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Post by moviemouth on Apr 11, 2021 20:48:32 GMT
By sexual partners I do, by anyone else I don't. I don't hate it, but it usually makes me uncomfortable.
It also depends a lot on my mood.
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Post by moviemouth on Apr 11, 2021 20:53:52 GMT
I love it and its a love language to me too and I think its also a healing property for me. I never understood how people can Not like it. My explanation was that either they have to have issues with their own body or they are on the spectrum /facing a sensory overload. Not saying it is bad not enjoying touch. Just that for me its something hard to imagine. I have this also with swimming/being in water. Absolutely dont comprehend how someone could Not love that. For some reason Its easier for me to imagine someone not liking sex or food than touch or water I wonder how these likes/dislikes are formed in the brain. There are other reasons you are overlooking, the main one is someone who was molested or abused in the past. Anti-social people probably will dislike people touching them because they dislike people in general and people with OCD will have issues with being touched too, especially germaphobes. Then there is just some stuff that makes people uncomfortable for no clear reason. Also, someone who is unable to experience love will not get anything from it. That is more a response to you liking affection because it has to do with care and love. How these things are formed in the brain is a question that fascinates me. It can never be figured out to a high degree in many cases, because many times it is the series of events in your life that form your likes and dislikes.
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Post by Admin on Apr 11, 2021 21:12:16 GMT
Only in certain places. One in particular Your left nostril?
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Post by autumn on Apr 11, 2021 22:29:23 GMT
The character she was playing was an underage teenager, and her body's appearance and whether you found it pleasurable or exciting to look at is a completely irrelevant factor to a movie about a chess prodigy and her experience as an orphan and a savant in the cold war. I was not the only one who found your comments about her body, but the fact you made it your priority to discuss it in your "series review" rather unsettling, should tell you something. Don't forget your comments where you said you felt it was your duty to inform women about this. *shudder*Don't delude yourself. Only Vits agreed. And he and I disagree all the time. Of all the posters on that thread and board, nobody chimed in supporting you. Teenagers past puberty are very sexual. More so than adults over thirty. A 17 year old teenager is for all practical purposes an adult. And most teenage girls are very interested in romance and sex. And most love the attention of adult males. And unless they were victims of sexual abuse or assault, they love being seen as physically attractive. So don't project your paranoia on them. You need help. Your mother didn't raise you very well. You and men like you who think you not only have a right, but an obligation to, to objectify and dissect young women's bodies and feel a "duty" to tell them. The fact that you're a middle aged man commenting on what's supposed to be a teenager's body is creepy, no matter how you try to spin it. I can't imagine raising my son to think it's their "duty" to speak about women with such a crass and disrespectful attitude. There are ways to make women feel attractive. You feeling the right to access other women's bodies and discuss them is what leads (I'm telling you, not that you give a fuck, because you don't) to young women growing up with eating disorders, anorexia, bulimia, addiction to plastic surgery, promiscuity, lack of self-esteem,... Because men feel entitled dissect our bodies and tell us what's sexually appealing or ugly, attractive or not, good or bad, bangable or not. Like I said, your mother done fucked up with you, boy. You have no respect for women.
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Post by movieliker on Apr 11, 2021 23:21:17 GMT
Don't delude yourself. Only Vits agreed. And he and I disagree all the time. Of all the posters on that thread and board, nobody chimed in supporting you. Teenagers past puberty are very sexual. More so than adults over thirty. A 17 year old teenager is for all practical purposes an adult. And most teenage girls are very interested in romance and sex. And most love the attention of adult males. And unless they were victims of sexual abuse or assault, they love being seen as physically attractive. So don't project your paranoia on them. You need help. Your mother didn't raise you very well. You and men like you who think you not only have a right, but an obligation to, to objectify and dissect young women's bodies and feel a "duty" to tell them. The fact that you're a middle aged man commenting on what's supposed to be a teenager's body is creepy, no matter how you try to spin it. I can't imagine raising my son to think it's their "duty" to speak about women with such a crass and disrespectful attitude. There are ways to make women feel attractive. You feeling the right to access other women's bodies and discuss them is what leads (I'm telling you, not that you give a fuck, because you don't) to young women growing up with eating disorders, anorexia, bulimia, addiction to plastic surgery, promiscuity, lack of self-esteem,... Because men feel entitled dissect our bodies and tell us what's sexually appealing or ugly, attractive or not, good or bad, bangable or not. Like I said, your mother done fucked up with you, boy. You have no respect for women. You keep erroneously presuming things. Who said I ever thought it was my duty or obligation to share my personal opinions on appearance ?? I have been dating women ladies and girls for over 40 years. No female has ever told me I was disrespectful, mysogenistic, or chauvinistic. To the contrary, they say the opposite. You got it backwards. You are projecting. You are extremely insecure about your body and sexuality. You think every man is a wannabe rapist. And you assume every female is as insecure and vulnerable as you are. Are you a victim of sexual abuse or assault? Because many times victims of those things have a distorted view of male/female relations like you have. Let's see what the posters on this General Discussion board think. Look for the thread titled, "Is this misogynistic?" Feel free to post and vote.
