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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 12, 2021 19:25:26 GMT
Yes, they do. I'm talking about the lingering effect on their reputation, not how they were punished in the moment. Where are the people on the internet always bringing up Bountygate? Because if you start talking about the Patriots, you better believe 'cheating' comes up. If I were to guess, and of course this is just a guess the Patriots thing gets brought up because they have been accused and or found guilty more than once with whatever the filming practice thing was against the Rams. So they are deemed as repeat offenders. Didnt they just lose like a 3rd or 4th round draft pick this year for breaking another rule? No, they didn't film the Rams walkthrough. They were caught taping signals against the Jets in 2007 from a position you weren't allowed to film other teams' sidelines. Not the simple taping of the sidelines, but the position of the cameras is what made it illegal. Either way it was illegal, and they were punished accordingly. A disgruntled former Pats employee said he had taped the Rams walkthrough before SB 36. He was ordered by the NFL to produce the tapes, and he gave them 8 game tapes, the Rams practice was not among them. Even though it's impossible for anyone to explain how this aided the Patriots in winning (and even more impossible to explain them going 9-7 and missing the playoffs in 2002 if it was taped signals that gave them success; nor does it explain how their winning % went up in the years following Spygate); they broke a rule, Belichick brought this on the team and he deserves criticism. During the 2019 season, the Patriots again got in trouble for suspicion of taping signals when they were filming a segment for their youtube series 'Do Your Job' (which ranges from boring to moderately interesting by the way), focusing on the advance scouting team. You can see why the Bengals were suspicious, given the Patriots history. I don't know why Belichick would be so brazen as to try the same trick twice, against a bad team no less, but then he's a shitty coach so I guess anything is possible. Anyway, the fine and loss of a 3rd round draft pick was due to the appearance of impropriety. The NFL believed the Patriots explanation of the events, but nevertheless punished them for not getting permission to do so from the Bengals beforehand. In simple terms, they did nothing wrong, but it was a bad look for the league. Again, I think it was a fair decision given the Patriots history. Most people aren't familiar with the details, they just bitch about the Patriots cheating. Meanwhile we're lucky nobody was killed on Payton's watch down there in New Orleans, and it's all but forgotten now. The good news for Patriots haters is the real reason for their success is in Tampa now, so they don't have to invent excuses for them winning anymore. It's going to be losing seasons in Foxborough from here on out until they get rid of Belichick.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Apr 12, 2021 20:11:21 GMT
If I were to guess, and of course this is just a guess the Patriots thing gets brought up because they have been accused and or found guilty more than once with whatever the filming practice thing was against the Rams. So they are deemed as repeat offenders. Didnt they just lose like a 3rd or 4th round draft pick this year for breaking another rule? No, they didn't film the Rams walkthrough. They were caught taping signals against the Jets in 2007 from a position you weren't allowed to film other teams' sidelines. Not the simple taping of the sidelines, but the position of the cameras is what made it illegal. Either way it was illegal, and they were punished accordingly. A disgruntled former Pats employee said he had taped the Rams walkthrough before SB 36. He was ordered by the NFL to produce the tapes, and he gave them 8 game tapes, the Rams practice was not among them. Even though it's impossible for anyone to explain how this aided the Patriots in winning (and even more impossible to explain them going 9-7 and missing the playoffs in 2002 if it was taped signals that gave them success; nor does it explain how their winning % went up in the years following Spygate); they broke a rule, Belichick brought this on the team and he deserves criticism. During the 2019 season, the Patriots again got in trouble for suspicion of taping signals when they were filming a segment for their youtube series 'Do Your Job' (which ranges from boring to moderately interesting by the way), focusing on the advance scouting team. You can see why the Bengals were suspicious, given the Patriots history. I don't know why Belichick would be so brazen as to try the same trick twice, against a bad team no less, but then he's a shitty coach so I guess anything is possible. Anyway, the fine and loss of a 3rd round draft pick was due to the appearance of impropriety. The NFL believed the Patriots explanation of the events, but nevertheless punished them for not getting permission to do so from the Bengals beforehand. In simple terms, they did nothing wrong, but it was a bad look for the league. Again, I think it was a fair decision given the Patriots history. Most people aren't familiar with the details, they just bitch about the Patriots cheating. Meanwhile we're lucky nobody was killed on Payton's watch down there in New Orleans, and it's all but forgotten now. The good news for Patriots haters is the real reason for their success is in Tampa now, so they don't have to invent excuses for them winning anymore. It's going to be losing seasons in Foxborough from here on out until they get rid of Belichick. I'm not into getting