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Post by Rissa on Apr 13, 2021 0:26:01 GMT
Another legend gone. 😭
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Post by Xeliou66 on Apr 13, 2021 0:30:13 GMT
He had a great career and was a key part of several Pats Super Bowl teams.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Apr 13, 2021 0:35:10 GMT
An all-time Patriots WR, very glad he didn't have to retire on a stretcher.
I don't think he'll get into the HOF unless there's a perfect storm of a voting year for his cause.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Apr 13, 2021 0:41:08 GMT
So he'll wait til his current contract expires and sign with Tampa?
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Post by Rissa on Apr 13, 2021 1:29:55 GMT
So he'll wait til his current contract expires and sign with Tampa? He failed his physical, so it sounds like he’s giving up. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 13, 2021 1:31:52 GMT
An all-time Patriots WR, very glad he didn't have to retire on a stretcher. I don't think he'll get into the HOF unless there's a perfect storm of a voting year for his cause. He didn't retire on a stretcher, but he is limping out of the league against his will. You know he'd still be playing if it were at all possible. My wife said, "Too bad his career couldn't end on his own terms." "Most of them don't," I replied. It's funny because numbers-wise he isn't Hall worthy, but as they say about the HOF in any sport, "Can you tell the story of the sport without including him?" You look at Edelman's contributions particularly in the Super Bowl, and I don't think you can. The game winning TD catch in SB 49 (and we know for a fact he was seriously concussed in that game, but we aren't supposed to say that because that means he shouldn't have been out there); The Catch in SB 51; MVP of Super Bowl 53, one of the weirdest, lowest scoring Super Bowls-- in the modern era no less). Truly a legendary player by any measure. If he isn't HOF worthy, we'll have to enjoy his Pats HOF induction ceremony that much more. He was a favorite of mine from his rookie year, glad he played his entire career here.
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Post by Winston Wolfe on Apr 13, 2021 1:49:11 GMT
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Post by Shane Falco on Apr 13, 2021 9:09:54 GMT
I'm not quoting things at this moment as I am too drunk.
Julian Edelman...is NOT a HOF. "Can you tell the story of the NFL without him?" My answer is easily YES. He was awesome just like Wes Welker was. Is Welker a HOF?
Is Desmond Howard in the HOF?
He was a SB MVP but you could easily omit him from history.
Guys can "trend" in today's culture from time to time. However they don't last the test if time.
Edelman was good but was he better than Hines Ward? Who apparently can't even get a glimpse of a HOF induction.
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Post by mtbg on Apr 13, 2021 9:17:57 GMT
I remember his rookie year, they played the Jets in week 2. It was the Jets home opener and I went to the game with a friend who was a season ticket holder. Wes Welker got hurt in week 1 and wasn't going to play. Then we see some Wes Welker clone kill them all day. Probably had around 10 catches for about 100 yards and seemingly all catches were 1st downs. Had never heard of him so looked him up in the program and it said he was a college QB.
Dude had a Hell of a career.
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Post by mtbg on Apr 13, 2021 9:20:29 GMT
I'm not quoting things at this moment as I am too drunk. Julian Edelman...is NOT a HOF. "Can you tell the story of the NFL without him?" My answer is easily YES. He was awesome just like Wes Welker was. Is Welker a HOF? Is Desmond Howard in the HOF? He was a SB MVP but you could easily omit him from history. Guys can "trend" in today's culture from time to time. However they don't last the test if time. Edelman was good but was he better than Hines Ward? Who apparently can't even get a glimpse of a HOF induction. Yeah, he was very good and had a Hell of a career. But to be in the Hall, to me anyways, you need to be one of the best at your position during the time you played. He was never one of the top WRs in the league. Like I said, very good player who had a great career, but not a HOFer.
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Post by Shane Falco on Apr 13, 2021 10:50:42 GMT
Agreed. Is he somebody that will be remembered in a certain circle? Yes.
