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Post by Admin on Apr 16, 2021 20:44:51 GMT
No. Heterosexual men objectify women. Healthy women like being objectified. As long as they are respected for being human beings. And not JUST a sex object. You can’t have it both ways... Objectify: degrade to the status of a mere object. Sorry. |
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Post by movieliker on Apr 16, 2021 20:46:38 GMT
No. Heterosexual men objectify women. Healthy women like being objectified. As long as they are respected for being human beings. And not JUST a sex object. You can’t have it both ways... Objectify: degrade to the status of a mere object. Sorry. I never disagreed with that. |
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Post by Admin on Apr 16, 2021 20:57:43 GMT
You can’t have it both ways... Objectify: degrade to the status of a mere object. Sorry. I never disagreed with that. And yet that disagrees with you. |
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Post by movieliker on Apr 16, 2021 21:00:25 GMT
I never disagreed with that. And yet that disagrees with you. No it doesn't. |
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Post by Admin on Apr 16, 2021 21:04:17 GMT
And yet that disagrees with you. No it doesn't. You can’t degrade people to the status of mere objects while retaining respect for them as human beings. |
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Post by movieliker on Apr 16, 2021 21:08:30 GMT
You can’t degrade people to the status of mere objects while retaining respect for them as a human being. I never did. Mysogynists see no value in women other than their ability to be a sex object. I spent five of the six sentences of the opening paragraph talking about her positive tangible and intangible qualities. A mysogynist would only care about her ability to be a sex object. Women want to be seen as sex objects. But not JUST sex objects. |
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Post by Admin on Apr 16, 2021 21:12:48 GMT
You can’t degrade people to the status of mere objects while retaining respect for them as a human being. I never did. Mysogynists see no value in women other than their ability to be a sex object. I spent five of the six sentences of the opening paragraph talking about her positive tangible and intangible qualities. A mysogynist would only care about her ability to be a sex object. Women want to be seen as sex objects. But not JUST sex objects. That last sentence brings us right back to the start and so my response is the same: You can’t have it both ways. Sorry. |
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Post by movieliker on Apr 16, 2021 21:16:38 GMT
I never did. Mysogynists see no value in women other than their ability to be a sex object. I spent five of the six sentences of the opening paragraph talking about her positive tangible and intangible qualities. A mysogynist would only care about her ability to be a sex object. Women want to be seen as sex objects. But not JUST sex objects. That last sentence brings us right back to the start and so my response is the same: You can’t have it both ways. Sorry. I don't have it both ways. 1) I'm not a mysogynist. 2) I do see women as --- among other things --- sex objects. 1) Mysogynists see women as having no value other than being sex objects. 2) Healthy people see women as having mutiple qualities. Just one being a sex object. I'm a 2. Not a 1. |
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Post by Admin on Apr 16, 2021 21:29:01 GMT
That last sentence brings us right back to the start and so my response is the same: You can’t have it both ways. Sorry. I don't have it both ways. 1) I'm not a mysogynist. 2) I do see women as --- among other things --- sex objects. 1) Mysogynists see women as having no value other than being sex objects. 2) Healthy people see women as having mutiple qualities. Just one being a sex object. I'm a 2. Not a 1. If you don’t see them as *just* objects, then you aren’t objectifying them. |
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Post by movieliker on Apr 16, 2021 21:31:15 GMT
I don't have it both ways. 1) I'm not a mysogynist. 2) I do see women as --- among other things --- sex objects. 1) Mysogynists see women as having no value other than being sex objects. 2) Healthy people see women as having mutiple qualities. Just one being a sex object. I'm a 2. Not a 1. If you don’t see them as *just* objects, then you aren’t objectifying them. Okay. Maybe so. But this is veering into pointless semantics. I think you understand what the issue was. |
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Post by Admin on Apr 16, 2021 21:34:22 GMT
If you don’t see them as *just* objects, then you aren’t objectifying them. Okay. Maybe so. But this is veering into pointless semantics. I think you understand what the issue was. I understand the issue to be a paradox. |