into the details too much on this because for the most part I don't think we really disagree, but you don't know what was on the tapes because the Goodell had them destroyed, which I think made the perception of things so much worse if there really was nothing to hide... especially when another allegation came up because conspiracy minded people would believe that Goodell went easy on them the first time and that's why he was pissed enough to overstep his bounds when there was another incident, legitimate or not. Again, whether or not any of it was right or wrong, that's how they made it look. And I disagree about Sean Payton. It doesn't dog the team and doesn't seem to touch Brees, but Greg Williams doesn't escape that as being his enduring reputation, and I believe it follows Payton pretty much whenever I hear his legacy discussed, and he served a much harsher penalty than Belly. But the treatment was the same in a lot of ways. There was tons of talk about how it was no big deal because everyone does it, and other talk about how people were incensed about it. I think you're probably right that it follows the team more in won case rather than the other, but I don't think Payton gets a pass. Also, I don't think this movie, even if it is explicitly about the literal Sean Payton... which I doubt, is going to treat Payton as a hero. I think it's likely to be a dumb comedy.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 12, 2021 20:18:21 GMT
No, they didn't film the Rams walkthrough. They were caught taping signals against the Jets in 2007 from a position you weren't allowed to film other teams' sidelines. Not the simple taping of the sidelines, but the position of the cameras is what made it illegal. Either way it was illegal, and they were punished accordingly. A disgruntled former Pats employee said he had taped the Rams walkthrough before SB 36. He was ordered by the NFL to produce the tapes, and he gave them 8 game tapes, the Rams practice was not among them. Even though it's impossible for anyone to explain how this aided the Patriots in winning (and even more impossible to explain them going 9-7 and missing the playoffs in 2002 if it was taped signals that gave them success; nor does it explain how their winning % went up in the years following Spygate); they broke a rule, Belichick brought this on the team and he deserves criticism. During the 2019 season, the Patriots again got in trouble for suspicion of taping signals when they were filming a segment for their youtube series 'Do Your Job' (which ranges from boring to moderately interesting by the way), focusing on the advance scouting team. You can see why the Bengals were suspicious, given the Patriots history. I don't know why Belichick would be so brazen as to try the same trick twice, against a bad team no less, but then he's a shitty coach so I guess anything is possible. Anyway, the fine and loss of a 3rd round draft pick was due to the appearance of impropriety. The NFL believed the Patriots explanation of the events, but nevertheless punished them for not getting permission to do so from the Bengals beforehand. In simple terms, they did nothing wrong, but it was a bad look for the league. Again, I think it was a fair decision given the Patriots history. Most people aren't familiar with the details, they just bitch about the Patriots cheating. Meanwhile we're lucky nobody was killed on Payton's watch down there in New Orleans, and it's all but forgotten now. The good news for Patriots haters is the real reason for their success is in Tampa now, so they don't have to invent excuses for them winning anymore. It's going to be losing seasons in Foxborough from here on out until they get rid of Belichick. I'm not into getting into the details too much on this because for the most part I don't think we really disagree, but you don't know what was on the tapes because the Goodell had them destroyed, which I think made the perception of things so much worse if there really was nothing to hide... especially when another allegation came up because conspiracy minded people would believe that Goodell went easy on them the first time and that's why he was pissed enough to overstep his bounds when there was another incident, legitimate or not. Again, whether or not any of it was right or wrong, that's how they made it look. And I disagree about Sean Payton. It doesn't dog the team and doesn't seem to touch Brees, but Greg Williams doesn't escape that as being his enduring reputation, and I believe it follows Payton pretty much whenever I hear his legacy discussed, and he served a much harsher penalty than Belly. But the treatment was the same in a lot of ways. There was tons of talk about how it was no big deal because everyone does it, and other talk about how people were incensed about it. I think you're probably right that it follows the team more in won case rather than the other, but I don't think Payton gets a pass. Also, I don't think this movie, even if it is explicitly about the literal Sean Payton... which I doubt, is going to treat Payton as a hero. I think it's likely to be a dumb comedy. We do know what was on the tapes provided by Matt Walsh, because it was released. I still don't think Payton, the Saints or anyone on that staff are linked to that scandal half as much as the Patriots are to theirs. And again I think that comes down to cultural relevance. The Saints didn't win enough for the public to get tired of them and start hating them. Either way the movie sounds dumb, I'll be passing on that one.
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Post by NJtoTX on Apr 12, 2021 20:34:32 GMT
Favre playing himself?
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