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Post by sdrew13163 on Apr 12, 2021 21:16:41 GMT
Watched this last night. I probably hadn't actually sat through the whole thing in about five years, so it was a nice experience.
I forgot how great the first half is. Up to that awesome scene with Tony taking out the Ten Rings thugs with his new suit, it's one of the best summer popcorn offerings of this century.
It slowly gets less exciting from there, but it's never bad.
Technically speaking, it holds up well. The CGI/visual effects are very good and the cinematography is a fun time capsule of its time - a perfect mix between the rapid-fire style of the early 2000s and the more sustained-chaos approach of the 2010s. If it had even just an okay score it'd be much better.
I'd give it a 7.5/10.
Thoughts on this movie?
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Post by Power Ranger on Apr 12, 2021 21:50:30 GMT
It’s very good for a superhero film. 7.5/10 feels right. I liked the sequel better myself. Yeah the first half was good.
I still don’t agree with Tony’s characterisation. I wanted a more traditional, laconic tough guy. Alternatively, a nerdy character. Just not the brat. Iron Man established that and then we had to put up with it for another decade.
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Post by DarkManX on Apr 12, 2021 23:26:42 GMT
I still like it, it's one of the best Marvel movies. The ending with the Iron Monger feels tacked on, like they needed a big fight with another guy in armor. I didn't like the sequels.
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Post by politicidal on Apr 13, 2021 0:43:22 GMT
It’s still my favorite MCU movie and one of my favorite superhero movies.
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Post by hobowar on Apr 13, 2021 1:17:33 GMT
Robert Downey jr was a horrible choice for Tony Stark.
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Post by darkpast on Apr 13, 2021 5:40:47 GMT
Iron Man and Captain Marvel are top tier Marvel
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Apr 13, 2021 9:04:44 GMT
I think its a good movie
I rank it as the 6 best MCU movie
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Post by twothousandonemark on Apr 14, 2021 4:58:16 GMT
My #10 fav MCU film. Great fun & character origin story, nice bedrock for the MCU. Alas, it does fade a little with its lead villain & climactic sequence, almost like that scene was wedged in.
End of the day, it's a well polished movie with fun eye candy & action sequences. Is it wrong that Nick Fury's cameo is my fav moment?
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Post by Prime etc. on Apr 14, 2021 6:50:40 GMT
I think it works better in the second half when the score gets more traditional and the jokes slow down.
The rock music harms the early parts of the film.
Jeff Bridges is the best villain in the MCU.
"Tony Stark was able to build this in a caaaave with a box of scraps!"
When Stark has the heart attack and his mechanical arm gives him the old unit--that was a good scene--but the fight is kind of boring.
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Post by Downey on Apr 14, 2021 7:55:29 GMT
I think it works better in the second half when the score gets more traditional and the jokes slow down. The rock music harms the early parts of the film. Jeff Bridges is the best villain in the MCU. "Tony Stark was able to build this in a caaaave with a box of scraps!" When Stark has the heart attack and his mechanical arm gives him the old unit--that was a good scene--but the fight is kind of boring. I think the rock music adds to that Tony Stark hellraiser vibe it's his signature sound also known as something prime etc wouldn't understand in a million years. |
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Post by Power Ranger on Apr 14, 2021 13:00:45 GMT
I think it works better in the second half when the score gets more traditional and the jokes slow down. The rock music harms the early parts of the film. Jeff Bridges is the best villain in the MCU. "Tony Stark was able to build this in a caaaave with a box of scraps!" When Stark has the heart attack and his mechanical arm gives him the old unit--that was a good scene--but the fight is kind of boring. He’s a great villain and I also like Justin Hammer and Ivan from Iron Man 2. |
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Post by Power Ranger on Apr 14, 2021 13:02:01 GMT
I think it works better in the second half when the score gets more traditional and the jokes slow down. The rock music harms the early parts of the film. Jeff Bridges is the best villain in the MCU. "Tony Stark was able to build this in a caaaave with a box of scraps!" When Stark has the heart attack and his mechanical arm gives him the old unit--that was a good scene--but the fight is kind of boring. I think the rock music adds to that Tony Stark hellraiser vibe it's his signature sound also known as something prime etc wouldn't understand in a million years. It was good that Stark had that rock music motif that even The Avengers continued. Then Iron Man 3 dropped the ball and that was the end of that. |
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Post by ReyKahuka on Apr 14, 2021 14:16:01 GMT
I love all three flicks. I always read Tony as more of a James Bond type in the comics, but I've enjoyed RDJ's take. I also think the IM franchise has had the best villains. The complaint that superheroes often fight an evil version of themselves is proven true on multiple levels in this franchise. He literally fights another guy in an IM suit in the first one, another guy with an arc reactor (who takes control of a bunch of robots that are effectively lesser IM suits) and a guy whose body is a living weapon in the third. Moreover, the villains are all brilliant eccentrics like Tony; dark reflections of what Tony could have been had he chosen a different path.