He just isn't a guy who you think of in terms of best Wide Receivers.
I think of him like Jordy Nelson. Both were awesome. Both belong in the team HOF. Neither are true Hall of Famers.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 13, 2021 12:03:42 GMT
I'm not quoting things at this moment as I am too drunk. Julian Edelman...is NOT a HOF. "Can you tell the story of the NFL without him?" My answer is easily YES. He was awesome just like Wes Welker was. Is Welker a HOF? Is Desmond Howard in the HOF? He was a SB MVP but you could easily omit him from history. Guys can "trend" in today's culture from time to time. However they don't last the test if time. Edelman was good but was he better than Hines Ward? Who apparently can't even get a glimpse of a HOF induction. Welker has zero rings and zero Super Bowl MVPs (though both are Patriots legends). It's not even a serious question, Edelman's not a HOF. Nobody even argued that he was. But his contribution to NFL football is much greater than Desmond Howard. Howard was a journeyman kick returner with a lower yards/return average than Edelman-- and Edelman was also a highly effective starting receiver at the same time. You could easily omit Howard from history because that Packers team won one title; lots of teams win one title. Edelman was a key cog in a football dynasty that stretched throughout his entire career. He played in four Super Bowls (he was on the team for a fifth, but out with injury) and won three of them, providing one of the most iconic catches in Super Bowl history, in maybe the greatest Super Bowl ever played. He followed that up two years later with an MVP performance in yet another Super Bowl win. He's also thrown a TD pass in a playoff game for Christ's sake. He isn't a HOF player, but do the football gods a favor and don't ever mention Desmond Howard in the same breath as Edelman again.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Apr 13, 2021 12:20:43 GMT
I'm not quoting things at this moment as I am too drunk. Julian Edelman...is NOT a HOF. "Can you tell the story of the NFL without him?" My answer is easily YES. He was awesome just like Wes Welker was. Is Welker a HOF? Is Desmond Howard in the HOF? He was a SB MVP but you could easily omit him from history. Guys can "trend" in today's culture from time to time. However they don't last the test if time. Edelman was good but was he better than Hines Ward? Who apparently can't even get a glimpse of a HOF induction. Welker has zero rings and zero Super Bowl MVPs (though both are Patriots legends). It's not even a serious question, Edelman's not a HOF. Nobody even argued that he was. But his contribution to NFL football is much greater than Desmond Howard. Howard was a journeyman kick returner with a lower yards/return average than Edelman-- and Edelman was also a highly effective starting receiver at the same time. You could easily omit Howard from history because that Packers team won one title; lots of teams win one title. Edelman was a key cog in a football dynasty that stretched throughout his entire career. He played in four Super Bowls (he was on the team for a fifth, but out with injury) and won three of them, providing one of the most iconic catches in Super Bowl history, in maybe the greatest Super Bowl ever played. He followed that up two years later with an MVP performance in yet another Super Bowl win. He's also thrown a TD pass in a playoff game for Christ's sake. He isn't a HOF player, but do the football gods a favor and don't ever mention Desmond Howard in the same breath as Edelman again. Outside of Moss and Gronk, who was great that Brady threw to? Brady made slop look good and good players look great. Put Edelman on another team and it’d be barely a blurb on page 12 of the sports section that he’s retiring. Yeah he had great moments, but everyone did with Brady. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 13, 2021 12:44:56 GMT
