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Post by movieliker on Apr 12, 2021 2:55:14 GMT
I have the right to my opinion. That's all it was. |
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Post by Nora on Apr 12, 2021 2:57:45 GMT
1) you simply cannot speak on behalf of all women and thus know that None of them could be negatively impacted by what you say. 2) Here is an example: a young adult reading your comments about a HOLLYWOOD actress (where the standars of beauty and atractivness are much higher than anywhere else) where u say the body is “not the best” could feel more pressure to attain not only the beauty / shape Anya already posesses but something Even better. And if they dont compare, not only their bodies will be seen as “not the best” but maybe much worse. 3) And each comment like that teaches women and people overall that women will always be primarily judged based on attractivity. Even where they have more to offer or where atttactiveness is not the key requirement. (such as for a chess player). Fight for equality aside, I am simply not sure this is the best approach to furthering human kindness and well being. 1) That was a hyperbolic statement (exaggeration to make a point). Not an absolute statement (as in "every single one without exception"). 2) That is ridiculous. Most girls, ladies and women know the difference between a great body and one that isn't the best. They don't need me to point it out. 3) Doesn't apply here. Because this is in the same paragraph; And all girls, ladies and women can just look around and see how Anya stacks up with normal girls, ladies and women in their normal lives. What do you think girls, ladies and women think when they see somebody like Pamela Anderson, Salma Hayeck or women in Penthouse or Playboy? 2. again, you are speaking on behalf of women. albeit here on behalf of “most girls”. Doesnt it seem odd to you that you a member of the opposite sex would keep arguing (with several women now) what all or most women may/may not feel/think? Anyway, I must be one of the few women that are outside your “most” since I was not aware she doesnt have “the best body” and even after looking her body up specificaly, I still fail to see what you could possibly see as a flaw to her body. 3. I know you mentioned other qualities of her. But why was the quality of her body even In the review for this series? The series had nothing to do with her physical attractiveness, or her body, this was not a series about a stripper or model. Why even comment on it? Why wouldnt you comment on the body of any of the male counterparts, towns or benny? Or the janitor which you mention in the review. Could it be because their bodies are not seen As important? Even in movies or series with male Leads, you dont read these remarks as often, unless Perhaps its a James Bond/Avenger type of movie. But show me One review of the movie Pawn Sacrifice (basically Queens gambit only based on real story) where the reviewer comments on Tobby McGuires body in it. |
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Post by movieliker on Apr 12, 2021 3:10:29 GMT
1) That was a hyperbolic statement (exaggeration to make a point). Not an absolute statement (as in "every single one without exception"). 2) That is ridiculous. Most girls, ladies and women know the difference between a great body and one that isn't the best. They don't need me to point it out. 3) Doesn't apply here. Because this is in the same paragraph; And all girls, ladies and women can just look around and see how Anya stacks up with normal girls, ladies and women in their normal lives. What do you think girls, ladies and women think when they see somebody like Pamela Anderson, Salma Hayeck or women in Penthouse or Playboy? 2. again, you are speaking on behalf of women. albeit here on behalf of “most girls”. Doesnt it seem odd to you that you a member of the opposite sex would keep arguing (with several women now) what all or most women may/may not feel/think? Anyway, I must be one of the few women that are outside your “most” since I was not aware she doesnt have “the best body” and even after looking her body up specificaly, I still fail to see what you could possibly see as a flaw to her body. 3. I know you mentioned other qualities of her. But why was the quality of her body even In the review for this series? The series had nothing to do with her physical attractiveness, or her body, this was not a series about a stripper or model. Why even comment on it? Why wouldnt you comment on the body of any of the male counterparts, towns or benny? Or the janitor which you mention in the review. Could it be because their bodies are not seen As important? Even in movies or series with male Leads, you dont read these remarks as often, unless Perhaps its a James Bond/Avenger type of movie. But show me One review of the movie Pawn Sacrifice (basically Queens gambit only based on real story) where the reviewer comments on Tobby McGuires body in it. 2) Must be. Because most of the girls, ladies and women I talk with agree with me. You and autumn aren't "most girls, ladies and women". 3) Because I'm a guy. And that is what guys look at. (Just in case you (or autumn) didn't realize, I'm not a professional movie critic writing articles for a magazine or website. If that was the case, I might agree commenting on her body may not be professionally appropriate. I'm just a movie viewer posting a personal opinion on a message board.) |
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Post by Nora on Apr 12, 2021 3:24:10 GMT
