Used to really hate it but I'm more lukewarm towards it now. Never was a fan of Brandon Routh's incarnation. Sure he's a dead ringer for Christopher Reeve but that's about it. Kate Bosworth was far too young for Lois Lane. Saying it again, they should had gone with James Marsden and Parker Posey-who were right fucking there.
Kevin Spacey was pitch perfect casting at the time. I did like him the most out of the main cast along with Parker Posey. It's too bad that his plan is stupid and just a rehash of the equally stupid real estate schemes from the Donner-Lester era.
Agreed that it's far too long, you could easily cut thirty minutes and lose nothing. Again, I agree with the supporting cast and the visual style. It has this slight retro vibe that reminds me of the Bruce Timm series.
The main problem I have with it is a lack of action. The rescue scene is a highlight though and I did like the money shot where the bullet just flattens itself on his eyeball.
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Post by MCDemuth on Apr 9, 2021 0:31:11 GMT
Is ”Superman Returns” the first film EVER to pretend sequels in a franchise don’t exist and become a different sequel? No... "Halloween H20: 20 Years Later" did that in the "Halloween" franchise in 1998... There may have been other films before that, but I am not aware of those...
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Post by MCDemuth on Apr 9, 2021 0:34:01 GMT
As for this movie...
It had it's moments... But much of the film was rather boring...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2021 9:48:08 GMT
I've only seen it once. I remember feeling it's better than 3 and 4, but certainly not as good as 1 and 2. The movie suffers from overlength, a miscast Kate Bosworth, Routh being a bland Superman (his Clark Kent is better), and the movie being too much of a valentine to the Donner Superman movie. Spacey is a good Lex Luthor though. More villainous than Hackman. I agree. My biggest gripe is Bosworth. She looks like an intern at the Daily Planet, not a seasoned Pulitzer Prize winning journalist. It’s 5 years after the events of “Superman II” she should be like 38-40 years old. I actually think if they would have given Lex a better plot, Spacey would have been the perfect Lex Luthor. As far as Routh goes, he’s not convincing as Superman. His Kent is dead on. Surprisingly, I believe his Clark Kent is better than Reeve. But Reeve was so much better at being believable as Superman and Clark. Finally, the length. I agree, this film should have been cut down to 2 hours at least. Maybe 1 hour and 50 minutes or so.
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