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Post by Spitfire926f on Apr 22, 2021 13:49:42 GMT
I got locked up for 5 days in October-November 2019 for supposedly being a danger to myself. The reasons the power tripping doctor gave me were that I "wasn't showing emotion" and that I didn't talk to family. Bitch. I believe that often "mental illness" is used as an excuse to lock up nonconformists. It's a bit like a Chinese or old Soviet "reeducation" camp. You have to be deemed a threat to yourself or someone else to be put in a psychiatric hospital against your will. It requires a court order to keep you in one. That's why we have so many homeless, many are mentally ill that can't be managed by families or in group homes. That said, I've worked with some horrific psychiatrist that abused the insurance system by keeping people longer than they needed to, court order or no. |
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Post by Stammerhead on Apr 22, 2021 14:15:05 GMT
Some people don’t like spectrums and prefer it if some either is or isn’t. One of the interesting things about speech impediments is that we all have them to a certain degree but it’s only noticeable when it has a negative effect on the person’s ability to communicate. In the same way we all have personal quirks but they only become an issue if they have serious effects on their lives or the lives of other. My Dad was a stutterer as a child. As an adult, it was barely noticeable unless you knew his history. Once I know a famous person had a stammer I can notice the signs. Sam Neil mentioned his childhood stammer in an interview and suddenly certain pauses made sense. Slightly off topic I must say that I hate spotting a stupid typo after someone has replied to me. 
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Apr 22, 2021 14:17:19 GMT
Honey, you could have saved your money and just asked Dr Paul.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2021 14:42:00 GMT
It’s an axis II cluster B personality trait.
It is real.
The term Borderline is just a title.
It comes from the 1930s when early psychiatrists believed you were either suffering from psychosis or neurosis.
The term “borderline” meant you were in between. It was believed at the time neurosis was treatable and psychosis wasn’t treatable.
Nowadays, it’s just the title of a Personality Disorder on Axis II, in the same cluster with Narcissistic Personality Disorder, Histrionic Personality disorder etc...
Axis I Mood disorders and substance abuse disorders are treatable with therapy and medication combinations.
Whereas Personality disorders on Axis II are usually only treatable with therapy unless they are co-morbid with a secondary diagnosis such as “depression”, “anxiety” or some other mood disorder.
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Post by Nora on Apr 22, 2021 16:21:50 GMT
have you ever experienced that your impediment gets Stronger when someone a) knows about you having it and b) is trying to be Super patient and leans in/listens more intently? That happens to me all the time. The more I see on someone they are struggling to understand me AND are trying to quietly do their best to understand me (usually I can tell because they lean in and stare at my mouth) the worse I speak. I speak better with strangers who dont know about my impediment or friends who dont try so visibly to understand me. Wondering if anyone has a similar experience. It can get out of control if people pay too much attention or look uneasy but I’ve also had occasions when I’ve spoken in front of a group of people it is barely noticeable.] interestingly enough I speak best in front of large crowds. I underperform in private. Have been struggling with it for a while now, still unsure how to get rid of it completelly. And the moment I see someone aconowledge it by “listening/ trying harder” it always gets worse  )) |
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Post by gameboy on Apr 22, 2021 16:34:48 GMT
I believe that often "mental illness" is used as an excuse to lock up nonconformists. It's a bit like a Chinese or old Soviet "reeducation" camp. You have to be deemed a threat to yourself or someone else to be put in a psychiatric hospital against your will. It requires a court order to keep you in one. That's why we have so many homeless, many are mentally ill that can't be managed by families or in group homes. That said, I've worked with some horrific psychiatrist that abused the insurance system by keeping people longer than they needed to, court order or no. But there is also the patient's trust in their doctor or pressure from concerned family which may compel a person to be hospitalized. Once in, it's not easy to just walk out.
And I have to keep going back to this rather arrogant term "borderline personality". It's a rather "ableist" attack on a person's identity. That's why I liken it to "reeducation".
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Post by Spitfire926f on Apr 22, 2021 16:39:40 GMT
You have to be deemed a threat to yourself or someone else to be put in a psychiatric hospital against your will. It requires a court order to keep you in one. That's why we have so many homeless, many are mentally ill that can't be managed by families or in group homes. That said, I've worked with some horrific psychiatrist that abused the insurance system by keeping people longer than they needed to, court order or no. But there is also the patient's trust in their doctor or pressure from concerned family which may compel a person to be hospitalized. Once in, it's not easy to just walk out.