2. again, you are speaking on behalf of women. albeit here on behalf of “most girls”. Doesnt it seem odd to you that you a member of the opposite sex would keep arguing (with several women now) what all or most women may/may not feel/think? Anyway, I must be one of the few women that are outside your “most” since I was not aware she doesnt have “the best body” and even after looking her body up specificaly, I still fail to see what you could possibly see as a flaw to her body. 3. I know you mentioned other qualities of her. But why was the quality of her body even In the review for this series? The series had nothing to do with her physical attractiveness, or her body, this was not a series about a stripper or model. Why even comment on it? Why wouldnt you comment on the body of any of the male counterparts, towns or benny? Or the janitor which you mention in the review. Could it be because their bodies are not seen As important? Even in movies or series with male Leads, you dont read these remarks as often, unless Perhaps its a James Bond/Avenger type of movie. But show me One review of the movie Pawn Sacrifice (basically Queens gambit only based on real story) where the reviewer comments on Tobby McGuires body in it. 2) Must be. Because most of the girls, ladies and women I talk with agree with me. You and autumn aren't "most girls, ladies and women". 3) Because I'm a guy. And that is what guys look at. (Just in case you (or autumn) didn't realize, I'm not a professional movie critic writing articles for a magazine or website. If that was the case, I might agree commenting on her body may not be professionally appropriate. I'm just a movie viewer posting a personal opinion on a message board.) 2. that so happens in ones regular social bubble. here you are outside your social bubble and are facing opinions from outside your circle. Anyway, your personal experience with a few/several people around you really shouldnt be basis for what most members of the group you are not part of feel. Maybe it better translates if we use race instead of gender. Imagine a white guy keeps defending his position on what all/most black guys think, or are impacted by, in a discussion with several black guys who dont agree with him on that. Seems kinda silly no? How about you say “I imagine this is what women feel like”. instead of “this is what women feel like” or even better, asking women: “does this impact you” and when some say something that is different to your opinion on what impacts them, consider accepting it instead of fighting it and saying they must be the outliers? And (now this part is perhaps most important) even if they Were outliers, and said it negatively impacts them/ they believe it contribues to rise of harm, couldnt that be enough for you to consider changing your ways at least slightly? 3. Nobody is saying you are not entitled to your opinion or to your interest in female bodies. I realize thats what is very important for a lot of men - or so I am told by them - But you asked specifically if we see that comment as odd/creepy/sexist. I would suggest being more open to the feedback from the women that spoke up against it. The way I look at feedback negating my opinions is: a) unless the person is crazy or trying to cause harm, I take it with an open mind and at least consider that there might be something to it. b) if the ask relates to my opinion/statements possibly causing someone distress, I personally really look into how important it is for me to keep doing the disputed thing and what it would cost me not to do it. So... how important is it for you to include such comments and what would it cost you if you were to stop? Lets bring more goodness to the world  |
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Post by movieliker on Apr 12, 2021 3:34:57 GMT
2) Must be. Because most of the girls, ladies and women I talk with agree with me. You and autumn aren't "most girls, ladies and women". 3) Because I'm a guy. And that is what guys look at. (Just in case you (or autumn) didn't realize, I'm not a professional movie critic writing articles for a magazine or website. If that was the case, I might agree commenting on her body may not be professionally appropriate. I'm just a movie viewer posting a personal opinion on a message board.) 2. that so happens in ones regular social bubble. here you are outside your social bubble and are facing opinions from outside your circle. Anyway, your personal experience with a few/several people around you really shouldnt be basis for what most members of the group you are not part of feel. Maybe it better translates if we use race instead of gender. Imagine a white guy keeps defending his position on what all/most black guys think, or are impacted by, in a discussion with several black guys who dont agree with him on that. Seems kinda silly no? How about you say “I imagine this is what women feel like”. instead of “this is what women feel like” or even better, asking women: “does this impact you” and when some say something that is different to your opinion on what impacts them, consider accepting it instead of fighting it and saying they must be the outliers? And (now this part is perhaps most important) even if they Were outliers, and said it negatively impacts them/ they believe it contribues to rise of harm, couldnt that be enough for you to consider changing your ways at least slightly? 3. Nobody is saying you are not entitled you your opinion or to your interest in female bodies. I realize thats what is very important for a lot of men - or so I am told by them - But you asked specifically if we see that comment as odd/creepy/sexist. I would suggest being more open to the feedback from the women that spoke up against it. Thet way I look at feedback negating my opinions is: a) unless the person is crazy or trying to cause harm, I take it with an open mind and at least consider that there might be something to it. b) if the ask relates to my opinion/statements possibly causing someone distress, I personally really look into how important it is for me to keep doing the disputed thing and what it would cost me not to do it. So... how important is it for you to include such comments and what would it cost you if you were to stop? 1) I'm not just talking about my social circle. I'm talking about social media, public media, talk shows, magazine articles, etc. These people are strangers to me. They aren't talking to me. And they don't even know who I am. Does it really matter what others think? My opinion is still my opinion. 3) As I said earlier, I wasn't talking about T & A. I was talking about everything else that is largely affected by exercise and diet. Any woman that would opt for low self esteem over responsible body care, deserves low self esteem. She's lazy and irresponsible. "She wants to spend a million dollars on clothes and makeup. But she is too lazy to go to the gym once in a while?" |
