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Post by LilHusky on Apr 11, 2021 22:36:18 GMT
Should they forgive him? Sure. That’s what Christianity teaches. But he should still do time and be convicted. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2021 22:36:20 GMT
Well, I'm not going to watch a 40 minute video, but probably.
Forgiveness is perhaps the only laudable element of that faith.
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Post by yougotastewgoinbaby on Apr 12, 2021 2:11:12 GMT
Sure, why not.
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Post by poutinep on Apr 12, 2021 6:05:34 GMT
Forgiveness requires repentance.
Luke 17:3-4 “If your brother or sister sins against you, rebuke them; and if they repent, forgive them. Even if they sin against you seven times in a day and seven times come back to you saying ‘I repent,’ you must forgive them."
From what I understand he hasn't expressed any remorse let alone admitted responsibility so no he is not worthy of forgiveness according to jesus but when have christians ever tried to emulate jesus?
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Post by Isapop on Apr 12, 2021 8:12:36 GMT
How is it anyone's place to forgive Derek Chauvin unless they are someone sinned against by Derek Chauvin?
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Apr 12, 2021 10:32:34 GMT
I don`t know........what does Jesus say about forgiveness ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2021 15:32:16 GMT
As a Catholic Christian...
God's mercy is limitless.
All sins are forgiveable.
He hasn't sinned against me, I have nothing to forgive him for.
Whether the loved ones of George Floyd forgive him is up to them.
Whether God forgives him is between them. Is he repentant? What is his disposition?
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Apr 13, 2021 18:23:57 GMT
Well, I'm not going to watch a 40 minute video, but probably. Forgiveness is perhaps the only laudable element of that faith. Here is a secular humanist's view of Christian forgiveness. A young, beautiful girl is mercilessly stalked and raped by a sadistic rapist who maims his victims and brands them on the face so his mark on their lives will always be visible. This girl becomes pregnant from the rape, and gives birth to the rapist's child, who has, possibly, a genetic tendency towards violence. The young girl is shunned by the surrounding community, and her child grows up troubled. She never marries, because no man would want to help raise a rapist's child, or a maimed person. Her life has been changed forever, irrevocably, and not for the good. So the rapist is caught, given the death sentence, and after protracted legal battles, is finally preparing for his execution. The prison minister talks to him, as they all do in these cases, and the rapist breaks down in tears, sorry for the harm he has done, and asks God's forgiveness. In theory, God would accept a truly repentant confession and request for forgiveness, so the rapist is saved and goes to Heaven after death. I wonder what that girl would think about God forgiving what was done to HER? She has always said that she knows he will burn in Hell for what he did to her, and to other women. Does she get a say in it, or are her feelings disregarded by God? Does that sound like justice?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2021 18:34:01 GMT
Well, I'm not going to watch a 40 minute video, but probably. Forgiveness is perhaps the only laudable element of that faith. Here is a secular humanist's view of Christian forgiveness. A young, beautiful girl is mercilessly stalked and raped by a sadistic rapist who maims his victims and brands them on the face so his mark on their lives will always be visible. This girl becomes pregnant from the rape, and gives birth to the rapist's child, who has, possibly, a genetic tendency towards violence. The young girl is shunned by the surrounding community, and her child grows up troubled. She never marries, because no man would want to help raise a rapist's child, or a maimed person. Her life has been changed forever, irrevocably, and not for the good. So the rapist is caught, given the death sentence, and after protracted legal battles, is finally preparing for his execution. The prison minister talks to him, as they all do in these cases, and the rapist breaks down in tears, sorry for the harm he has done, and asks God's forgiveness. In theory, God would accept a truly repentant confession and request for forgiveness, so the rapist is saved and goes to Heaven after death. I wonder what that girl would think about God forgiving what was done to HER? She has always said that she knows he will burn in Hell for what he did to her, and to other women. Does she get a say in it, or are her feelings disregarded by God? Does that sound like justice? Well, yes, it is justice if we're talking in theological terms. If you are a Christian, God's decisions are the highest form of law. God is never wrong. If He, as the ultimate entity, accepted the repentance and whisked the rapist away into Heaven, then that was the absolute just decision, even if to the girl it makes no sense.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Apr 13, 2021 18:44:32 GMT