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Post by autumn on Apr 12, 2021 0:02:07 GMT
Your mother didn't raise you very well. You and men like you who think you not only have a right, but an obligation to, to objectify and dissect young women's bodies and feel a "duty" to tell them. The fact that you're a middle aged man commenting on what's supposed to be a teenager's body is creepy, no matter how you try to spin it. I can't imagine raising my son to think it's their "duty" to speak about women with such a crass and disrespectful attitude. There are ways to make women feel attractive. You feeling the right to access other women's bodies and discuss them is what leads (I'm telling you, not that you give a fuck, because you don't) to young women growing up with eating disorders, anorexia, bulimia, addiction to plastic surgery, promiscuity, lack of self-esteem,... Because men feel entitled dissect our bodies and tell us what's sexually appealing or ugly, attractive or not, good or bad, bangable or not. Like I said, your mother done fucked up with you, boy. You have no respect for women. You keep erroneously presuming things. Who said I ever thought it was my duty or obligation to share my personal opinions on appearance ?? I have been dating women ladies and girls for over 40 years. No female has ever told me I was disrespectful, mysogenistic, or chauvinistic. To the contrary, they say the opposite. You got it backwards. You are projecting. You are extremely insecure about your body and sexuality. You think every man is a wannabe rapist. And you assume every female is as insecure and vulnerable as you are. Are you a victim of sexual abuse or assault? Because many times victims of those things have a distorted view of male/female relations like you have. Let's see what the posters on this General Discussion board think. Look for the thread titled, "Is this misogynistic?" Feel free to post and vote. I'm not doing this with you. I am speaking from the position of what attitudes and actions like yours do to young, developing girls down the road. Actions like yours have consequences on girls as they're growing up. Not all, but on many. You thinking it's no big deal that SOME women are going to grow up and be affected and develop severe mental and physical health problems is what's sick and disturbing. Talking with women you're dating is an entirely different matter, especially if you've mutually figured out what appeals to you both. But talking about the bodies of young women who are total strangers, and picking them apart is not your business. Anyone who has worked with women who have developed these issues know that they often started because of either personal trauma at home, and also from the constant objectification of women's bodies, be it by people like you or in the media. Don't pretend to know me or my feelings because you haven't the faintest idea who I am.
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Post by Admin on Apr 12, 2021 0:03:52 GMT
You keep erroneously presuming things. Who said I ever thought it was my duty or obligation to share my personal opinions on appearance ?? I have been dating women ladies and girls for over 40 years. No female has ever told me I was disrespectful, mysogenistic, or chauvinistic. To the contrary, they say the opposite. You got it backwards. You are projecting. You are extremely insecure about your body and sexuality. You think every man is a wannabe rapist. And you assume every female is as insecure and vulnerable as you are. Are you a victim of sexual abuse or assault? Because many times victims of those things have a distorted view of male/female relations like you have. Let's see what the posters on this General Discussion board think. Look for the thread titled, "Is this misogynistic?" Feel free to post and vote. I'm not doing this with you. I am speaking from the position of what attitudes and actions like yours do to young, developing girls down the road. Actions like yours have consequences on girls as they're growing up. Not all, but on many. You thinking it's no big deal that SOME women are going to grow up and be affected and develop severe mental and physical health problems is what's sick and disturbing. Anyone who has worked with women who have developed these issues know that they often started because of either personal trauma at home, and also from the constant objectification of women's bodies, be it by people like you or in the media. Don't pretend to know me or my feelings because you haven't the faintest idea who I am. What happens when objectification of women comes from women?
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Post by autumn on Apr 12, 2021 0:11:42 GMT
I'm not doing this with you. I am speaking from the position of what attitudes and actions like yours do to young, developing girls down the road. Actions like yours have consequences on girls as they're growing up. Not all, but on many. You thinking it's no big deal that SOME women are going to grow up and be affected and develop severe mental and physical health problems is what's sick and disturbing. Anyone who has worked with women who have developed these issues know that they often started because of either personal trauma at home, and also from the constant objectification of women's bodies, be it by people like you or in the media. Don't pretend to know me or my feelings because you haven't the faintest idea who I am. What happens when objectification of women comes from women? Sometimes, we're our own worse enemies.