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Post by Nora on Apr 12, 2021 3:44:42 GMT
2. that so happens in ones regular social bubble. here you are outside your social bubble and are facing opinions from outside your circle. Anyway, your personal experience with a few/several people around you really shouldnt be basis for what most members of the group you are not part of feel. Maybe it better translates if we use race instead of gender. Imagine a white guy keeps defending his position on what all/most black guys think, or are impacted by, in a discussion with several black guys who dont agree with him on that. Seems kinda silly no? How about you say “I imagine this is what women feel like”. instead of “this is what women feel like” or even better, asking women: “does this impact you” and when some say something that is different to your opinion on what impacts them, consider accepting it instead of fighting it and saying they must be the outliers? And (now this part is perhaps most important) even if they Were outliers, and said it negatively impacts them/ they believe it contribues to rise of harm, couldnt that be enough for you to consider changing your ways at least slightly? 3. Nobody is saying you are not entitled you your opinion or to your interest in female bodies. I realize thats what is very important for a lot of men - or so I am told by them - But you asked specifically if we see that comment as odd/creepy/sexist. I would suggest being more open to the feedback from the women that spoke up against it. Thet way I look at feedback negating my opinions is: a) unless the person is crazy or trying to cause harm, I take it with an open mind and at least consider that there might be something to it. b) if the ask relates to my opinion/statements possibly causing someone distress, I personally really look into how important it is for me to keep doing the disputed thing and what it would cost me not to do it. So... how important is it for you to include such comments and what would it cost you if you were to stop? 1) I'm not just talking about my social circle. I'm talking about social media, public media, talk shows, magazine articles, etc. These people are strangers to me. They aren't talking to me. And they don't even know who I am. Does it really matter what others think? My opinion is still my opinion. 3) As I said earlier, I wasn't talking about T & A. I was talking about everything else that is largely affected by exercise and diet. Any woman that would opt for low self esteem over responsible body care, deserves low self esteem. She's lazy and irresponsible. "She wants to spend a million dollars on clothes and makeup. But she is too lazy to go to the gym once in a while?" 1. I no longer unserstand what you are trying to say. I followed this statement of yours “ be. Because most of the girls, ladies and women I talk with agree with me.“ to which you reply about articles and those people not talking to you? Lost me here. 3. I dont know what T & A means and thought we were talking about Anya and her looks/ your comment on her body and dont see how your comment about someone not going to the gym relates to that, but the way you talk about women overall is somewhat alarming, lemme tell you. How about we agree to disagree and call this quits? |
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Post by movieliker on Apr 12, 2021 3:50:38 GMT
1) I'm not just talking about my social circle. I'm talking about social media, public media, talk shows, magazine articles, etc. These people are strangers to me. They aren't talking to me. And they don't even know who I am. Does it really matter what others think? My opinion is still my opinion. 3) As I said earlier, I wasn't talking about T & A. I was talking about everything else that is largely affected by exercise and diet. Any woman that would opt for low self esteem over responsible body care, deserves low self esteem. She's lazy and irresponsible. "She wants to spend a million dollars on clothes and makeup. But she is too lazy to go to the gym once in a while?" 1. I no longer unserstand what you are trying to say. I followed this statement of yours “ be. Because most of the girls, ladies and women I talk with agree with me.“ to which you reply about articles and those people not talking to you? Lost me here. 3. I dont know what T & A means and thought we were talking about Anya and her looks/ your comment on her body and dont see how your comment about someone not going to the gym relates to that, but the way you talk about women is somewhat alarming, lemme tell you. How about we agree to disagree and call this quits? 1) I don't just get what other people think from people I talk with. 2) T & A is breasts and butts (hips). You can take a rest and pick it up anytime that is convenient for you. Like tomorrow for example. Or you can just drop it if you don't want to talk anymore. |
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Post by autumn on Apr 12, 2021 13:19:57 GMT
I wonder if you're the spitting image of Chris Hemsworth while you're throwing stones and expecting so much from women.
