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Post by Admin on Apr 11, 2021 1:03:26 GMT
You don't consider an 18-year-old an adult? Nope. People mature in different ways and at different times. I think in general most 18-year-olds are still kids and vulnerable to predatory adults. It's legal though, so not my business, unless it's my kid. Good example of something that's legal but not necessarily moral. Thanks.
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Post by autumn on Apr 11, 2021 1:52:28 GMT
Nope. Morals refer to principles. Ethics refer to actions. The moral man knows he shouldn't date a teenager. The ethical man actually won't do it. As far as legality, that just refers to the date for which a person reaches the age of adulthood in that particular state, by law, but not necessarily by maturation. Ethics are based on moral principles, and they both deal with individual perceptions of right and wrong and my dictionary gives the exact same definition for both, word for word. Or as a wise man once said, they are essentially the same thing. Most laws are based on moral principles as well, but I don't think I'm being unethical if I'm doing 41 in a 40 mph zone. To say that a moral man knows he shouldn't date a teenager is to say it's immoral for him to date a teenager. Are you prepared for a debate regarding moral objectivism? ,individuals%20or%20some%20authority.%20...%20More%20items...%20 A moral man realizes he's speeding when he's going over the speed limit. An ethical man would realize it and therefore refrain from doing so.
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Post by Admin on Apr 11, 2021 1:56:22 GMT
Ethics are based on moral principles, and they both deal with individual perceptions of right and wrong and my dictionary gives the exact same definition for both, word for word. Or as a wise man once said, they are essentially the same thing. Most laws are based on moral principles as well, but I don't think I'm being unethical if I'm doing 41 in a 40 mph zone. To say that a moral man knows he shouldn't date a teenager is to say it's immoral for him to date a teenager. Are you prepared for a debate regarding moral objectivism? ,individuals%20or%20some%20authority.%20...%20More%20items...%20 Yeah, they're essentially the same thing. As I said. Thanks.
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Post by autumn on Apr 11, 2021 2:10:54 GMT
Yeah, they're essentially the same thing. As I said. Thanks. Nope. One has to do with thought only. Awareness. The other has to do with conduct and actions based on that awareness. You could have morals and know you shouldn't speed, but do it anyway. This is where ethics comes in, and an ethical man would behave differently because the moral knowledge would stop him. Not the same thing at all.
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Post by Admin on Apr 11, 2021 2:20:37 GMT
Yeah, they're essentially the same thing. As I said. Thanks. Nope. One has to do with thought only. Awareness. The other has to do with conduct and actions based on that awareness. You could have morals and know you shouldn't speed, but do it anyway. This is where ethics comes in, and an ethical man would behave differently because the moral knowledge would stop him. Not the same thing at all. Those aren't slight and subtle differences. Hey, I've got a good one for ya: essentially ( adv): In essence; at bottom or by one's (or its) very nature synonyms: basically, fundamentally
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Post by autumn on Apr 11, 2021 2:26:34 GMT
Nope. One has to do with thought only. Awareness. The other has to do with conduct and actions based on that awareness. You could have morals and know you shouldn't speed, but do it anyway. This is where ethics comes in, and an ethical man would behave differently because the moral knowledge would stop him. Not the same thing at all. Those aren't slight and subtle differences. Hey, I've got a good one for ya: essentially ( adv): In essence; at bottom or by one's (or its) very nature synonyms: basically, fundamentally But they're not. It's like saying a song and dancing are the same thing. One is an intangible experience of feeling. Just the feeling and experience and acknowledgement of the music. Dancing on the other hand involves physical movement based on that song, and involves a choice to move about and make decisions on how to conduct yourself based on that music. One is "in essence" a thought experience. The other is "in practice" a physical act. One happens in the head only. The other happens in the body with the choices you make re: what to do.
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Post by Admin on Apr 11, 2021 2:28:07 GMT
Those aren't slight and subtle differences. Hey, I've got a good one for ya: essentially ( adv): In essence; at bottom or by one's (or its) very nature synonyms: basically, fundamentally But they're not. It's like saying a song and dancing are the same thing. One is an intangible experience of feeling. Just the feeling and experience and acknowledgement of the music. Dancing on the other hand involves physical movement based on that song, and involves a choice to move about and make decisions on how to conduct yourself based on that music. One is "in essence" a thought experience. The other is "in practice" a physical act. One happens in the head only. The other happens in the body with the choices you make re: what to do. Again, those aren't slight and subtle differences. Wait, are you saying the definition you provided is wrong?