Here is a secular humanist's view of Christian forgiveness. A young, beautiful girl is mercilessly stalked and raped by a sadistic rapist who maims his victims and brands them on the face so his mark on their lives will always be visible. This girl becomes pregnant from the rape, and gives birth to the rapist's child, who has, possibly, a genetic tendency towards violence. The young girl is shunned by the surrounding community, and her child grows up troubled. She never marries, because no man would want to help raise a rapist's child, or a maimed person. Her life has been changed forever, irrevocably, and not for the good. So the rapist is caught, given the death sentence, and after protracted legal battles, is finally preparing for his execution. The prison minister talks to him, as they all do in these cases, and the rapist breaks down in tears, sorry for the harm he has done, and asks God's forgiveness. In theory, God would accept a truly repentant confession and request for forgiveness, so the rapist is saved and goes to Heaven after death. I wonder what that girl would think about God forgiving what was done to HER? She has always said that she knows he will burn in Hell for what he did to her, and to other women. Does she get a say in it, or are her feelings disregarded by God? Does that sound like justice? Well, yes, it is justice if we're talking in theological terms. If you are a Christian, God's decisions are the highest form of law. God is never wrong. If He, as the ultimate entity, accepted the repentance and whisked the rapist away into Heaven, then that was the absolute just decision, even if to the girl it makes no sense. Wow, what a just, compassionate God this is! (NOT) Which is part of why I am an agnostic atheist. It makes no sense to me. To me it seems that God is putting His stamp of approval on what happened to that girl, with no consideration of how deeply she was harmed, as though God Himself is victimizing her yet again. JMHO. I often (kind of) wish there really was a Hell, because that is where some people really do belong.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2021 18:46:59 GMT
Well, yes, it is justice if we're talking in theological terms. If you are a Christian, God's decisions are the highest form of law. God is never wrong. If He, as the ultimate entity, accepted the repentance and whisked the rapist away into Heaven, then that was the absolute just decision, even if to the girl it makes no sense. Wow, what a just, compassionate God this is! (NOT) Which is part of why I am an agnostic atheist. It makes no sense to me. To me it seems that God is putting His stamp of approval on what happened to that girl, with no consideration of how deeply she was harmed, as though God Himself is victimizing her yet again. JMHO. I often (kind of) wish there really was a Hell, because that is where some people really do belong. Well, I'm an atheist as well so I've got no dog in the fight. But if you're a Christian, part of the doctrine is learning to forgive others and to let God be the ultimate judge.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Apr 13, 2021 18:57:18 GMT
Wow, what a just, compassionate God this is! (NOT) Which is part of why I am an agnostic atheist. It makes no sense to me. To me it seems that God is putting His stamp of approval on what happened to that girl, with no consideration of how deeply she was harmed, as though God Himself is victimizing her yet again. JMHO. I often (kind of) wish there really was a Hell, because that is where some people really do belong. Well, I'm an atheist as well so I've got no dog in the fight. But if you're a Christian, part of the doctrine is learning to forgive others and to let God be the ultimate judge. That would be correct, if one was a Christian, and it is a large part of why I am not a Christian. Or of any religious group. Like ant-mac, I see the universe, not as cruel, but as indifferent. Religion is just a human construct to 'explain' things that are not yet understood. We are the only species that needs this, the only species capable of contemplating our own mortality. We need to continue to look to science, for verifiable facts, instead of conjuring up supernatural explanations to suit theory and emotion.
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Post by Isapop on Apr 13, 2021 19:10:10 GMT
That’s up to them, though the only person he’s wronged in the case is Floyd. It’s possible Floyd forgave him as he was dying. Well, I'd make room for Floyd's family, too.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Apr 14, 2021 1:42:41 GMT
That’s up to them, though the only person he’s wronged in the case is Floyd. It’s possible Floyd forgave him as he was dying. I wouldn't bet the farm on that... Edit: Had that been me on the ground, I would have said, "Soon, my pain will end. But yours is just beginning..."