Welker has zero rings and zero Super Bowl MVPs (though both are Patriots legends). It's not even a serious question, Edelman's not a HOF. Nobody even argued that he was. But his contribution to NFL football is much greater than Desmond Howard. Howard was a journeyman kick returner with a lower yards/return average than Edelman-- and Edelman was also a highly effective starting receiver at the same time. You could easily omit Howard from history because that Packers team won one title; lots of teams win one title. Edelman was a key cog in a football dynasty that stretched throughout his entire career. He played in four Super Bowls (he was on the team for a fifth, but out with injury) and won three of them, providing one of the most iconic catches in Super Bowl history, in maybe the greatest Super Bowl ever played. He followed that up two years later with an MVP performance in yet another Super Bowl win. He's also thrown a TD pass in a playoff game for Christ's sake. He isn't a HOF player, but do the football gods a favor and don't ever mention Desmond Howard in the same breath as Edelman again. Outside of Moss and Gronk, who was great that Brady threw to? Brady made slop look good and good players look great. Put Edelman on another team and it’d be barely a blurb on page 12 of the sports section that he’s retiring. Yeah he had great moments, but everyone did with Brady. Agreed, and Edelman knows it, which is why he never left New England. He's still a better player with a better NFL legacy than Desmond Howard.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Apr 13, 2021 12:49:36 GMT
Outside of Moss and Gronk, who was great that Brady threw to? Brady made slop look good and good players look great. Put Edelman on another team and it’d be barely a blurb on page 12 of the sports section that he’s retiring. Yeah he had great moments, but everyone did with Brady. Agreed, and Edelman knows it, which is why he never left New England. He's still a better player with a better NFL legacy than Desmond Howard. Well of course, there’s no doubt there. Howard would have been another forgotten Heisman winner if not for that one kickoff return in the Super Bowl. |
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Post by 尺ロㄈにモイ州凡几 on Apr 13, 2021 14:54:58 GMT
I’m going to play the devil’s advocate here. Dude did register three 1k receiving yard seasons, won three Super Bowls, and was Super Browl MVP. Sure, his number were never great, but if Eli Manning can get in because of a couple Super Bowl wins, then Edelman can.
I get that qbs and receivers are viewed differently, but I don’t think they should. Both are instrumental to a team’s success. If Edelman didn’t ball out in Super Bowl LIII the Pats wouldn’t win that game!
In the immortal words of Chuck Barkley: “I garuhntee it!”
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 13, 2021 15:56:49 GMT
I’m going to play the devil’s advocate here. Dude did register three 1k receiving yard seasons, won three Super Bowls, and was Super Browl MVP. Sure, his number were never great, but if Eli Manning can get in because of a couple Super Bowl wins, then Edelman can. I get that qbs and receivers are viewed differently, but I don’t think they should. Both are instrumental to a team’s success. If Edelman didn’t ball out in Super Bowl LIII the Pats wouldn’t win that game! In the immortal words of Chuck Barkley: “I garuhntee it!” He also completed 100% of his regular season passes. Seriously though, the numbers just aren't there. His accomplishments are impressive, but even his Super Bowl MVP he didn't have 4 TDs or something. He was a versatile player and a very good receiver who maximized his potential on a team of guys who maximized their potential with Brady. I stand by my earlier argument that he has woven himself into the narrative of the NFL by way of consistently memorable performances on the game's biggest stage, but I don't think that's how the HOF is decided.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Apr 13, 2021 16:04:31 GMT
I'd like to retire.
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Post by mtbg on Apr 13, 2021 16:23:29 GMT
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Post by mtbg on Apr 13, 2021 16:25:45 GMT
I’m going to play the devil’s advocate here. Dude did register three 1k receiving yard seasons, won three Super Bowls, and was Super Browl MVP. Sure, his number were never great, but if Eli Manning can get in because of a couple Super Bowl wins, then Edelman can. I get that qbs and receivers are viewed differently, but I don’t think they should. Both are instrumental to a team’s success. If Edelman didn’t ball out in Super Bowl LIII the Pats wouldn’t win that game! In the immortal words of Chuck Barkley: “I garuhntee it!” I don't think Eli should be in the Hall either but that's another story. 3 1K seasons isn't a lot. Eli does have better #'s compared to HOF QBs than Edelman's #'s compared to HOF WRs. I don't think either are HOFers but Eli has a much better argument imo.
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