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Post by autumn on Apr 11, 2021 2:29:43 GMT
But they're not. It's like saying a song and dancing are the same thing. One is an intangible experience of feeling. Just the feeling and experience and acknowledgement of the music. Dancing on the other hand involves physical movement based on that song, and involves a choice to move about and make decisions on how to conduct yourself based on that music. One is "in essence" a thought experience. The other is "in practice" a physical act. One happens in the head only. The other happens in the body with the choices you make re: what to do. Again, those aren't slight and subtle differences. Wait, are you saying the definition you provided is wrong? No. I'm saying the definition you provided is wrong. They are not essentially the same thing.
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Post by Admin on Apr 11, 2021 2:42:18 GMT
Again, those aren't slight and subtle differences. Wait, are you saying the definition you provided is wrong? No. I'm saying the definition you provided is wrong. They are not essentially the same thing. But your definition specifically states that there are slight and subtle differences between morals and ethics. Are you saying my definition of "essentially" is wrong as you negate your own? 
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Post by autumn on Apr 11, 2021 15:25:06 GMT
No. I'm saying the definition you provided is wrong. They are not essentially the same thing.But your definition specifically states that there are slight and subtle differences between morals and ethics. Are you saying my definition of "essentially" is wrong as you negate your own? No.
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Post by ᵗʰᵉᵃᵘˣᵖʰᵒᵘ on Apr 11, 2021 18:26:43 GMT
I’d do the sensible thing and at least wait to start courting her until she had finished school.
So, I’m thinking, like, after 3 p.m. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by Sarge on Apr 12, 2021 5:56:18 GMT
Follow the rules of your employment and any applicable laws, that's moral. No, that's legal. Morality is a different animal. I know what you mean but the phrasing could be twisted to seem like following the law isn't moral. Mores are products of culture, and culture changes. Your mores aren't right and mine aren't right, what we agree on as a society in the form of laws and rules is what's right. So in this case following the law and rules of employment is moral, anything else is a whim of pop culture.
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Post by someguy on Apr 12, 2021 11:08:09 GMT
I expect adults to be adults. I side-eye any 40-year-old banging an 18-year-old. You don't consider an 18-year-old an adult? 18 is an adult in the LEGAL sense, but as a 36 year old man, there is no way I would consider fucking an 18 year old. I don’t need fear of legal punishment, it would just feel wrong. |
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Post by movieliker on Apr 12, 2021 16:58:34 GMT
Let’s say you’re a teacher. You have a student who is 17 years old. You start to have feelings for each other. The student will turn 18 over the summer... Is it morally okay for you you wait for them to turn 18, call or text them. Meet up and start dating? On one hand, they are now 18 years old. A legal adult. On the other hand, you were their teacher. I would stay away from any kid under 18. If they can't wait, too bad. It ain't worth the potential consequences. Otherwise it depends on the rules of the school. |
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Post by Admin on Apr 12, 2021 23:20:29 GMT
Let’s say you’re a teacher. You have a student who is 17 years old. You start to have feelings for each other. The student will turn 18 over the summer... Is it morally okay for you you wait for them to turn 18, call or text them. Meet up and start dating? On one hand, they are now 18 years old. A legal adult. On the other hand, you were their teacher. I would stay away from any kid under 18. If they can't wait, too bad. It ain't worth the potential consequences. Otherwise it depends on the rules of the school. The rules of the school aren't what determines something to be "morally okay" or not.
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Post by movieliker on Apr 12, 2021 23:22:10 GMT
I would stay away from any kid under 18. If they can't wait, too bad. It ain't worth the potential consequences. Otherwise it depends on the rules of the school. The rules of the school aren't what determines something to be "morally okay" or not. No. But it determines what the school allows and doesn't. I don't want to get in trouble with my employer, or the law. |
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Post by Admin on Apr 12, 2021 23:28:37 GMT
The rules of the school aren't what determines something to be "morally okay" or not. No. But it determines what the school allows and doesn't. I don't want to get in trouble with my employer, or the law. Ok, but the question that you seemed to answer was, "It is morally okay?"
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Post by movieliker on Apr 12, 2021 23:35:55 GMT
No. But it determines what the school allows and doesn't. I don't want to get in trouble with my employer, or the law. Ok, but the question that you seemed to answer was, "It is morally okay?" That depends on the juvenile and the adult teacher. Some juveniles can handle a relationship with an adult. It happens more than we know. And it depends on the teacher. Do they have good intentions? Or are they a threat to young people? Some adults are. |
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Post by Admin on Apr 12, 2021 23:37:21 GMT
Ok, but the question that you seemed to answer was, "It is morally okay?" That depends on the juvenile and the adult teacher. Or in other words, not dependent on the rules of the school.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Apr 12, 2021 23:39:17 GMT
Sine I'm nearly 57, I'd probably do nothing
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