And I have to keep going back to this rather arrogant term "borderline personality". It's a rather "ableist" attack on a person's identity. That's why I liken it to "reeducation".
It's not like it once was. Mental health patients have a ton of rights, and I've seen people win their court hearings and walk. You are too hung up on the term borderline. That's why there's a move to rename it emotional dysregulation disorder. |
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Post by gameboy on Apr 22, 2021 16:45:05 GMT
But there is also the patient's trust in their doctor or pressure from concerned family which may compel a person to be hospitalized. Once in, it's not easy to just walk out.
And I have to keep going back to this rather arrogant term "borderline personality". It's a rather "ableist" attack on a person's identity. That's why I liken it to "reeducation".
It's not like it once was. Mental health patients have a ton of rights, and I've seen people win their court hearings and walk. You are too hung up on the term borderline. That's why there's a move to rename it emotional dysregulation disorder. I support that change.
I admit I'm not too savvy on mental health issues. I'm a businessman, not a doctor. 
But this term "borderline personality" sounds like a throwback which needs to be eliminated.
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Post by dirtypillows on Apr 22, 2021 17:59:33 GMT
You see. I labeled it immediately and identically without ever reading the scientific literature. It's a theoretical "concept".
I'm saying it may describe very real traits in a person. But to dismiss it as "borderline" is very pretentious on the part of these so-called experts.
Own your personality. Don't let anyone take it from you. I can see just by reading you online that you're a very unique and interesting individual.
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Post by autumn on Apr 22, 2021 19:09:44 GMT
It's not like it once was. Mental health patients have a ton of rights, and I've seen people win their court hearings and walk. You are too hung up on the term borderline. That's why there's a move to rename it emotional dysregulation disorder. I support that change.
I admit I'm not too savvy on mental health issues. I'm a businessman, not a doctor.
But this term "borderline personality" sounds like a throwback which needs to be eliminated. So it's the same thing, but with a different label, and then you're okay with it. As long as the label changes. It's still the same symptoms being treatment and it would still require the same CBT to help treat. But as long as the label changes it's okay? The new phrase may more accurately represent what's happening within the patient, but bottom line is that....it's the same thing.
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Post by gameboy on Apr 22, 2021 19:49:52 GMT
I support that change.
I admit I'm not too savvy on mental health issues. I'm a businessman, not a doctor.
But this term "borderline personality" sounds like a throwback which needs to be eliminated. So it's the same thing, but with a different label, and then you're okay with it. As long as the label changes. It's still the same symptoms being treatment and it would still require the same CBT to help treat. But as long as the label changes it's okay? The new phrase may more accurately represent what's happening within the patient, but bottom line is that....it's the same thing. The label gives us a clue to the theory of these head doctors. Remember, they themselves admit it's a theoretical "construct". How they approach the patient with respect for their individuality is important.
Are they self righteous pedants who believe people who don't conform to their expectations are only "borderline" people with "borderline" personalities and "borderline" rights? Or will they treat them with respect and dignity, and not as square pegs to be shoved in round holes?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2021 20:00:38 GMT
So it's the same thing, but with a different label, and then you're okay with it. As long as the label changes. It's still the same symptoms being treatment and it would still require the same CBT to help treat. But as long as the label changes it's okay? The new phrase may more accurately represent what's happening within the patient, but bottom line is that....it's the same thing. The label gives us a clue to the theory of these head doctors. Remember, they themselves admit it's a theoretical "construct". How they approach the patient with respect for their individuality is important.
Are they self righteous pedants who believe people who don't conform to their expectations are only "borderline" people with "borderline" personalities and "borderline" rights? Or will they treat them with respect and dignity, and not as square pegs to be shoved in round holes?
They changed “Multiple Personality Disorder” to “Dissociative Identity Disorder” because of the same reasoning. As an LMHC I’m okay with the change of outdated terms. |
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Post by Admin on Apr 22, 2021 20:13:44 GMT
Borderline to what? The whole concept is rather specious.
Personalities just are, they exist or they don't, they don't hover on a border.
Reject that over conceptualized theoretical hokum and you'll be free. Many mental health professionals call it a misnomer. It doesn't mean a literal borderline as if someone with BPD is teetering between having and not having a disorder. It is a so-called personality disorder, and it's name is Borderline. But if you must think of it that way, think of it as perpetually being on the borderline between guilt and denial. A word of advice to anyone considering a relationship with BPD: Don't. Run as fast as you can to put as much distance between you and them as humanly possible and never look back.