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Post by movieliker on Apr 12, 2021 0:39:28 GMT
You keep erroneously presuming things. Who said I ever thought it was my duty or obligation to share my personal opinions on appearance ?? I have been dating women ladies and girls for over 40 years. No female has ever told me I was disrespectful, mysogenistic, or chauvinistic. To the contrary, they say the opposite. You got it backwards. You are projecting. You are extremely insecure about your body and sexuality. You think every man is a wannabe rapist. And you assume every female is as insecure and vulnerable as you are. Are you a victim of sexual abuse or assault? Because many times victims of those things have a distorted view of male/female relations like you have. Let's see what the posters on this General Discussion board think. Look for the thread titled, "Is this misogynistic?" Feel free to post and vote. I'm not doing this with you. I am speaking from the position of what attitudes and actions like yours do to young, developing girls down the road. Actions like yours have consequences on girls as they're growing up. Not all, but on many. You thinking it's no big deal that SOME women are going to grow up and be affected and develop severe mental and physical health problems is what's sick and disturbing. Talking with women you're dating is an entirely different matter, especially if you've mutually figured out what appeals to you both. But talking about the bodies of young women who are total strangers, and picking them apart is not your business. Anyone who has worked with women who have developed these issues know that they often started because of either personal trauma at home, and also from the constant objectification of women's bodies, be it by people like you or in the media. Don't pretend to know me or my feelings because you haven't the faintest idea who I am. What makes you think the only women I ever talk with are women I've dated? I have a mother, a step mother, sisters, cousins, non sexual or romantic female friends, co workers, teachers, customers, strangers, etc. I talk with everybody. And for a multitide of reasons, I don't date them all. You really don't know what you are talking about autumn. Sometimes it's better to just listen with open ears and an open mind, than pontificate pretending like you know everything. I'm still running the poll.
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Post by autumn on Apr 12, 2021 0:44:52 GMT
I'm not doing this with you. I am speaking from the position of what attitudes and actions like yours do to young, developing girls down the road. Actions like yours have consequences on girls as they're growing up. Not all, but on many. You thinking it's no big deal that SOME women are going to grow up and be affected and develop severe mental and physical health problems is what's sick and disturbing. Talking with women you're dating is an entirely different matter, especially if you've mutually figured out what appeals to you both. But talking about the bodies of young women who are total strangers, and picking them apart is not your business. Anyone who has worked with women who have developed these issues know that they often started because of either personal trauma at home, and also from the constant objectification of women's bodies, be it by people like you or in the media. Don't pretend to know me or my feelings because you haven't the faintest idea who I am. What makes you think the only women I ever talk with are women I've dated? I have a mother, a step mother, sisters, cousins, non sexual or romantic female friends, co workers, teachers, customers, strangers, etc. I talk with everybody. And for a multitide of reasons, I don't date them all. You really don't know what you are talking about autumn. Sometimes it's better to just listen with open ears and an open mind, than pontificate pretending like you know everything. I'm still running the poll. Do you talk to all of them about their bodies, and tell them if they have attractive bodies, and offer unsolicited information? I'm speaking within the specific context of your movie review. You brought up objectifying the body of what was to be a teenager's body, when it was irrelevant to the premise of a movie about a traumatized orphan who was a savant growing up to discover the game of chess during the cold war. Her sexual appeal and body is of no consequence, which is what makes your comments bizarre. It's the context of that specifically.
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Post by movieliker on Apr 12, 2021 0:52:00 GMT
What makes you think the only women I ever talk with are women I've dated? I have a mother, a step mother, sisters, cousins, non sexual or romantic female friends, co workers, teachers, customers, strangers, etc. I talk with everybody. And for a multitide of reasons, I don't date them all. You really don't know what you are talking about autumn. Sometimes it's better to just listen with open ears and an open mind, than pontificate pretending like you know everything. I'm still running the poll. 1) Do you talk to all of them about their bodies, and tell them if they have attractive bodies, and offer unsolicited information? 2) I'm speaking within the specific context of your movie review. 3) You brought up objectifying the body of what was to be a teenager's body, when it was irrelevant to the premise of a movie about a traumatized orphan who was a savant growing up to discover the game of chess during the cold war. Her sexual appeal and body is of no consequence, which is what makes your comments bizarre. 4) It's the context of that specifically. 1) Of course not. My review wasn't speaking to anybody specifically. 2) Then why ask what I talk about in face to face conversation? 3)That is what men do. 4) In that context it's completely appropriate.