The villains always have a motive more complex than wanting to rule the world, and more to the point, it's always personal. Each of the villains didn't just want to defeat Iron Man, they wanted to beat Tony. Even the #2 villain in IM 2 (played brilliantly by Sam Rockwell) meets all of these criteria despite being basically the comic relief henchman. And that's another great thing about IM2 that nobody seems to appreciate; Hammer thinks he's using Ivan as a henchman only to realize too late it's the other way around.
The Mandarin twist in IM 3 was genius. Set up the villain as a Bin Laden/Joker from TDK knockoff, only to find out he was a smokescreen for a very realistic villain of another kind: a war profiteer. Who again, is exactly the kind of guy Tony used to be before his incident in the desert.
The humor is consistent throughout the films, as is the heart underneath it all. Tony watching the outtakes of Howard's expo film in IM2 is still one of my favorite scenes in the MCU. From a technical standpoint, the effects hold up really well, and it's fun to see how primitive Tony's armor feels, even up to the first Avengers flick, compared to how it's evolved by the time we get to IW and Endgame. And the idea to showcase the charisma of RDJ inside the helmet and give the audience a glimpse of his view from the inside was another cinematic home run. Hell, Favreau fighting to cast RDJ is enormous. The MCU as we know it exists largely because everyone involved in the making of Iron Man gave their best possible effort in creating a quality film that could very easily have been a total mess.
Cap is my favorite MCU character, and TWS is my favorite MCU film overall. As a franchise-within-a-franchise however, the Iron Man films as a whole are the best of the solo adventures.
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Post by Power Ranger on Apr 14, 2021 14:33:48 GMT
I love all three flicks. I always read Tony as more of a James Bond type in the comics, but I've enjoyed RDJ's take. I also think the IM franchise has had the best villains. The complaint that superheroes often fight an evil version of themselves is proven true on multiple levels in this franchise. He literally fights another guy in an IM suit in the first one, another guy with an arc reactor (who takes control of a bunch of robots that are effectively lesser IM suits) and a guy whose body is a living weapon in the third. Moreover, the villains are all brilliant eccentrics like Tony; dark reflections of what Tony could have been had he chosen a different path. The villains always have a motive more complex than wanting to rule the world, and more to the point, it's always personal. Each of the villains didn't just want to defeat Iron Man, they wanted to beat Tony. Even the #2 villain in IM 2 (played brilliantly by Sam Rockwell) meets all of these criteria despite being basically the comic relief henchman. And that's another great thing about IM2 that nobody seems to appreciate; Hammer thinks he's using Ivan as a henchman only to realize too late it's the other way around. The Mandarin twist in IM 3 was genius. Set up the villain as a Bin Laden/Joker from TDK knockoff, only to find out he was a smokescreen for a very realistic villain of another kind: a war profiteer. Who again, is exactly the kind of guy Tony used to be before his incident in the desert. The humor is consistent throughout the films, as is the heart underneath it all. Tony watching the outtakes of Howard's expo film in IM2 is still one of my favorite scenes in the MCU. From a technical standpoint, the effects hold up really well, and it's fun to see how primitive Tony's armor feels, even up to the first Avengers flick, compared to how it's evolved by the time we get to IW and Endgame. And the idea to showcase the charisma of RDJ inside the helmet and give the audience a glimpse of his view from the inside was another cinematic home run. Hell, Favreau fighting to cast RDJ is enormous. The MCU as we know it exists largely because everyone involved in the making of Iron Man gave their best possible effort in creating a quality film that could very easily have been a total mess. Cap is my favorite MCU character, and TWS is my favorite MCU film overall. As a franchise-within-a-franchise however, the Iron Man films as a whole are the best of the solo adventures. The Mandarin twist was hardly genius. I know many people who think that Bin Laden was just a false flag for Dick Cheney to grab some oil. Mind you, most of them smoke their weight in dope every week. It was an irresponsible and downright stupid political statement. |