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Post by ant-mac on Apr 14, 2021 1:43:12 GMT
Wow, what a just, compassionate God this is! (NOT) Which is part of why I am an agnostic atheist. It makes no sense to me. To me it seems that God is putting His stamp of approval on what happened to that girl, with no consideration of how deeply she was harmed, as though God Himself is victimizing her yet again. JMHO. I often (kind of) wish there really was a Hell, because that is where some people really do belong. Well, I'm an atheist as well so I've got no dog in the fight. But if you're a Christian, part of the doctrine is learning to forgive others and to let God be the ultimate judge. As rachelcarson1953 indicated, I'm also an atheist, so I'm definitely no sort of expert on the subject, but as a casual, lay observer, I get the impression that many modern self-described Christians have overlooked the part of the doctrine that refers to the forgiveness of others. Or loving thy neighbour... Or doing unto others as you would have them do unto you... And so on.
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Post by ant-mac on Apr 14, 2021 1:44:05 GMT
Well, I'm an atheist as well so I've got no dog in the fight. But if you're a Christian, part of the doctrine is learning to forgive others and to let God be the ultimate judge. That would be correct, if one was a Christian, and it is a large part of why I am not a Christian. Or of any religious group. Like ant-mac , I see the universe, not as cruel, but as indifferent. Religion is just a human construct to 'explain' things that are not yet understood. We are the only species that needs this, the only species capable of contemplating our own mortality. We need to continue to look to science, for verifiable facts, instead of conjuring up supernatural explanations to suit theory and emotion. If you'll pardon the expression, you're preaching to the choir. 
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Apr 14, 2021 1:50:53 GMT
That would be correct, if one was a Christian, and it is a large part of why I am not a Christian. Or of any religious group. Like ant-mac , I see the universe, not as cruel, but as indifferent. Religion is just a human construct to 'explain' things that are not yet understood. We are the only species that needs this, the only species capable of contemplating our own mortality. We need to continue to look to science, for verifiable facts, instead of conjuring up supernatural explanations to suit theory and emotion. If you'll pardon the expression, you're preaching to the choir. Yeah, and I used YOUR line again... shame on me!
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Post by ant-mac on Apr 14, 2021 1:58:29 GMT
If you'll pardon the expression, you're preaching to the choir. Yeah, and I used YOUR line again... shame on me! Not at all. Use it as often as you like. I found it, or something similar to it, in my travels through books, TV and the internet, so I modified it for my own use. I think it's a good line and perfectly encapsulates a certain perspective or world-view.
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Post by Admin on Apr 14, 2021 5:11:07 GMT
As a Catholic Christian... God's mercy is limitless. All sins are forgiveable. He hasn't sinned against me, I have nothing to forgive him for. Whether the loved ones of George Floyd forgive him is up to them. Whether God forgives him is between them. Is he repentant? What is his disposition? Isn't there one sin that God can't forgive?
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Post by Admin on Apr 14, 2021 5:18:13 GMT
Well, I'm not going to watch a 40 minute video, but probably. Forgiveness is perhaps the only laudable element of that faith. Here is a secular humanist's view of Christian forgiveness. A young, beautiful girl is mercilessly stalked and raped by a sadistic rapist who maims his victims and brands them on the face so his mark on their lives will always be visible. This girl becomes pregnant from the rape, and gives birth to the rapist's child, who has, possibly, a genetic tendency towards violence. The young girl is shunned by the surrounding community, and her child grows up troubled. She never marries, because no man would want to help raise a rapist's child, or a maimed person. Her life has been changed forever, irrevocably, and not for the good. So the rapist is caught, given the death sentence, and after protracted legal battles, is finally preparing for his execution. The prison minister talks to him, as they all do in these cases, and the rapist breaks down in tears, sorry for the harm he has done, and asks God's forgiveness. In theory, God would accept a truly repentant confession and request for forgiveness, so the rapist is saved and goes to Heaven after death. I wonder what that girl would think about God forgiving what was done to HER? She has always said that she knows he will burn in Hell for what he did to her, and to other women. Does she get a say in it, or are her feelings disregarded by God? Does that sound like justice? Perhaps the basic idea here is that when you forgive someone, you do so more for yourself than the one you're forgiving. Alanis Morisette wrote a beautiful song about it called "This Grudge." Give it a listen. 
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