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Post by autumn on Apr 12, 2021 13:22:37 GMT
Nora, he was referring to "tits and ass", but he decided to refine it and say "breast and hips" when he described it to you.
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Post by stefancrosscoe on Apr 12, 2021 16:21:58 GMT
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Post by movieliker on Apr 12, 2021 16:36:20 GMT
I wonder if you're the spitting image of Chris Hemsworth while you're throwing stones and expecting so much from women. I've always worked out, played sports and had physical labor jobs. Nobody has to be Chris Hemsworth. But there is a big middle ground between being a gym rat and somebody who refuses to exercise. |
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Post by Nora on Apr 12, 2021 17:03:10 GMT
I wonder if you're the spitting image of Chris Hemsworth while you're throwing stones and expecting so much from women. I've always worked out, played sports and had physical labor jobs. Nobody has to be Chris Hemsworth. But there is a big middle ground between being a gym rat and somebody who refuses to exercise. who are you talking about when you repeatadly mention refusal to exercise? Not about the former balerina Anya Taylor Joy, right? |
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Post by movieliker on Apr 12, 2021 17:15:19 GMT
I've always worked out, played sports and had physical labor jobs. Nobody has to be Chris Hemsworth. But there is a big middle ground between being a gym rat and somebody who refuses to exercise. who are you talking about when you repeatadly mention refusal to exercise? Not about the former balerina Anya Taylor Joy, right? No. But exercising and doing the right exercises are two different things. It's been a while since I've seen The Queen's Gambit, so I don't remember what the lead actress looked like. But for example, Kaley Cuoco and Amanda Seyfried have terrible legs. Because their calves are under developed. All it would take is doing the correct exercises (calf raises) for them to have good legs. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case with Anya Taylor Joy because ballerinas notoriously have bad calves. I can't remember. But I would expect it was a little more than that that inspired my comment. |
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Post by Nora on Apr 12, 2021 19:09:18 GMT
who are you talking about when you repeatadly mention refusal to exercise? Not about the former balerina Anya Taylor Joy, right? No. But exercising and doing the right exercises are two different things. It's been a while since I've seen The Queen's Gambit, so I don't remember what the lead actress looked like. But for example, Kaley Cuoco and Amanda Seyfried have terrible legs. Because their calves are under developed. All it would take is doing the correct exercises (calf raises) for them to have god legs. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case with Anya Taylor Joy because ballerinas notoriously have bad calves. I can't remember. But I would expect it was a little more than that that inspired my comment. omg. Ok, I politely bow out of this debate. No point in keeping it going. |
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Post by Spitfire926f on Apr 12, 2021 22:57:26 GMT
No. But exercising and doing the right exercises are two different things. It's been a while since I've seen The Queen's Gambit, so I don't remember what the lead actress looked like. But for example, Kaley Cuoco and Amanda Seyfried have terrible legs. Because their calves are under developed. All it would take is doing the correct exercises (calf raises) for them to have god legs. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case with Anya Taylor Joy because ballerinas notoriously have bad calves. I can't remember. But I would expect it was a little more than that that inspired my comment. omg. Ok, I politely bow out of this debate. No point in keeping it going. I think Movieliker is overall an okay guy, but you'll never get anywhere in a debate with him. I just never thought I'd hear anyone critique ATJ's body, I think she's lovely. |
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Post by movieliker on Apr 12, 2021 23:01:43 GMT
omg. Ok, I politely bow out of this debate. No point in keeping it going. I think Movieliker is overall an okay guy, but you'll never get anywhere in a debate with him. I just never thought I'd hear anyone critique ATJ's body, I think she's lovely. I think she is beautiful also. I said as much repeatedly. Nobody is perfect. Not even me. I was just pointing out my personal opinion of her great performance, her beauty, and a terrific web series. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2021 2:44:29 GMT
Who's touching me and why??? Makes all the difference.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2021 7:38:34 GMT
First of all it depends on who is touching me but I am generally a very cuddly person and like cuddling people and getting cuddles from people and when my Wife and I were kids I used to pretend I was scared of Horror movies or storms so she would cuddle me and keep me protected and I thought I was fooling her but she knew all along.  
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