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Post by autumn on Apr 12, 2021 1:18:34 GMT
1) Do you talk to all of them about their bodies, and tell them if they have attractive bodies, and offer unsolicited information? 2) I'm speaking within the specific context of your movie review. 3) You brought up objectifying the body of what was to be a teenager's body, when it was irrelevant to the premise of a movie about a traumatized orphan who was a savant growing up to discover the game of chess during the cold war. Her sexual appeal and body is of no consequence, which is what makes your comments bizarre. 4) It's the context of that specifically. 1) Of course not. My review wasn't speaking to anybody specifically. 2) Then why ask what I talk about in face to face conversation? 3)That is what men do. 4) In that context it's completely appropriate. The conversation kept evolving because I'm trying to explain to you that you, men who behave like you and feel like you have a right and duty to verbalize your judgement about women's bodies, has far-reaching effects. The fact that you have no empathy for the women whose lives are impacted is sickening. I'm trying to explain that a man with class wouldn't be delving into describing a would-be teenager's body in a movie review about chess. As our conversation continued (and and is exhaustingly going on in sufferance as you fail to grasp a sense of human decency) it evolved into me trying to explain what happens when men talk like you do to women. It has an affect, but you're just not aware or don't care. No empathy.
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Post by Nora on Apr 12, 2021 1:24:38 GMT
I love it and its a love language to me too and I think its also a healing property for me. I never understood how people can Not like it. My explanation was that either they have to have issues with their own body or they are on the spectrum /facing a sensory overload. Not saying it is bad not enjoying touch. Just that for me its something hard to imagine. I have this also with swimming/being in water. Absolutely dont comprehend how someone could Not love that. For some reason Its easier for me to imagine someone not liking sex or food than touch or water I wonder how these likes/dislikes are formed in the brain. There are other reasons you are overlooking, the main one is someone who was molested or abused in the past. Anti-social people probably will dislike people touching them because they dislike people in general and people with OCD will have issues with being touched too, especially germaphobes. Then there is just some stuff that makes people uncomfortable for no clear reason. Also, someone who is unable to experience love will not get anything from it. That is more a response to you liking affection because it has to do with care and love. How these things are formed in the brain is a question that fascinates me. It can never be figured out to a high degree in many cases, because many times it is the series of events in your life that form your likes and dislikes. true, yes, that all makes sense.
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Post by moviemouth on Apr 12, 2021 1:33:09 GMT
There are other reasons you are overlooking, the main one is someone who was molested or abused in the past. Anti-social people probably will dislike people touching them because they dislike people in general and people with OCD will have issues with being touched too, especially germaphobes. Then there is just some stuff that makes people uncomfortable for no clear reason. Also, someone who is unable to experience love will not get anything from it. That is more a response to you liking affection because it has to do with care and love. How these things are formed in the brain is a question that fascinates me. It can never be figured out to a high degree in many cases, because many times it is the series of events in your life that form your likes and dislikes. true, yes, that all makes sense. I'm glad I could help. Are you the Nora who had a lama as your avatar?
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Post by Nora on Apr 12, 2021 1:43:13 GMT
true, yes, that all makes sense. I'm glad I could help. Are you the Nora who had a lama as your avatar? Yes! (Alpaca). I didnt realize it was gone! I wonder why that happened. Will have to replace it.
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Post by moviemouth on Apr 12, 2021 1:44:50 GMT
I'm glad I could help. Are you the Nora who had a lama as your avatar? Yes! (Alpaca). I didnt realize it was gone! I wonder why that happened. Will have to replace it. It's back now.
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Post by movieliker on Apr 12, 2021 2:08:22 GMT
1) Of course not. My review wasn't speaking to anybody specifically. 2) Then why ask what I talk about in face to face conversation? 3)That is what men do. 4) In that context it's completely appropriate. The conversation kept evolving because I'm trying to explain to you that you, men who behave like you and feel like you have a right and duty to verbalize your judgement about women's bodies, has far-reaching effects. The fact that you have no empathy for the women whose lives are impacted is sickening. I'm trying to explain that a man with class wouldn't be delving into describing a would-be teenager's body in a movie review about chess. As our conversation continued (and and is exhaustingly going on in sufferance as you fail to grasp a sense of human decency) it evolved into me trying to explain what happens when men talk like you do to women. It has an affect, but you're just not aware or don't care. No empathy. No woman, lady or girl is negatively impacted by me saying an actress's "acting was terrific. It can't be easy making playing chess entertaining. I thought she was very attractive with her big brown eyes and red hair. No, she didn't have the best body. But she looked good when she wore nice clothes that fit well. And even as a frumpy orphan, her pretty face and compelling personality and style were riveting." Believe me, girls, ladies and women hear a lot worse. And don't confuse me posting a personal opinion of a web series, with anything I would say about a girl, lady or woman of whom I was talking to in person. And don't tell me I don't care about anybody's feelings. Or whether or not I would traumitize them with irresponsible behavior.