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Post by movieliker on Apr 16, 2021 21:35:36 GMT
Okay. Maybe so. But this is veering into pointless semantics. I think you understand what the issue was. I understand the issue to be a paradox. No. Mysogynists see women as "less than equal". I see women as "equals". |
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Post by Admin on Apr 16, 2021 21:39:10 GMT
I understand the issue to be a paradox. No. Mysogynists see women as "less than equal". I see women as "equals". You and I were talking about objectification, not misogyny. |
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Post by movieliker on Apr 16, 2021 21:40:42 GMT
No. Mysogynists see women as "less than equal". I see women as "equals". You and I were talking about objectification, not misogyny. No. I was talking about mysogeny. Not objectification. Mysogeny is the topic of the thread. |
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Post by Admin on Apr 16, 2021 21:51:02 GMT
You and I were talking about objectification, not misogyny. No. I was talking about mysogeny. Not objectification. Mysogeny is the topic of the thread. But it wasn’t the topic of our little chat because we were talking about objectification because your comment about it is what I responded to. Good talk. Thanks. |
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Post by movieliker on Apr 16, 2021 21:52:32 GMT
No. I was talking about mysogeny. Not objectification. Mysogeny is the topic of the thread. But it wasn’t the topic of our little chat because we were talking about objectification because your comment about it is what I responded to. Good talk. Thanks. Pleasure speaking with you. |
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Post by dirtypillows on Apr 16, 2021 22:45:16 GMT
What the heck?! One or two lines about the lead female's attractiveness hardly merits a "misogynistic" tally. He didn't even use the word "boobs" once, for Chrissakes!
I just thought the reviewer seemed a little immature and naive or ignorant. Isn't misogyny the hatred of women? The person who wrote the review had nothing but nice things to say about the girl.
The review was not misogynistic at all. It wasn't even creepy or perverted. I just thought it was a rather boring movie review that came off as having been written by a 14 year old boy.
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Post by movieliker on Apr 16, 2021 22:51:52 GMT
What the heck?! One or two lines about the lead female's attractiveness hardly merits a "misogynistic" tally. He didn't even use the word "boobs" once, for Chrissakes! I just thought the reviewer seemed a little immature and naive or ignorant. Isn't misogyny the hatred of women? The person who wrote the review had nothing but nice things to say about the girl. The review was not misogynistic at all. It wasn't even creepy or perverted. I just thought it was a rather boring movie review that came off as having been written by a 14 year old boy. So, only 14 year old boys care about a woman's looks? |
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Post by dirtypillows on Apr 16, 2021 23:05:55 GMT
What the heck?! One or two lines about the lead female's attractiveness hardly merits a "misogynistic" tally. He didn't even use the word "boobs" once, for Chrissakes! I just thought the reviewer seemed a little immature and naive or ignorant. Isn't misogyny the hatred of women? The person who wrote the review had nothing but nice things to say about the girl. The review was not misogynistic at all. It wasn't even creepy or perverted. I just thought it was a rather boring movie review that came off as having been written by a 14 year old boy. So, only 14 year old boys care about a woman's looks? Huh? Where did you get that from? The review itself was flat and kinda dull and obvious and without much depth of perspective. Like the way an ordinary 14 year old boy might approach a movie review. Same with the writing style. And I'm not insulting 14 year old boys, either. That's just how the review came off to me. |
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Post by Admin on Apr 16, 2021 23:16:18 GMT
What is superficial about a guy being critically aware of the attractiveness of a Hollywood actress? Isn't that normal behavior? Don't girls, ladies and women take notice, and value a man who is attractive? It sounds like you are in high school and it sounds depthless and superficial. Enough saying she is pretty; you don't need to go into silly nonsense that doesn't matter. Yes, you have your opinion, but you negate the balance of your review with that silly infantile first paragraph. Depthless! I love it! Gonna make that my new favorite go-to insult. 
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