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Post by Spitfire926f on Apr 22, 2021 20:20:15 GMT
Borderline to what? The whole concept is rather specious.
Personalities just are, they exist or they don't, they don't hover on a border.
Reject that over conceptualized theoretical hokum and you'll be free. Many mental health professionals call it a misnomer. It doesn't mean a literal borderline as if someone with BPD is teetering between having and not having a disorder. It is a so-called personality disorder, and it's name is Borderline. But if you must think of it that way, think of it as perpetually being on the borderline between guilt and denial. A word of advice to anyone considering a relationship with BPD: Don't. Run as fast as you can to put as much distance between you and them as humanly possible and never look back. People can recover with it. And it tends to diminish with age for some people. |
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Post by Admin on Apr 22, 2021 20:24:16 GMT
Many mental health professionals call it a misnomer. It doesn't mean a literal borderline as if someone with BPD is teetering between having and not having a disorder. It is a so-called personality disorder, and it's name is Borderline. But if you must think of it that way, think of it as perpetually being on the borderline between guilt and denial. A word of advice to anyone considering a relationship with BPD: Don't. Run as fast as you can to put as much distance between you and them as humanly possible and never look back. People can recover with it. And it tends to diminish with age for some people. Sure, they can, but they don't. The problem with treating BPD is found in its very nature, for those with BPD deny having anything to be recovered from. It's not them, it's "everyone else." I've been told it's virtually impossible to treat because they're either unable or unwilling to take the very first step.
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Post by Spitfire926f on Apr 22, 2021 20:31:38 GMT
People can recover with it. And it tends to diminish with age for some people. Sure, they can, but they don't. The problem with treating BPD is found in its very nature, for those with BPD deny having anything to be recovered from. It's not them, it's "everyone else." I've been told it's virtually impossible to treat because they're either unable or unwilling to take the very first step. That is often the case, but not always. If they put the work into outpatient therapy, they can recover. |
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Post by ebony on Apr 22, 2021 20:35:57 GMT
Borderline to what? The whole concept is rather specious.
Personalities just are, they exist or they don't, they don't hover on a border.
Reject that over conceptualized theoretical hokum and you'll be free. Many mental health professionals call it a misnomer. It doesn't mean a literal borderline as if someone with BPD is teetering between having and not having a disorder. It is a so-called personality disorder, and it's name is Borderline. But if you must think of it that way, think of it as perpetually being on the borderline between guilt and denial. A word of advice to anyone considering a relationship with BPD: Don't. Run as fast as you can to put as much distance between you and them as humanly possible and never look back. I'm in a wonderful relationship, thank you very much.
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Post by Admin on Apr 22, 2021 20:37:45 GMT
Sure, they can, but they don't. The problem with treating BPD is found in its very nature, for those with BPD deny having anything to be recovered from. It's not them, it's "everyone else." I've been told it's virtually impossible to treat because they're either unable or unwilling to take the very first step. That is often the case, but not always. If they put the work into outpatient therapy, they can recover. The problem is getting them into therapy, and an even bigger problem is keeping them there. Even at that, I imagine it would take forever and a day just to get past arguing about whether or not they even need it. The adamant denial regarding literally anything that makes them feel even the slightest degree of guilt or shame or accountability is what prevents them from getting the help we think they need.
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Post by Admin on Apr 22, 2021 20:38:45 GMT
Many mental health professionals call it a misnomer. It doesn't mean a literal borderline as if someone with BPD is teetering between having and not having a disorder. It is a so-called personality disorder, and it's name is Borderline. But if you must think of it that way, think of it as perpetually being on the borderline between guilt and denial. A word of advice to anyone considering a relationship with BPD: Don't. Run as fast as you can to put as much distance between you and them as humanly possible and never look back. I'm in a wonderful relationship, thank you very much. No offense, but if you have BPD, it's only a matter of time before your partner disagrees if he doesn't already.
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Post by Spitfire926f on Apr 22, 2021 20:48:47 GMT
I'm in a wonderful relationship, thank you very much. No offense, but if you have BPD, it's only a matter of time before your partner disagrees if he doesn't already. Ebony only has traits, and she's put a lot of work into therapy. She's maintained the same job and is even getting a master's degree. I'd say her future is bright because she's a survivor and not a victim. It sounds like you've had some up-close and personal experience with a BPD. It's unfair to judge everyone by that experience. Two people can have the same psychiatric diagnosis but very different outcomes. |
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