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Post by ReyKahuka on Apr 14, 2021 14:45:10 GMT
The Mandarin twist was hardly genius. I know many people who think that Bin Laden was just a false flag for Dick Cheney to grab some oil. Mind you, most of them smoke their weight in dope every week. It was an irresponsible and downright stupid political statement. I didn't see it as a political statement, just clever storytelling misdirection. I'd never heard that analogy before now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2021 15:01:23 GMT
I say it's a good movie but I actually havent rewatched it many times. Take that however you want
Superhero movies I have watched multiple times are: Batman Begins, Dark Knight, X2, X-Men First Class, Avengers 1, Guardians 1 and Infinity War
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Post by Prime etc. on Apr 14, 2021 15:02:39 GMT
I think the rock music adds to that Tony Stark hellraiser vibe it's his signature sound also known as something prime etc wouldn't understand in a million years. You are just ignorant of how music is used to generate excitement or suspense. It was a cheap scoring effort.
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Post by Power Ranger on Apr 14, 2021 15:03:36 GMT
The Mandarin twist was hardly genius. I know many people who think that Bin Laden was just a false flag for Dick Cheney to grab some oil. Mind you, most of them smoke their weight in dope every week. It was an irresponsible and downright stupid political statement. I didn't see it as a political statement, just clever storytelling misdirection. I'd never heard that analogy before now. I wish it wasn’t. But either way, I think that with or without Trevor, The Mandarin was intentionally made to be non-Asian, to get away from Fu Manchu styled Asian villains. And I think the Trevor twist may have been designed to make him not Muslim. So then they’re running out of options for the Mandarin’s origins with those two decisions. But attacking neo-cons? Oh yeah, you can do that. So they did opted for that. |
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Post by ReyKahuka on Apr 14, 2021 15:15:26 GMT
I didn't see it as a political statement, just clever storytelling misdirection. I'd never heard that analogy before now. I wish it wasn’t. But either way, I think that with or without Trevor, The Mandarin was intentionally made to be non-Asian, to get away from Fu Manchu styled Asian villains. And I think the Trevor twist may have been designed to make him not Muslim. So then they’re running out of options for the Mandarin’s origins with those two decisions. But attacking neo-cons? Oh yeah, you can do that. So they did opted for that. Oh yeah, he was definitely made to be white to avoid perceived cultural stereotyping; but he was also made into a Bin Laden type because that kind of terrorist was easily recognizable to audiences. And as I mentioned, the spooky speech patterns seemed like a wink at Joker from TDK. They were leading the audience one way, and then turned that trope on its head. I liked it. I don't see how Killian is supposed to be a neocon, especially when you consider how much he has in common with the villains in previous Iron Man films.
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Post by Downey on Apr 14, 2021 15:27:04 GMT
I think the rock music adds to that Tony Stark hellraiser vibe it's his signature sound also known as something prime etc wouldn't understand in a million years. You are just ignorant of how music is used to generate excitement or suspense. It was a cheap scoring effort.
No, it's to illustrate Tony Stark's personality who I would guess isn't into classical music, prime etc. |
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