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Post by Nora on Apr 12, 2021 2:29:03 GMT
The conversation kept evolving because I'm trying to explain to you that you, men who behave like you and feel like you have a right and duty to verbalize your judgement about women's bodies, has far-reaching effects. The fact that you have no empathy for the women whose lives are impacted is sickening. I'm trying to explain that a man with class wouldn't be delving into describing a would-be teenager's body in a movie review about chess. As our conversation continued (and and is exhaustingly going on in sufferance as you fail to grasp a sense of human decency) it evolved into me trying to explain what happens when men talk like you do to women. It has an affect, but you're just not aware or don't care. No empathy. No woman, lady or girl is negatively impacted by me saying an actress's "acting was terrific. It can't be easy making playing chess entertaining. I thought she was very attractive with her big brown eyes and red hair. No, she didn't have the best body. But she looked good when she wore nice clothes that fit well. And even as a frumpy orphan, her pretty face and compelling personality and style were riveting." Believe me, girls, ladies and women hear a lot worse. And don't confuse me posting a personal opinion of a web series, with anything I would say about a girl, lady or woman of whom I was talking to in person. And don't tell me I don't care about anybody's feelings. Or whether or not I would traumitize them with irresponsible behavior. you simply cannot speak on behalf of all women and thus know that None of them could be negatively impacted by what you say. Here is an example: a young adult reading your comments about a HOLLYWOOD actress (where the standars of beauty and atractivness are much higher than anywhere else) where u say the body is “not the best” could feel more pressure to attain not only the beauty / shape Anya already posesses but something Even better. And if they dont compare, not only their bodies will be seen as “not the best” but maybe much worse. And each comment like that teaches women and people overall that women will always be primarily judged based on attractivity. Even where they have more to offer or where atttactiveness is not the key requirement. (such as for a chess player). Fight for equality aside, I am simply not sure this is the best approach to furthering human kindness and well being.
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Post by movieliker on Apr 12, 2021 2:44:09 GMT
No woman, lady or girl is negatively impacted by me saying an actress's "acting was terrific. It can't be easy making playing chess entertaining. I thought she was very attractive with her big brown eyes and red hair. No, she didn't have the best body. But she looked good when she wore nice clothes that fit well. And even as a frumpy orphan, her pretty face and compelling personality and style were riveting." Believe me, girls, ladies and women hear a lot worse. And don't confuse me posting a personal opinion of a web series, with anything I would say about a girl, lady or woman of whom I was talking to in person. And don't tell me I don't care about anybody's feelings. Or whether or not I would traumitize them with irresponsible behavior. 1) you simply cannot speak on behalf of all women and thus know that None of them could be negatively impacted by what you say. 2) Here is an example: a young adult reading your comments about a HOLLYWOOD actress (where the standars of beauty and atractivness are much higher than anywhere else) where u say the body is “not the best” could feel more pressure to attain not only the beauty / shape Anya already posesses but something Even better. And if they dont compare, not only their bodies will be seen as “not the best” but maybe much worse. 3) And each comment like that teaches women and people overall that women will always be primarily judged based on attractivity. Even where they have more to offer or where atttactiveness is not the key requirement. (such as for a chess player). Fight for equality aside, I am simply not sure this is the best approach to furthering human kindness and well being. 1) That was a hyperbolic statement (exaggeration to make a point). Not an absolute statement (as in "every single one without exception"). 2) That is ridiculous. Most girls, ladies and women know the difference between a great body and one that isn't the best. They don't need me to point it out. 3) Doesn't apply here. Because this is in the same paragraph; And all girls, ladies and women can just look around and see how Anya stacks up with normal girls, ladies and women in their normal lives. What do you think girls, ladies and women think when they see somebody like Pamela Anderson, Salma Hayeck or women in Penthouse or Playboy?
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Post by autumn on Apr 12, 2021 2:51:58 GMT
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